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Old 12-17-2018, 07:38 AM
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iDrive showed a few thousand miles and the sensors did no trip. But the indy did a visual inspection and recommended replacing them a little early to save the rotors.

BMW seems to have really tightened their QC. This is my first BMW and it has been so reliable that I never identify with the widespread hue and cry about BMW reliability. But I reckon that comes from people who have owned multiple models over the years and have been burned by previous reliability issues.
What seems to be a widespread hue and cry actually emanates from small sliver of unusually loud BMW owners who at times echo one another. The vast majority of BMW owners are satisfied and not active in online enthusiast forums.
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What seems to be a widespread hue and cry actually emanates from small sliver of unusually loud BMW owners who at times echo one another. The vast majority of BMW owners are satisfied and not active in online enthusiast forums.
Not just enthusiast forums, but with any article or question or post about BMWs on the interwebs, one can find a litany of comments on poor reliability . But I think you are correct in that there is a large echo effect there.
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Old 12-17-2018, 09:26 AM
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What seems to be a widespread hue and cry actually emanates from small sliver of unusually loud BMW owners who at times echo one another. The vast majority of BMW owners are satisfied and not active in online enthusiast forums.
Usually owners do not seek solution unless there is a problem. In general BMW has not enjoyed high reliability ratings among various sources(e.g. CR used car ratings).

E.g. my previous bimmer was a MY01 E39, which was a LCI I6 NA. E39 started shipping 1997, so 4 years into the model production, starting around 60k-70k miles, there were lots of online posts about failures with cooling system, control arm bushings, window regulators, OFHG, VCG, VANOS, PCV valve, dash tear downs for AC fans + evaporator, various sensors, etc, etc.

F30 is at end of production now, a6 6-7 years mark and 100k miles on some F30, there are rarely posts about similar failures. The only thing that stands out so far is N20/N26 timing chain issue that requires owner's awareness. So hopefully that's the case for years to come.
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"Spent a little more then that, not counting tires & pads, for 10 years & 125K+ miles in a 2004 330 CI ZHP 6MT Convert. Did all non-warranty items myself.

Have not found any one, 330, X3, 335is, 135is, 435, 440, a bad car so far."
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Re-Post of my comments to this thread on the other forum.

"Spent a little more then that, not counting tires & pads, for 10 years & 125K+ miles in a 2004 330 CI ZHP 6MT Convert. Did all non-warranty items myself.

Have not found any one, 330, X3, 335is, 135is, 435, 440, a bad car so far."
Except oil change and brakes and tires, what repairs were needed on your 2004 E46 till 125k?
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Since I was shopping quite a bit leading up to my off lease purchase of my 750 a few weeks back, I was getting a lot of Facebook adds for BMW. The comments on those adds were almost all naysayers who had no actual experience with the brand. I jumped in head first with this purchase with that in mind but you'd think i'd already need a new engine in my three weeks of ownership based on the comments.
There is a difference between the kind of transportation you own and the kind of transportation you own when finances take a back seat and are no longer a consideration. Most folks find themselves in that first category their entire lives and are fine exclaiming their 20 year old Buick LeSabre is the end all car.

So far, the extent of my three week shake down of any possible issues has revealed only that the rotors pulsate a bit when applying the brakes hard from highway speeds such as when you come upon stopped traffic during rushhour. Also, no matter how I try, the comfort access trunk won't work...not even once.
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The comments on those adds were almost all naysayers who had no actual experience with the brand.
This is my thought too. I think other than enthusiast forums, most people commenting on BMW, Audi, etc on the internet have no real experience with the brand, let alone any clue what they are actually talking about. Mostly trolls.
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Since I was shopping quite a bit leading up to my off lease purchase of my 750 a few weeks back, I was getting a lot of Facebook adds for BMW. The comments on those adds were almost all naysayers who had no actual experience with the brand. I jumped in head first with this purchase with that in mind but you'd think i'd already need a new engine in my three weeks of ownership based on the comments.
There is a difference between the kind of transportation you own and the kind of transportation you own when finances take a back seat and are no longer a consideration. Most folks find themselves in that first category their entire lives and are fine exclaiming their 20 year old Buick LeSabre is the end all car.

So far, the extent of my three week shake down of any possible issues has revealed only that the rotors pulsate a bit when applying the brakes hard from highway speeds such as when you come upon stopped traffic during rushhour. Also, no matter how I try, the comfort access trunk won't work...not even once.
So the 750 is a lease end buyout, or a purchase of a lease return inventory at dealer? Ir original owner the 4-yr/50k miles free maintenance(that covers brakes) should still be in effect.

Plusating rotor can mean rotors/pads need to be replaced.

As far as comfort access, do check out utube videos on it, the foot swipe is a 90-degree kick wrt bumper.
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Aside of some initial warranty work to fix a pinched seal that was making some noise around the passenger side mirror, I've only had 2 minor issues which have cost me just under $100.

At around 65k miles, my oil filter housing gasket was starting to show signs of failure. A couple gaskets, a bottle of coolant, and 2 hours of DIY labor made inexpensive work of a $700 job at the dealer for around around $60.

Just recently (lets say 70k miles), my passenger side mid-range speaker sounds like it's blown. As much as I'd like this to be an excuse to do a whole overhaul of the HK sound system, I just can't justify it with the available aftermarket setups available at the moment. None a really a true hi-fi system like the B&O available in the 5 series and up. Nonetheless, an easy $40 fix buying a single OEM replacement off ebay - which you can just snag using a Mini part number as the speakers are identical.
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BMW seems to have really tightened their QC.
Consumer Reports' most recent reliability survey shows notably improved reliability ratings for F3x cars, which are generally average to better than average, compared to E9x cars, which are generally worse to much worse than average.

Too bad CR no longer separates (for readers anyway) different engines and transmissions within a particular model line. In 2015, the last year they did segregate the data in this manner, 4-cylinder F30 had better reliability than the 6-cylinder versions. I'd surmise this is still the case.
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Aside of some initial warranty work to fix a pinched seal that was making some noise around the passenger side mirror, I've only had 2 minor issues which have cost me just under $100.

At around 65k miles, my oil filter housing gasket was starting to show signs of failure. A couple gaskets, a bottle of coolant, and 2 hours of DIY labor made inexpensive work of a $700 job at the dealer for around around $60.

Just recently (lets say 70k miles), my passenger side mid-range speaker sounds like it's blown. As much as I'd like this to be an excuse to do a whole overhaul of the HK sound system, I just can't justify it with the available aftermarket setups available at the moment. None a really a true hi-fi system like the B&O available in the 5 series and up. Nonetheless, an easy $40 fix buying a single OEM replacement off ebay - which you can just snag using a Mini part number as the speakers are identical.
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Except oil change and brakes and tires, what repairs were needed on your 2004 E46 till 125k?
Did all work so no labor charges. 4-O2 sensors, 6 spark plugs, 1 valve cover gasket, 1 battery some rubber intake? pipes. Might have been some more odds & ends like wiper blades, filters etc that I just don't remember but nothing big.

IIRC the most expensive items were the O2 sensors @ 87K miles.
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Consumer Reports' most recent reliability survey shows notably improved reliability ratings for F3x cars, which are generally average to better than average, compared to E9x cars, which are generally worse to much worse than average.

Too bad CR no longer separates (for readers anyway) different engines and transmissions within a particular model line. In 2015, the last year they did segregate the data in this manner, 4-cylinder F30 had better reliability than the 6-cylinder versions. I'd surmise this is still the case.
I remember seeing something like this posted a while ago on the forums. Good to know Jives with my experience.
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Did all work so no labor charges. 4-O2 sensors, 6 spark plugs, 1 valve cover gasket, 1 battery some rubber intake? pipes. Might have been some more odds & ends like wiper blades, filters etc that I just don't remember but nothing big.

IIRC the most expensive items were the O2 sensors @ 87K miles.
That is a relatively short list for a E46.

My E39 was [email protected], but 125k the new owner already fixed all the above plus cooling system overhaul, control arm bushings, 2 window regulators, rear wheel bearings, VANOS, PCV.
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That is a relatively short list for a E46.

My E39 was [email protected], but 125k the new owner already fixed all the above plus cooling system overhaul, control arm bushings, 2 window regulators, rear wheel bearings, VANOS, PCV.
Guess you can add in the PCV must have changed that. The cooling system overhaul was not done, no issues with it when the car was sold but was the only thing I was watching for based on others experience.

None of the other items listed were even on my watch list. Not sure if the ZHP came with different level parts then the standard car.
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Guess you can add in the PCV must have changed that. The cooling system overhaul was not done, no issues with it when the car was sold but was the only thing I was watching for based on others experience.

None of the other items listed were even on my watch list. Not sure if the ZHP came with different level parts then the standard car.
Better parts could be plausible but not likely(can be confirmed by looking at part#).

Also my E39 was sold 12 years and 100k miles, so the new owner probably did some pre-emptive work (e.g. cooling) to "refresh" the car.
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Not sure if the ZHP came with different level parts then the standard car.
Nope - same basic components were used on the other E46s. Many under the hood parts for my '06 330ci ZHP are also used on my '03 530i.
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Nope - same basic components were used on the other E46s. Many under the hood parts for my '06 330ci ZHP are also used on my '03 530i.
I was thinking more of the control arm bushings & wheel bearings namelessman referred to. Can't really remember but thought the car has an upgraded suspension over the non ZHP. Know the wheels were different.
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I was thinking more of the control arm bushings & wheel bearings namelessman referred to. Can't really remember but thought the car has an upgraded suspension over the non ZHP.
This is correct - some of these parts are same/similar to the M3 bits.
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Do festers plan to do ZF 8AT fluid service, and if so, at what mileage?

One SA says dont-touch until tranny fails, another foreman says 100k($900), while another indy says 60k-80k miles($750). The ZF procedure is quite complicated, apparently due to thermal coeff of the AT fluid.
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Do festers plan to do ZF 8AT fluid service, and if so, at what mileage?

One SA says dont-touch until tranny fails, another foreman says 100k($900), while another indy says 60k-80k miles($750). The ZF procedure is quite complicated, apparently due to thermal coeff of the AT fluid.
This is precisely why I am not going to. Even the most experienced BMW mechanics may be great BMW mechanics, but that doesn't mean they are great ZF mechanics too. I'd rather my transmission fail at some point in the distant future than have it fail in the near future because the procedure wasn't done 100% correctly.
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This is precisely why I am not going to. Even the most experienced BMW mechanics may be great BMW mechanics, but that doesn't mean they are great ZF mechanics too. I'd rather my transmission fail at some point in the distant future than have it fail in the near future because the procedure wasn't done 100% correctly.
My plan is to not do anything till failures of mechatronics or torque converter, both of which are covered by CA PZEV emission warranty.

This plan will fail if the fault code says clutch pack failure.
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Bought my F30 new in Germany in May 2013 and it has about 15K Autobahn miles. I drive it hard almost everyday. I'm at 65k miles now and I take it in for all CBS services. I had to have the transfer case replaced after two years of ownership. Other than that, no issues. I did buy the extended warranty before the factory warranty expired and I have yet to use it.
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Bought my F30 new in Germany in May 2013 and it has about 15K Autobahn miles. I drive it hard almost everyday. I'm at 65k miles now and I take it in for all CBS services. I had to have the transfer case replaced after two years of ownership. Other than that, no issues. I did buy the extended warranty before the factory warranty expired and I have yet to use it.
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This is my first BMW. I previously owned Mercedes-Benz. Prior to purchasing the car, I asked the head mechanic at the high-end repair shop (Mayo Auto Repair, Red Bank, NJ) in our area which brand he preferred among BMW, Mercedes and Audi. He said BMW would be the most reliable and it would seem he was right.

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