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Old 09-04-2011, 01:09 PM
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M3 under $50k?

One thing we haven't talked about much is how every iteration in the major release cycle, we get more car for less money. In 2004 for about $47,000 you could get a 330i ZSP (performance package) with 225 horsepower. In 2005 for about $33,000 you could get a 325i (3.0L) with 215 horsepower -- and it was faster. The value was so tremendous I gladly bought one.

Fast forward to 2010. I picked up an Audi S4 for under $50,000. It does 0-60 in under 5 seconds. It got me 28 MPG on my trip to Las Vegas at an unreasonably fast cruising speed of 87 mph (in a 70 zone). It was unheard of to touch an S4 for anything under $60k. Now I have a faster, more efficient, higher performing, lighter car than the outgoing models.

Lets throw out what we know about the current model hierarchy. We think there's going to be some kind of 4 cylinder turbo. We think the M3 is going to have some kind of forced induction 6 cylinder. It doesn't seem unreasonable to start the 325i and $32k, the 335i at $39k, and the M3 at $47k. Of course the last car has the biggest range - you can load it to the brim with systems and luxury and bump it to $65k. Audi is priced this way. One thing working in our favor is none of these cars will hit the gas guzzler tax because their highway economy is up.
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Old 09-04-2011, 11:15 PM
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Not sure where you got your pricing but in 2003 the 330i with ZHP could be had for under 40k (MSRP of 44k). I had one and paid less than 40k for it with leather, xenons, etc. Many people didn't even opt for leather as ZHP's came with alcantara seating so a sticker nearer to 42k was easily achieved.

Additionally, I had a 2006 330i which was even cheaper than my 2003 330i but it was decidedly slower, quieter, far less involving to drive, heavier and all around a worse car. A couple grand cheaper (and via ED less than 36k with leather, sport, pdc, ca, etc) but a lesser car in every way.

Yes, the value has become better in terms of power. But if someone had a showroom new 2005 330i ZHP available and a showroom 2011 335i ZSP for the same price...I wouldn't pause to take the ZHP.

I had a 335i too.
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