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Hope you will post that old car story over at Acurazine where you have been slamming the 4cylT BMW, AUDI, HONDA etc for the past 6 months or so on
almost a daily basis except for the timeout when you were banned.
Of course I do, I have been doing this since late"90s. Where were you?

The Kia above is a GREAT example why. Poor (or no better) real world acceleration and mpg. Anybody with a brain and love for a proper engine sound will figure why.

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Of course I do, I have been doing this since late"90s. Where were you?
Enjoying various performance cars actually since the early '60's

Most recently a really great 4 cylinder 2.5L turbo that has come into the family at Christmas.




718 Boxster S PDK 350BHP 0-60 3.8 seconds 1/4 mile 11.9 @ 117mph & just for you 5-60 in 4.3 seconds @ 21/28MPG on 93 octane not 87.

With sport exhaust gotta love the sound of acceleration in the morning.

Just an NA 6 vs 2.5T & PDK vs 6MT aside. Although my son in laws Boxster is slightly quicker then my daughters 911 Carrera 4S NA flat 6 with 6MT both are sub 4 second cars. Small displacement turbos are nothing to call TOY like you do but real performance engines. Even not so powerful stock versions can get very large power boosts, pun intended, with relativly inexpensive tunes like the JB4 for the BMW 320/328/330.

The future is now & your NA V6 TLX is dead meet, even Acura is running away from its 20+ year old V6 with the next generation.
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Enjoying various performance cars actually since the early '60's

Most recently a really great 4 cylinder 2.5L turbo that has come into the family at Christmas.




718 Boxster S PDK 350BHP 0-60 3.8 seconds 1/4 mile 11.9 @ 117mph & just for you 5-60 in 4.3 seconds @ 21/28MPG on 93 octane not 87.

With sport exhaust gotta love the sound of acceleration in the morning.

Just an NA 6 vs 2.5T & PDK vs 6MT aside. Although my son in laws Boxster is slightly quicker then my daughters 911 Carrera 4S NA flat 6 with 6MT both are sub 4 second cars. Small displacement turbos are nothing to call TOY like you do but real performance engines. Even not so powerful stock versions can get very large power boosts, pun intended, with relativly inexpensive tunes like the JB4 for the BMW 320/328/330.

The future is now & your NA V6 TLX is dead meet, even Acura is running away from its 20+ year old V6 with the next generation.
The death of the V6 (turbo or not I don't care) is greatly exaggerated. Not that I would spend a dime more for it, Honda aka Acura will soon have their own 'mainstream' 3.0T (they have a 3.5TT in the NSX) for the TLX and Toyota is very pleased to prove you wrong with the Camry 2018 and surely in the future Lexus models.
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No doubt the Stinger is faithful to its name. Looks very nice on the road, and the guy in charge of engineering is an ex-BMW buff? They basically replicated all the goodies of a RWD 3-series, a formidable task. KIA has BMW in its crosshairs, but it will take some time to pry many die-hard bimmer dudes away from the "ultimate driving machine."
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No doubt the Stinger is faithful to its name. Looks very nice on the road, and the guy in charge of engineering is an ex-BMW buff? They basically replicated all the goodies of a RWD 3-series, a formidable task. KIA has BMW in its crosshairs, but it will take some time to pry many die-hard bimmer dudes away from the "ultimate driving machine."

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Toyota is very pleased to prove you wrong with the Camry 2018 and surely in the future Lexus models.
Whoa, now we are going to take performance lessons from Camry

BTW I guess you did not get the memo.

The future is now & it comes with a turbo or two.

The New 2018 Lexus LS500 Gets A Twin-Turbo V6.

3.5 V6 Twin Turbo in their flagship car. 415 horsepower and 442 lb-ft of torque, zero to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. A 10-speed auto is standard.

You do make these things so easy.
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As usual, you understand what you want. The point is having a V6 available in the Camry as opposed as having a 2.0T. The rest is mere diversion from your part.

BTW.

Brand new Lexus model for 2018 with a V8.


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Better pass the memo to the Corvette engineers.

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Better pass the memo to the Corvette engineers.
They got the forced induction memo & run superchargers. Enjoy your anemic 3.5L 290BHP TLX or maybe step up to a new less anemic 3.5 301BHP NA V6 Camry.



Small 3.9L V8 Twin Turbo 710BHP

They got the forced induction memo for large displacement V8's that said Supercharging is a very good packaging solution. The memo for 4, 6 & small displacement 8 cylinders said Turbo Charging was the best solution & NA is good for cheaper economy cars & base level large displacement V8's to save money.
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My "anemic" in 2WD has a 5-60mph of 5.8s, only 0.2s slower than another "anemic" F30 335i manual. It is that bad.
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My "anemic" in 2WD has a 5-60mph of 5.8s, only 0.2s slower than another "anemic" F30 335i manual. It is that bad.


Your so full of it the 335i will blow the tlx away. In fact the accord 2.0t will beat the tlx as well. BMW turbo inline 6 is going to be in the next Toyota Supra


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My "anemic" in 2WD has a 5-60mph of 5.8s, only 0.2s slower than another "anemic" F30 335i manual. It is that bad.
C/D TEST RESULTS:2018 440 320BHP
Zero to 60 mph: 4.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.8 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 19.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 28.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.9 sec @ 109 mph

C/D TEST RESULTS:2017 BMW 330 248BHP
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 27.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.7 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.6 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.4 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.0 sec @ 100 mph

C/D TEST RESULTS:2018 TLX SHWAD Aspec 290BHP

Zero to 60 mph: 5.7 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.2 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 22.5 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.9 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 3.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 4.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph

Some others:

Edmund's 340 long term test

"You might have seen the recent post that details our new long-term 2016 BMW 340i's performance at the test track. Hopefully, you noted its 0-60 time: 4.4 seconds. Or, 4.1 seconds with 1 foot of roll-out, which is how enthusiast publications would report it.
Either way, holy Bavarian cow. 4.4 seconds! Allow me to put that into perspective."

Top of the line TLX Aspec, which you don't even have, looks pretty anemic from my drivers seat, especially when many of us are driving the MPPSK 355BHP version which adds a bit of performance to the numbers above.

Unfortunately there is nothing available to help the TLX compete with the sub 5 second sport sedans. You can't even run a Traffic Light Grand Prix or 1/4 mile against a 248BHP 4 cylinder 330 that you supposedly out power by 42BHP.
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Again a diversion from your part, can't you focus?

Do you consider a stock manual F30 335i "anemic", yes or no.
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Again a diversion from your part, can't you focus?

Do you consider a stock manual F30 335i "anemic", yes or no.
No as said below a 335 will crap all over your car even the 6MT which is the slowest of the litter & your favorite to cherry pick will crap on your TLX. I know both my 335 7DCT & 435 8ZF would blow your TLX into the weeds & my current 135 6MT would make it a sweep by the X35 series.

Base 435 mine was an MPPK/MPE

C/D TEST RESULTS: 435
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.4 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 16.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.1 sec @ 107 mph

C/D TEST RESULTS: 335is
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.4 sec
Zero to 140 mph: 25.7 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 108 mph


C/D TEST RESULTS: 135is
Zero to 60 mph: 4.6 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 11.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 20.1 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 5.2 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 6.3 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 5.9 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 107 mph

I know you bet your whole game on the 5-60 but you are already about 20ft behind & loosing ground. The gap will rapidly open as the run goes on because you are anemic when it comes to power to move your TLX in its upper gears. This is pretty easy to see in the 0-120/130MPH numbers.

Your car takes 22.5 seconds to get to 120. The 435 takes 16.8 to 120. My 335 took 26 seconds to get to 140MPH. The 135 gets to 130MPH before you get to 120MPH.

In other words you have very little actual power & by every measure you come in second. Remember important point, In a two car race second place is the looser. So enjoy the TLX & maybe if the Acura DOHC V6 Turbo pans out you might be able to finally buy a quick car.

That said you want to go fast cheap get a base Stinger GT in the low 30K range.
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Not at all.

I understand that you wear pink glasses, but if you are talking about "my car" [AWD TLX] and a 340i [forget that 335i, but still manual] xdrive, which one has the best 5-60mph [for which 'torque' is supposed to be paramount]?

Mmmm????
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

Well, well, well they are the same, aren't they? Actually NO, TLX AWD is quicker as what you wrote.

Now imagine a 2.0T with a creepy sound in that ugly kit-car. [we all know what car]

Better than popcorn.

[disclaimer: as our friend bear was told many times (but he doesn't recall, conveniently), I would take a 340i over my car if I agreed to spend 15K more ... but NOT for acceleration reasons], Still considering a G20/G25 I6 as my next car in 9 months.

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Not at all.

I understand that you wear pink glasses, but if you are talking about "my car" [AWD TLX] and a 340i [forget that 335i, but still manual] xdrive, which one has the best 5-60mph [for which 'torque' is supposed to be paramount]?

Mmmm????
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

Well, well, well they are the same, aren't they? Actually NO, TLX AWD is quicker as what you wrote.

Now imagine a 2.0T with a creepy sound in that ugly kit-car. [we all know what car]

Better than popcorn.

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My driving glasses are smoke gray to clear depending on the light, my helmet visor is black & my shooting glasses are yellow, no pink ones here, unless my granddaughter has some. Lots of people would take a 340 over a TLX if they had the money. Lots of people would take a Lamborghini over a 340 if they had the money. That's the thing isn't it?

C&D says:

"Output of the V-6 in TLX tune is 290 horsepower and 267 lb-ft of torque. Mash the accelerator and you can expect to be traveling 60 mph in 5.7 seconds, not slow but not exactly mindless pedal-to-the-metal territory. The equivalent BMW 335i brings a 3.0-liter turbo straight-six to the party (300 hp, 300 lb-ft) and, with automatic transmission and rear-wheel drive, can sprint to 60 a full second quicker. All things considered, the TLX stacks up as a decent new entry-luxury sedan. But "an adrenaline rush like no other"? Not so much."

Its pick a C&D road test, they love testing BMW's, but at the end of the day the BMW tested even most 4 cylinders will run all over your V6 regardless of which mix & match test you want to do.

C/D TEST RESULTS: TLX V6 SHAWD
Zero to 60 mph: 5.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.1 sec
Zero to 120 mph: 21.7 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 14.2 sec @ 100 mph

You do have a non-Aspec V6 SHAWD just like this one, not a quicker RWD don't you?

C/D TEST RESULTS: 340iX I6T AWD
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.0 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 21.2 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.3 sec @ 104 mph


Apples 4X4 to Apples 4X4 as it were.

Maybe I missed something, provide a link if you have one, but the only TLX that does 5.8 5-60 is the V6 FWD model. Matched against the RWD 335/435/340/440 its loses on all 3 measures. Keep plugging away. Better yet get a TLX surrogate down here with a Go-Pro that wants to play. He can even call the start.

As for you scraping together money & springing for an G2X I6 to run on 87 octane to save $200 a year I will believe it when I see the pictures. Was another Acura forever debater that was always going to get an M5 for a 1 up on the 3/4 series & wound-up with a Dogde SUV.
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Not at all.

I understand that you wear pink glasses, but if you are talking about "my car" [AWD TLX] and a 340i [forget that 335i, but still manual] xdrive, which one has the best 5-60mph [for which 'torque' is supposed to be paramount]?

Mmmm????
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ve-test-review

Well, well, well they are the same, aren't they? Actually NO, TLX AWD is quicker as what you wrote.

Now imagine a 2.0T with a creepy sound in that ugly kit-car. [we all know what car]

Better than popcorn.

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Huh?

That 340 review only mentions 0-60 time of 4.9 - no 5-60 and no Mention of a tlx?
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Huh?

That 340 review only mentions 0-60 time of 4.9 - no 5-60

Huh?

It is right there; "Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec"

Our friend bear can try to escape all day long, but he won't answer to a very simple question; "Do you consider a stock manual F30 335i "anemic", yes or no.". This doesn't call for another irrelevant list of specs of yours, neither you trying to be stupid-mean about my car..

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Huh?

It is right there; "Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 6.2 sec"

Our friend bear can try to escape all day long, but he won't answer to a very simple question; "Do you consider a stock manual F30 335i "anemic", yes or no.". This doesn't call for another irrelevant list of specs of yours, neither you trying to be stupid-mean about my car..

I see it now. The tlx v6 has a 9 speed trans so that’s what pushes it over the edge. A modern automatic with 8+ speeds is going to be faster than a similarly weight/powered car with a manual. Doesn’t make the 6 speed car “anemic” though.
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I see it now. The tlx v6 has a 9 speed trans so that’s what pushes it over the edge. A modern automatic with 8+ speeds is going to be faster than a similarly weight/powered car with a manual. Doesn’t make the 6 speed car “anemic” though.
Before getting my 330i, I test drove a TLX in both 4 and 6. I hated the car, I wanted to like it, but the 6 cyl and auto transmission did not want to play well with each other, and the 4 cyl was a DOG....
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Before getting my 330i, I test drove a TLX in both 4 and 6. I hated the car, I wanted to like it, but the 6 cyl and auto transmission did not want to play well with each other, and the 4 cyl was a DOG....
I also test drove the i4 and V6 TLX. As you said, the V6 powertrain wasn't ready for prime time. The most glaring issue to me was the pronounced delay when you needed a downshift on heavy acceleration. The i4 was as expected, slower but the transmission was better.

The biggest disappointment was the infotainment system. The maps did not look luxury car quality, and the audio source screen was, for some reason, quite dim. But hey, the price of the TLX is attractive so the value proposition is there, but why don't we see far more of these cars on the road?

One telling thing about Acura is that Honda always puts its best innovations into the Accord first, so it seems to me that Honda gives no love to Acura, guaranteeing the vicious cycle of Acura always having to play catchup with competitors.
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One telling thing about Acura is that Honda always puts its best innovations into the Accord first, so it seems to me that Honda gives no love to Acura, guaranteeing the vicious cycle of Acura always having to play catchup with competitors.
Acura has lost it's Mojo, ILX is a bomb, as well as the TLX. Soft seats and soft touches only go so far A Honda Touring 2L turbo fully loaded is 33K, comes with all the safety features leather, nav, autonomous breaking active cruise control etc or you can pay36K for the tired 2.4L 4 cyl and get fewer features.
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Acura has lost it's Mojo, ILX is a bomb, as well as the TLX. Soft seats and soft touches only go so far A Honda Touring 2L turbo fully loaded is 33K, comes with all the safety features leather, nav, autonomous breaking active cruise control etc or you can pay36K for the tired 2.4L 4 cyl and get fewer features.


Don’t forget the RLX, in which acura sold 1300 for all of 2017. One thing acura tlx has over the Accord is the cheap lease deals.


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Don’t forget the RLX, in which acura sold 1300 for all of 2017. One thing acura tlx has over the Accord is the cheap lease deals.


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When I was looking at the TLX the dealer kept telling me that they had lease incentives... I had to remind him that lease incentives mean the car isn't selling and there were reasons for that.
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