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Old 09-27-2019, 07:23 PM
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BMW X5 Leaking Liquid

My BMW X5 2013 now has a problem, again. It drives o.k, but leaking liquid, may not be engine oil but power train liquid. The leaking is slow but continuous.

I first checked it at Autobahn, Tracy. In less than 15 minutes, the technician give me a list of the following leaks:
Oil Pan Gasket Leaking;
Front Diff Seals Leaking;
Cam Sensor Leaking;
Cam Solenoids Leaking;
Turbo Oil Supply and Return Line Leaking;
Oil Filter Hosing Gasket Leaking;
Oil Cooler Gasket Leaking;
Valve Cover May Have Crack Due to Leak;
PCV Breaking Hose Leaking Oil;
Power Steering Rack Leaking;
Driver Side Charge Pipe Leaking at Interlooper
He said for a low mileage car (60k), these are unusual. He estimates it costs over $5000 and needs over a week to fix.

I then visit SpeeDee Oil Change at Tracy. Their diagnostics is “Possible Valve Cover Gasket Leak”. But my Valve Cover Gasket was replaced about two years ago at a BMW dealer.
SpeeDee does not do European cars.

Then I have the car checked at Meineke Car Care Center of Tracy. It took 30-40 minutes for the technician to check and they found “ Rack + Pinion Hose Leaking”, “Lower Rack + Pinion Line Leaking.” The technician decided it is not a gasket leak problem and the leak of power train liquid is slow. But they are yet to give me an estimate.

I would appreciate any comments on the above.
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Old 09-27-2019, 07:34 PM
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That is a lot to diagnose in just 15 minutes. The other two places are no place to have a BMW looked at. I would be suspicious of the Autobahn diagnosis. If a shop were to give me a diagnosis with that many specific areas I would be personally inspecting each one after wiping down and cleaning each of the areas. That’s a lot of work to blindly accept.


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Old 09-27-2019, 07:44 PM
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That is a lot to diagnose in just 15 minutes. The other two places are no place to have a BMW looked at. I would be suspicious of the Autobahn diagnosis. If a shop were to give me a diagnosis with that many specific areas I would be personally inspecting each one after wiping down and cleaning each of the areas. That’s a lot of work to blindly accept.


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Old 09-27-2019, 07:49 PM
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Check your engine mounts. I had a slow leak that eventually got worse and more noticeable.
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Old 09-27-2019, 08:19 PM
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Check your engine mounts. I had a slow leak that eventually got worse and more noticeable.
Engine mounts if undetected can def reek havoc! Good point.

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Old 09-27-2019, 08:25 PM
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Engine mounts if undetected can def reek havoc! Good point.

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That long list is a lot to pin on engine mounts.


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That long list is a lot to pin on engine mounts.


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Agreed. Never said I was pinning all of it on the mounts. OP needs to put her up in the air, get a light and another set of eyes on it. And some rags...

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Old 09-27-2019, 08:47 PM
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Agreed. Never said I was pinning all of it on the mounts. OP needs to put her up in the air, get a light and another set of eyes on it. And some rags...

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Yeah. I know you weren’t putting it all on the mounts. The list from Autobahn is a dream for whoever makes money. No shop is that good in 15 minutes. A lot of it is DIY stuff to check and replace if OP is up for it.


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Yeah. I know you weren’t putting it all on the mounts. The list from Autobahn is a dream for whoever makes money. No shop is that good in 15 minutes. A lot of it is DIY stuff to check and replace if OP is up for it.


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Old 09-27-2019, 09:10 PM
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Thanks for your comments.
The Meineke place is done by a technician about 50 years old. He is kind of serious.
He mounted the car and took off the pan, used a light to examine and let me take a
look at it (unfortunately, I am a layman!). I saw the leaked liquid at where he points
and that position (driver-side near the wheel) is what the leak comes from. (I put a paper
sheet to receive the leak).
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Old 09-27-2019, 09:16 PM
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The other place is call "European Car Care". They charge $110 for diagnostics and there
is a long line for an appointment. I do not want to fix everywhere that's not leaking, as
the Autobahn guy claimed. I just want to fix where it leaks for a BMW X5, with only 60k.
Is that reasonable or I am wrong, as a layman.
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Old 09-28-2019, 12:28 AM
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Ugggh, what a mess.

You are trying to protect yourself, but since you dont have any knowledge, it is very very hard. You are trying to use hints, how old the guy is or how long it takes them, in order to evaluate their honesty and competence.

Try to find a recommenced shop in the Tracy area. I heard some poor things about AUtobahn in the past, BTW. Is East Bay the nearest dealer still? Im guessing them or valley in modesto?

You might start a new thread- or do a search here- "anyone recommend a shop in Tracy?"

(you can ignore people telling you to jack it up and look....)

I'll look tomorrow, see if I can find anyone to recommend.
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Old 09-28-2019, 07:30 AM
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Oil Pan Gasket Leaking;
Front Diff Seals Leaking;
Cam Sensor Leaking;
Cam Solenoids Leaking;
Turbo Oil Supply and Return Line Leaking;
Oil Filter Hosing Gasket Leaking;
Oil Cooler Gasket Leaking;
Valve Cover May Have Crack Due to Leak;
PCV Breaking Hose Leaking Oil;
Power Steering Rack Leaking;
Driver Side Charge Pipe Leaking at Interlooper





Get the car detailed and professionally cleaned from below, maybe a steam clean.

Then go to Carmax and wash your hands of it

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Old 09-28-2019, 07:33 AM
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Thanks for your comments.
The Meineke place is done by a technician about 50 years old. He is kind of serious.
He mounted the car and took off the pan, used a light to examine and let me take a
look at it (unfortunately, I am a layman!). I saw the leaked liquid at where he points
and that position (driver-side near the wheel) is what the leak comes from. (I put a paper
sheet to receive the leak).
I'm not sure what your leak looks like but here are two pics of what I was looking at when my passenger side engine mount failed.


***Sorry the pics got flipped around after posting.
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Old 09-28-2019, 12:44 PM
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Which Car Repair should I trust?

Thanks Ard. You are nice to comment on my
problems. Unfortunately, I had bad experiance
with both the Concord BMW and the East Bay BMW.
The Concord BMW took my car for the last warrantee
repair two years ago and replaced my Valve Cover
Gasket. But they made a pipe leaking problem which
took three visits to fix.
The East Bay BMW messed up my GPS by replacing
a recall airbag. It took them another three visits to
fix it.
Should I took the car to the European Car Care for
a $110 diagnostics (They look knowledgable.), Or
I could stay with the Meineke guy, waiting for their
quote ("Rack + Pinion Hose Leaking" and "Lower
Rack + Pinion Line Leaking"), if reasonable, give
the job to them?

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Old 09-28-2019, 01:55 PM
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BlueDevil Power Steering Stop Leak

After some research, I found a possible alternative to fix the problem.
There is a product at the local Auto Parts Store called "BlueDevil Power Steering
Stop Leak", supposedly to be poured into the Power Steering Reservoir, as
shown in the attached picture. It is supposed to stop small leaks.
I checked the reservoir, the liquid level is kind of low. (But the measuring
stick still has some liquid at the tip.) This may match with the Meineke
Technician's diagnostics of "Rack + Pinion Hose Leaking."
Could anybody give me some idea on this alternative? If it does not
work, then a parts replacement has to be done.
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Old 09-28-2019, 01:58 PM
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Power Steering Liquid

On the picture of reservoir, it says:" CHF 11 S Only". It is a powering steering
liquid used by BMW.
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Old 09-28-2019, 03:12 PM
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Don’t use stop leak products. They might end up ruining your pump and clogging areas that shouldn’t clog. Not worth the risk. Fix it right. The power steering reservoir is know to leak a bit from the top. Maybe that’s why it is low. Fill it with proper Pentosin CHF 11S.


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Steering gear is expensive and lots of labour. The power steering system operates at very high pressure. Some sweating (not dripping) at a connection or seal is no big deal imho, and does not validate a big job, nor snake oil additives.

I would clean suspect areas, top up the fluid and monitor for a while. You can reverse the o ring in the cap to try to seal the reservoir cap off better.


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Old 10-01-2019, 08:32 PM
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What I would do before I invested any dollars is to have the engine compartment(engine & trans) thoroughly cleaned, upper and lower, and then after a week of driving, have it checked. You will then be able to determine more precisely where your leak or leaks are coming from.
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What I would do before I invested any dollars is to have the engine compartment(engine & trans) thoroughly cleaned, upper and lower, and then after a week of driving, have it checked. You will then be able to determine more precisely where your leak or leaks are coming from.


Don’t have it professionally cleaned. Do it yourself. Understand the areas where the leaks may be occurring. Clean them and then inspect.


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I've not had any of those issues other than an oil pan gasket replaced on the 2013 X5M. I have my oil changed at 5k mile intervals at BMW on all.
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That's good advice, hopefully he has what it takes to clean upper and lower areas so he ca determine exactly where his leaks are!1
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Old 10-02-2019, 08:54 PM
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If you go to a BMW dealer and ask them to tell you everything wrong with a car that is 6 years old, how many pages do you think it would take to list everything they found?
The question is do you want to find and fix a leak or fix every seal that is not performing at its max. Check your reservoirs and fill what is low.
What is the nature of this "power train" fluid, is it thin like oil, thick like gear oil, and what does it smell like?
I'm just saying keep it as simple as you can, it is easy to over complicate stuff here sometimes.
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It is power steering liquid

Thanks for your advise. It is power steering liquid and the reservoir is low.
I filled it and continue to monitor it, as many advised.
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