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Old 07-19-2018, 09:06 AM
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Excess Oil Consumption -Class Action Settlement N63

I received notification this week of the class action settlement for model year 2009 - 2014 BMW vehicles with N63 engine. If your vehicle falls in this category check out the link below. I routinely had to add a quart of oil between scheduled oil services. The dealer at one point told me this was normal. Turns out that's not the case...

https://www.bangclasssettlement.com/Home/portalid/0
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Old 07-19-2018, 05:34 PM
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Does this apply to the S63T motor also?

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Old 07-19-2018, 07:50 PM
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Check the link and the page for "Frequently Asked Questions" and under "what cars?" it has a chart of Year and Model's affected.
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Old 07-22-2018, 06:56 AM
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Check the link and the page for "Frequently Asked Questions" and under "what cars?" it has a chart of Year and Model's affected.
So, my car falls into the production date range (built 3/12), but it's an F13 M6 with the S63T motor. However that engine is based on the N63, and unless they changed the oil pump for the S-motor, I'm screwed.

Looks like I'll be calling tomorrow to see what the deal is.
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Old 07-24-2018, 12:15 PM
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I need some help here. I had the N63 service package performed in 2015. My car, like others, regularly takes oil between changes. Not just 1 quart either -- I'd say 3 quarts on average. So it burns significant oil (BMW synthetic).

I just rec'd the class action notice. My car happens to be in for service and I asked to have an oil consumption test done. Response? "Well, the way we do that is we need to do an oil change first, so we can verify that the oil in your car is the correct oil." Seriously? That's ridiculous. Why? Because when my car burns excessive oil, I roll into the dealership service dept. and THEY "top off the fluids for free" -- and don't make ANY record of when they do this.

So my questions are:
- Are Oil Consumption Tests available for free?
- Are Oil Consumption Tests available without having an oil change?
- Is what the dealer is telling me accurate?

I am very interested in going through the steps required to determine if I'm eligible for engine replacement.
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Old 07-24-2018, 04:54 PM
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Hey, I was having the same problem. I'm also a member on bimmerPost. I seen a post on their forms about this same problem. I few guys were saying go to I high weight which I did(5w40) and my hasn't burned any oil. I'm using liquid Molly.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:49 AM
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Hey, I was having the same problem. I'm also a member on bimmerPost. I seen a post on their forms about this same problem. I few guys were saying go to I high weight which I did(5w40) and my hasn't burned any oil. I'm using liquid Molly.
I hear you but that goes to show you that there is a problem. Unfortunately the word I am getting is that the dealers won't be able to any of the agreed to settlement work until the deal is finalized. I am hearing around September. In the meantime, keep all receipts for the oil, towing, etc that is related to the oil consumption issue and submit for reimbursement. Instructions is in the documents received from the attorneys. I've made 2 trips so far to the dealer for checks and adding oil.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:55 AM
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I need some help here. I had the N63 service package performed in 2015. My car, like others, regularly takes oil between changes. Not just 1 quart either -- I'd say 3 quarts on average. So it burns significant oil (BMW synthetic).

I just rec'd the class action notice. My car happens to be in for service and I asked to have an oil consumption test done. Response? "Well, the way we do that is we need to do an oil change first, so we can verify that the oil in your car is the correct oil." Seriously? That's ridiculous. Why? Because when my car burns excessive oil, I roll into the dealership service dept. and THEY "top off the fluids for free" -- and don't make ANY record of when they do this.

So my questions are:
- Are Oil Consumption Tests available for free?
- Are Oil Consumption Tests available without having an oil change?
- Is what the dealer is telling me accurate?

I am very interested in going through the steps required to determine if I'm eligible for engine replacement.
The oil consumption test is done for free once the settlement is complete. You will get a notice or follow up on the class action web page around September 10. After that, you can schedule your testing and if it fail, you will be eligible for the the replacement. At this point, you will be getting the same N63 motor anyway so look for this problem to occur again when you hit around that 50 - 70K mark.
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The oil consumption test protocol is at www.NewTIS.info
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:39 PM
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The oil consumption test is done for free once the settlement is complete. You will get a notice or follow up on the class action web page around September 10. After that, you can schedule your testing and if it fail, you will be eligible for the replacement. At this point, you will be getting the same N63 motor anyway so look for this problem to occur again when you hit around that 50 - 70K mark.
Thanks. I will wait until that time then to do the test.

According to the class action settlement terms, you have to fail 2 oil consumption tests and BMW must be unable to fix the problem after the second failed test.

As described to me, the failed test involves a lot of acrobatics, including going to the dealership when the engine oil is low for the dealership to document the level (shouldn't this be coded?).

Because engine replacement cost is tied to mileage, I'm interested in starting the process sooner rather than later. If they can fix it, great. If not, I'm not eager to be penalized and pushed into a more costly replacement category based on mileage -- which is based on mileage *after* the repair attempt *following* the second failure.

I am also told that a new Customer Care package was being announced to try to address oil consumption. This suggests BMW may proactively be trying to avoid the failures. The class action settlement only requires that the prior N63 Customer Care Package be performed, not the new package, although that package will presumably be part of the "repairs" to address the consumption issue.
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Old 08-01-2018, 05:27 AM
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This is why BMW is becoming the brand of crap. Beautiful cars but disappointing mechanics. I recently had to add a quart and then this past weekend I checked the oil measuring and found that it was dropping again. Never had this problem until they did the N63 customer recall last year. I was adding a quart between oil changes but think nothing of it because as others have stated, the answer from BMW was that it was normal because of the new parts and should stop. It didn't. I am suppose to bring the car in next week for the oil consumption test but we all know how that is going to go. For a car of this caliber this is really disappointing and says something about BMW and the path thy are taking. MY SA also told me BMW is now screwing the dealers because the new engine if replaced was drastically cut to.........$3800!!! My SA have 12 already boxed up ready to ship out for replacements and suspect mine will be the same. All this while they wait for the other recall to replace the auxiliary water pump. I actually went and test drove the new Panamera this weekend. As soon as my car is fixed, in it goes for trade. No need dealing with inferior engineering at this price anymore. Even folks at the dealer advising staying away from the new 850 until the test subjects help BMW fix the bugs that they seem to be expecting. That says it all and the confidence in the brand.
I couldn't agree with you more. Not only am I adding oil between scheduled oil services, the recalls and other major problems are pervasive throughout the year. From my perspective, this is not a reliable vehicle by any standard.
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Old 08-06-2018, 01:19 PM
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Folks, those of you with one of the affected vehicles in the class action settlement might want to look through the proposed settlement and submit an objection because this problem, excess oil consumption, will impact you. I'm submitting an objection to the settlement asking the court to consider additional provisions to protect owners such as extended warranties, buyback options, etc. I have already incurred problems with premature failing of parts that, as I understand from a certified BMW mechanic, are more than likely directly related to excess oil consumption. The proposed settlement offers reimbursement for oil purchased between scheduled visits and a replacement engine if the vehicle fails two (2) oil consumption test. "Replacement engine" on a car history report is only going to mean a diminished value vehicle when you attempt to sell it on the private market. Personally, I think the settlement is much more favorable for the attorneys than for the owners. Well, You've been Warned!

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Old 08-06-2018, 01:25 PM
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Personally, I think the settlement is much more favorable for the attorneys than for the owners.
Better for the laywers? Y'don't say???

Good point, though. The peripheral cost in the form of having a rebuilt motor with a serial number mismatch diminishes value, so that ought to be factored into the equation.

Good luck trying to get it approved, though.
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Old 08-10-2018, 07:38 AM
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I am looking at a 2015 650i gran coupe to buy, are these motors excluded from this issue?
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Old 08-10-2018, 02:10 PM
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I am looking at a 2015 650i gran coupe to buy, are these motors excluded from this issue?

I don't know if they are excluded however that model is not called out in the settlement. I would recommend monitoring your oil consumption to see if you requiring oil between scheduled oil services. BMW claims this oil consumption is not a defect but when they refer to this issue in their technical bulletin from 2012 they call it a "defect".
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Old 08-25-2018, 02:31 PM
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We have a 2014 650i Gran coupe. How do we determine if it has an N63 engine or not? Thanks.

PS We bought this car when it came off lease with approx. 23K miles. Is BMW required to notify us of this issue.....this settlement?

PSS Based on this chart our car is not part of this settlement...????

5. How do I know if I am part of the Settlement? What vehicles are included in the Settlement?
The Settlement Class includes all persons or entities in the United States and Puerto Rico who currently own or lease, or
previously owned or leased, certain U.S. specification model-year 2009-2014 BMW 5 series, 6 series, 7 series, X5, or X6
vehicles equipped with an N63 engine purchased or leased in the United States or Puerto Rico, which include the following
vehicles:
Model Year Designation Production Range Model Designation
2009 to 2012 3/2009 to 6/2012 7 Series Sedan (F01 & F02)
2010 to 2013 4/2010 to 6/2012 7 Series Active Hybrid (F04)
2010 to 2012 9/2009 to 6/2012 5 Series Gran Turismo (F07)
2010 to 2013 3/2010 to 7/2013 5 Series Sedan (F10)
2011 to 2012 3/2011 to 7/2012 6 Series Convertible (F12)
2011 to 2012 7/2011 to 7/2012 6 Series Coupe (F13)
2010 to 2013 3/2010 to 6/2013 X5 SAV (E70)
2009 to 2014 7/2008 to 6/2014 X6 SAV (E71)
2009 to 2012 9/2009 to 9/2011 X6 Active Hybrid SAV (E72)
Please note that not all vehicles in the model years identified above contained the N63 engine at issue in the Action. You have received
this notice because BMW's records indicate that you have or had a BMW vehicle with an N63 engine. If you're not sure whether
you are included in the Settlement Class, you may call 1-877-832-4402 with questions.

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Old 08-28-2018, 04:11 PM
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I don't think you need to worry about having the N63 in a 2014 650 GC....you likely have an updated version of the troubled motor....
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Old 09-12-2018, 07:41 AM
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I've been checking the class action website, but have not seen any news RE the settlement. Anyone else heard anything on it?
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:29 PM
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I just called a local dealership, BMW North Houston, today and the service department has been instructed to not take any action concerning the lawsuit until the verdict has been published. For now no free oil consumption test.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:26 PM
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I received the class action lawsuit paperwork this past summer, but misplaced same.

Do class members / claimants need to return any paperwork back to the administrator to be added to the class, etc.? If so, still time?

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Old 09-14-2018, 04:57 PM
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I don't think you need to do anything, it is by your vin.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:17 PM
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I don't think you need to do anything, it is by your vin.
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Old 09-16-2018, 02:02 PM
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Iíve had cars with the N63, N63Tu, S63, and S63Tu. The S63Tu was the only one that regularly required a quart of oil prior to itís 10kmi oil change. My N63 went well beyond 10kmi without needing any oil. I won't be participating in this class action suit.
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Old 09-18-2018, 05:01 PM
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Just FYI my car wouldn't pull up in the online database, but I emailed the settlement administrator and 2 weeks later they respond back saying my Vin is indeed in this group and they are mailing me claim forms. If you think you're in the class I recommend emailing them your Vin.

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I spoke with my BMW dealership in Central Florida. The service advisor would not even acknowledge that there was even a class action suit in motion. He did say that if there was a judgement or ruling, the service department would be provided guidance from BMW NA on how to proceed. When asked about the oil consumption on the N63 engine, he stated that "adding 1 quart of oil every 750 miles is considered normal by BMW". I had to have him repeat that to make sure I wasn't hearing him incorrectly. So BMW recommends 15,000 miles between oil changes, it appears adding 20 quarts between oil changes is acceptable.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the ruling October 10th but I'm not very optimistic. Maybe higher viscosity oil may be the only option.
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