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Old 05-31-2019, 02:35 PM
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Might buy the M340I xDrive tomorrow

Hi there Bimmerphiles. Newbie here for some answers and a little advice.

I've been looking around and think this new 2020 M340I xDrive may light my fire. Firstly, I intend to pay cash, no trade in. I'm somewhat spoiled as my "big car" is a 2016 S550 (wife's primary driver). I'm coming out of a 2006 Acura A-spec SH-AWD (I keep cars at least ten years so I try to buy something I think I can live with at least that long). Both handle well.

While looking around I really liked the 2019 M550 but just couldn't stand the depreciation the S550 is experiencing. So I kept looking and found a local dealer that has a well equipped M340 for me to test drive tomorrow. The salesman sent me a copy of a page called a Vehicle Inquiry Design/MSRP and it says the car is a "203Z M340xi".

Is that a G20?
What should I look for/at that might not be obvious?
What are the 1PM 19" double spoke bi-color jet black wheels? The picture they have on their website looks great but I didn't find it on the BMW build website. They come with 258 run-flats. I haven't found a discussion about this pkg.

Thanks for any guidance anyone can provide.

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Old 06-01-2019, 11:35 PM
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Yes, that would be a G20. 203Z is the internal model code for the M340i xDrive (203Q for the rwd version). The build site is glitchy. Do a Google search for the G20 ordering guide as well as pics of the various wheels.
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Old 06-02-2019, 04:30 AM
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I diverted to look at a Macan but couldn't find one with many options. Is it too much to have front seat ventilation and ACC?
Then a fully equipped A6 hit the radar as it's next door to the Porsche place. It's been on the lot over 200 days. Hmmmm...

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Old 06-02-2019, 10:15 AM
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Whatever you settle on, be aware that cash buyers get the WORST deal. First, many models (though not the M340i AFAIK) have rebates / discounts / trunk money / conquest cash provided by the captive finance company. You get those if you lease or buy; if you pay cash you don't.

Second, financing / leasing is another profit center for the dealership. You will likely find them more eager to sharpen their pencils and deal if you finance, even a minimum amount. (Might be $5,000, might be more, might be less). To maximize your negotiating leverage, finance hte minimum, then pay the loan off in 90 days. There is no pre-payment penalty, but the dealership takes a hit if you don't make 3 payments before paying off the note.

Since you have eclectic tastes, you may also want to check out an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio and a Tesla Model 3 Performance.

Finally, if you love the M340i, you should consider having one built to your exact specifications, and picking it up via European Delivery. When you opt for ED, you can buy from any dealer, anywhere in the country, which gives you phenomenal negotiating leverage. For example, you could live in Philadelphia but deal ewith Greg Poland at Pacific BMW in CA, and likely get a much better deal than buying local.
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Old 06-04-2019, 01:30 AM
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Thanks for your advice. It's beyond my math skills to figure out how much a dealer and lender ultimately make or how much money actually comes out of a car owners pocket over the years of ownership. So, I count on picking a reliable car I'm willing to drive for a long time to beat what I believe to be the biggest costs - financing and depreciation. Of course, all the numbers are severely affected by maintenance costs.

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Old 06-04-2019, 07:31 AM
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Wait

I would wait several more months until they fix the bugs in electronics. Also, the profit margins are huge, but if you can 7-8% off and no dealer fee your doing ok
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I would wait several more months until they fix the bugs in electronics. Also, the profit margins are huge, but if you can 7-8% off and no dealer fee your doing ok
Which would tie in perfectly with European Delivery
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:28 PM
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I would wait several more months until they fix the bugs in electronics.
Can you be more specific or provide a link to a discussion of these problems.

Thanks, I may drive one this Saturday.
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Old 06-05-2019, 05:40 PM
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I may have a lemon, but I have seen comments elsewhere. Basically in my car the electronics are messed up. There have been 4 factory software fixes since April that I know of. Other people have had problems in X5 with the cameras and the rain. The car s are smarter when they work but when you are driving on the highway doing 65 in the rain and suddenly the car starts braking, not the best of feelings. Of course u can give it gas and overrides it. This install was pretty typical of BMWs reputation regarding electronics. Eventually most get fixed which is why they say to never buy the first year unless u have no choice.
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Old 06-06-2019, 01:37 AM
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Your advice not to buy a "first year" car is certainly sound. But, nowadays, vehicle electronics change yearly. We will be living a world of updates for a long time.

I'm still getting used to assisted driving in my Benz. Automatic cruise control braking can be distracting when other drivers cut me off. Using the gas pedal to override the braking gets interesting as the car try's to take back control when my foot comes off the pedal. Stray over a side line and the braking and steering wheel shaking can be annoying . And my copilot/wife gets frazzled when the blind spot assist screams out the presence of a car next to me as I turn on the blinker to change lanes. But that stuff is supposed to save our rearends under a variety of circumstances.

I'm more interested in the quality and reliability of the hardware as long as it can accept software updates. For example, the new Jeep Wranglers had steering issues fixed by updating software! Nowadays, the battery is the first suspect when anything looks or acts funky. I keep thinking a solid vehicle from the sixties is the way to go but the new shiny stuff beckons.
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Old 06-06-2019, 05:54 AM
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I may have a lemon, but I have seen comments elsewhere. Basically in my car the electronics are messed up. There have been 4 factory software fixes since April that I know of. Other people have had problems in X5 with the cameras and the rain. The car s are smarter when they work but when you are driving on the highway doing 65 in the rain and suddenly the car starts braking, not the best of feelings. Of course u can give it gas and overrides it. This install was pretty typical of BMWs reputation regarding electronics. Eventually most get fixed which is why they say to never buy the first year unless u have no choice.
Sorry to say it, but you got a lemon. I have a first year G30 and the car has been bullet proof for 45,000 miles, other than the A/C software reprogramming. That affected many/most G30's, and Bimmerfest was overflowing with thread after thread of complaints. OTOH your problem is exceedingly rare, and I have yet to see another owner/lessor reporting the same problems on here.

Which is not to denigrate your problem nor your satisfaction with your particular lemon. But first model year cars don't have to be avoided like the plague.

OP, in today's world you will find that auto manufacturer's don't even wait for a new model year to make changes; they push them out on an ongoing basis. Tesla leads the way in this area with over the air (OTA) updates for everything. BMW still requires some cars to be reprogrammed in the dealership, but some functions can be updated OTA (like navigation maps).
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Wrong wrong wrong

We are talking about different vehicles and different versions of software. Please read post more carefully.
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Old 06-06-2019, 05:16 PM
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I have zero problem with reading comprehension. Perhaps you do, as you've missed my point. There were common (if not universal) problems with the first year G20's, with scores of owners complaining here. On BF. Not a lone owner saying "i hear other folks have a problem, too". If the symptoms you describe were endemic to the G20, there would be a chorus of other G20 owners on here saying "Me, too!".

And your comment about avoiding a first-model-year BMW at any cost? As the owner of another first-year-BMW (several, in fact, over the years) I am refuting your blanket statement for hte benefit of hte OP.

You have a lemon. It happens. You may not like it but there it is. I have complete faith in BMW to make things right for you, whether by a PUMA case or a buy-back, just like htey have for hundreds of other 'Festers. You are frustrated, and you have a right to be negative. Just as I have a right to post my experience for the non-BMW-owning OP.
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Old 06-09-2019, 06:45 PM
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You guys have helped shine the reality light on this new car. I know I should wait a few months but it seems Ive already waited forever. Thats too much drama for sure. That sentiment would evaporate within the first few seconds of a malfunction. Best to chill a little and wait for some specific M340 news and the inevitable updates/fixes.
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:26 AM
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You guys have helped shine the reality light on this new car. I know I should wait a few months but it seems I've already waited forever. That's too much drama for sure. That sentiment would evaporate within the first few seconds of a malfunction. Best to chill a little and wait for some specific M340 news and the inevitable updates/fixes.
I felt like I had to wait forever to get my new 330i. BMW extended the lease on my 4 series twice because it was released so late. I ordered it the second day after BMW opened the configuration in the US. Which means, I probably have one of the first production run vehicles. I even had to wait an extra month to pick it up at the Performance Delivery Center.

I have ~2,000 miles on the car and I have had 1 problem. It turned out to be a faulty alternator, a defective part. My service department quickly found it and replaced the part. There have been no software problems.

That one problem has not diminished the joy of having the new 3 series in the least. I say go for it.

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where are you? id recommend using a broker or a high volume dealer who its just in it to push metal. i can recommend one of each if you need
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Old 06-22-2019, 04:00 PM
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Your advice not to buy a "first year" car is certainly sound. But, nowadays, vehicle electronics change yearly. We will be living a world of updates for a long time.
Very good point
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Very good point
Updates are more frequent than that. My car is only two months old and when I had it in for service (media collection problem) they applied two software patches.
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I don't agree with the blanket to avoid first-year new model cars. My April 2017 G29 540iX was a very early first year G20, has been flawless except for a faulty emissions control sensor. The G20 was a huge improvement over the F10 and has been a joy to drive.
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The person who wrote the last post about their 540 is more Xiong apples and oranges, the problem is with the technology. Your car is like a Ford Model T compared to the G20. If you have a G20 with no problems yet, you are lucky
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The person who wrote the last post about their 540 is more Xiong apples and oranges, the problem is with the technology. Your car is like a Ford Model T compared to the G20. If you have a G20 with no problems yet, you are lucky
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