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Old 10-24-2004, 02:27 AM
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Stock 330i ZHP Dyno Results

I finally had the chance to dyno my car yesterday (10/23/04) and wanted to share with you the results. The car is a bone stock 2003 BMW 330i ZHP. I wanted to get a stock baseline run before I start adding performance mods. I'll be sure to share my future dyno numbers as the mods get installed.

2003 BMW 330i ZHP (mileage : 19,900)
HP : 207
TQ : 200

I'm pretty happy with that!!

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I had the car dynoíd again today (1/8/05). Last month I made the following modifications and put over 1,000 miles on the car to let the computer adapt.

The mods :

- Conforti Cold Air Intake
- UUC TSE3 Exhaust
- UUC Underdrive Pulleys
- 15 lb 17 x 8 SSR Comp Wheels (wheel/tire combo is 9lbs lighter then stock)
- 3.07 Limited Slip Differential (same final drive gear ratio as stock, would make no diff on dyno)

Dyno results :

The biggest gain was at 2,300 RPM. I gained about 8 horsepower and 18 ft lbs of torque. Peak horsepower went from 207 to 209 (2 HP gain). Peak torque went from 200 to 207 (7 ft lb gain).

Based on how the car accelerates and by my own butt dyno, I was expecting to see larger gains. Iím not quite as concerned with horsepower as I am torque and the torque is where I saw the most improvement. Iím really happy to see that huge torque gain at such low RPMsÖ thatís what Iíve been feeling on the butt dyno!!

I still have one mod leftÖ I plan to get the Stage II ECU Flash from Oscar Velez next month. Oscar tells me the Stage I is good for an 8 HP gain and the Stage II is good for 12 HP. I plan to dyno the car again after the software upgrade and will post the results here.


2003 BMW 330i ZHP w/ mods (mileage : 22,500)
HP : 209
TQ : 207

I was hoping for bigger gains, but then who wouldn't.


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Old 10-24-2004, 03:33 AM
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Hmm... that's interesting... looks like you have pretty good stock numbers.

A previous dyno from a stock 330i with ZHP that I saw was like this:
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...04&postcount=1


Now the ambient temp conditions weren't as cool as when you did yours... but could the ambient temp/humidity differences make that big of a difference here or are we seeing normal variance....
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Old 10-24-2004, 04:10 AM
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Care to share stock 0-60 and quarter-mile times?
I havenít had my car to the drag strip (I prefer the tracks w/ turns ), so I canít share any of those numbers. However, I remember seeing a post over on bimmerforums.com (in the track forum) a while back that showed some stock ZHP quarter mile times.
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Old 10-24-2004, 04:12 AM
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Hmm... that's interesting... looks like you have pretty good stock numbers.
Yes, I was pleasantly surprised. I was hoping to get at least 200 RWHP... so to say the least I am quite pleased.


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Now the ambient temp conditions weren't as cool as when you did yours... but could the ambient temp/humidity differences make that big of a difference here or are we seeing normal variance....
It could even be a variance in the dyno machines too.
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Nice chart - good to see some decent numbers. 12% loss to the driveline isn't too bad at all. I'd think some of the variance in car-to-car results have to do with break-in and mileage and useage patterns. You run your car like it's meant to be run, and have for a while. Coming up on 20K miles, it's probably all loosened up and putting out the way it should.

(Speaking of driving it like it's meant to be driven - I finally had a driving school up at Lime Rock last week - what a blast - there's going to be a lot more of that!

http://www.teamdfl.com/events/lrp_10...s/IMG_2002.htm

http://www.teamdfl.com/events/lrp_10...s/IMG_2051.htm

http://www.teamdfl.com/events/lrp_10...s/IMG_2112.htm

Look what else showed up for the day? But not on the track.... )

Of course, giving the car a real workout made me think of future mods. There's a lot more driving that I want to do before I get into racing tires or anything truly track related. But a wee bit more power is always appreciated at the top end, and while the front brakes held up very well with all that airflow from the M-Sport nose, the rear pads took a real beating - may have to change them just to get my brake feel back for daily driving.

What sort of mods are you looking at to increase power, and what's your schedule?

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Good results! Have you noticed an increase in performance with more miles on the odometer? If so, at what point did you start to notice? Thanks for posting your results.

What is that dip, double-VANOS?

I wonder if a regular 330i 6-speed would be good for 200rwhp?
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Ohio is pretty cold, what was the temp when you did that Dyno

Run? Those numbers are great numbers for a stock ZHP. The weather must have been quite cold when you pulled that run or you have a strong car from the factory? What kind of gas is available in Ohio? 91 92 or 93 Octane?
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Old 10-24-2004, 11:42 AM
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It could even be a variance in the dyno machines too.
I've run my car on 2 different Dynojets by 2 different operators on different types of days (probably 10F difference in the test rooms) and got 99% identical numbers. I was very surprised by how consistent it was.
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Old 10-24-2004, 11:51 AM
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(Speaking of driving it like it's meant to be driven - I finally had a driving school up at Lime Rock last week - what a blast - there's going to be a lot more of that!
Nice pics Micah!! Iím looking forward to my next driving school (it probably wonít be until next year though )


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Have you noticed an increase in performance with more miles on the odometer? If so, at what point did you start to notice?
I canít say that Iíve noticed it, but Iím sure the engine has loosened up quite a bit over the last 20k miles. I auto-x and track my car quite a bit, and agree with Micah, that I bet that has helped to loosen it up.


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What is that dip, double-VANOS?
Yep, all M52 and M54 engines have that dip.


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I wonder if a regular 330i 6-speed would be good for 200rwhp?
The local BMWCCA was having a dyno day when I got mine done. There were several 330s there, but not sure what their runs were. Chris from understeer.com will be posting everyoneís run on his site here shortly. I'll try and provide a link as soon as I find it.


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Run? Those numbers are great numbers for a stock ZHP. The weather must have been quite cold when you pulled that run or you have a strong car from the factory? What kind of gas is available in Ohio? 91 92 or 93 Octane?
It was 71 degrees during the first run and 70 degrees during the second. I have run nothing but 93 octane in the car (other then the few times Iíve put in 94). I had 93 octane in the car when it was dynoíd.
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I havenít had my car to the drag strip (I prefer the tracks w/ turns ), so I canít share any of those numbers. However, I remember seeing a post over on bimmerforums.com (in the track forum) a while back that showed some stock ZHP quarter mile times.
Yeah, SilverStreak posted a quarter-mile time of 14.0 s @ 97.5 mph. Just wondering out of curiosity if you had gathered your own numbers. Anyway, the dyno data you have is promising.
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That is a sweet picture. Are you catching up or being passed...?
I'm the pass-er in that picture There were some really fast cars there. Lots of e30 M3 track cars. That one was a daily-driver M3, but the track cars that were lapping were mooooooving.... My run group was pretty pedestrian, One Dinan M Coupe that was pushing pretty hard, an e36M3 that was moving well, an old M6 that was moving HARD (and was up on stands at the end of the day ), an EVO and e46M3 that could not have been pushing near as hard as they could (evidenced by the fact that I passed them one or more times each session ). Other cars were pretty tame.

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It was 71 degrees during the first run and 70 degrees during the second. I have run nothing but 93 octane in the car (other then the few times Iíve put in 94). I had 93 octane in the car when it was dynoíd.
Interesting... could 2 octane points make that big a difference... hmm... the one I referred to was running in slightly warmer temps with 91 octane....

Maybe I should redyno with some octane boost and see what happens...
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thanks for putting up the dyno plot

that's exactly what i've been looking for someone to do...

what mods are you thinking of doing?

i'll be keeping my on this thread with great anticipation... thanks again
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Old 10-24-2004, 04:15 PM
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Maybe I should redyno with some octane boost and see what happens...
I too would be interested to know. Let us know if you do.


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what mods are you thinking of doing?
During the winter I plan to install the following:
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Now the ambient temp conditions weren't as cool as when you did yours... but could the ambient temp/humidity differences make that big of a difference here or are we seeing normal variance....
many factors are involved in hp/torque numbers from a dyno...

the first being differences in dynos themselves. andy was on a dynojet, which notoriously gives a lower hp/torque rating than most. as do 'mustang' dynos. interestingly, andy got better number than your dyno showed for a zhp...

second, dyno outputs are very sensitive to ambient temperature and humidity. ideally, any comparison should be performed the same day. that goes for comparing car to car, or power increases after mods. otherwise, barometric and temp variability my exagerate or minimize the gains from mods, or bragging rights.

third, all cars are not the same. a 330i is not a 330i. independent of other factors such as miles on an engine, maintanence, gasoline octane in the tank (which i still think makes a difference when your goal is peak performance, not anti-knock), cars within a model range, e.g. the 330i zhp, aren't created equal. some owners luck-out with an engine that is almost blue-printed from the factory. by random probability, they get a car with almost perfectly weighted and machined rotational parts... pistons, valves, etc. and make more power than someone who probability did not bless.

my car was actually blessed by g-d and came with a perfectly blue-printed motor

so, at the end of the day, the dyno really is most useful when looking at one specific car, like andy's zhp, and seeing the gains with modification to the engine. of course other zhp drivers will rightfully extrapolate to their car, but the gains may be less impressive, or more so. just depends on the car.... and the day, and the dyno...

obviously, if a car relative to another car has a statistically significant increase in output, say 50hp or above (guess, don't know the standard deviation for repetitive dyno runs), than it really doesn't matter car or day, that car is making more power.

hope this helps...it definitely was verbose enough. sorry.
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sweet. are you going to dyno, mod, than re-dyno the same day?

step-wise mods, right? so you can see the gains from each change?

hope so.

how did you choose the parts you're changing?

which shop are you having the install, dynoing done by?

man, i'm totally stoked to see the results... awesome. i think i'm as excited as you are about your mods.
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many factors are involved in hp/torque numbers from a dyno...

the first being differences in dynos themselves. andy was on a dynojet, which notoriously gives a lower hp/torque rating than most. as do 'mustang' dynos. interestingly, andy got better number than your dyno showed for a zhp...

second, dyno outputs are very sensitive to ambient temperature and humidity. ideally, any comparison should be performed the same day. that goes for comparing car to car, or power increases after mods. otherwise, barometric and temp variability my exagerate or minimize the gains from mods, or bragging rights.
The dyno I refered to was also a dynojet....

and as Kaz mentioned... he has dynoed his car on different days with different temps, on two different dynojets and got nearly identical results...



But yes... lots of variables come into play here.
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sweet. are you going to dyno, mod, than re-dyno the same day?

step-wise mods, right? so you can see the gains from each change?

hope so.
I would like to do it that way, however the shop charges $75 for three pulls. If they let me spread those three pulls over an entire weekend then yes, I would do one dyno run per mod.


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SCCA Solo II rules for Street Prepared and Street Touring (STX). I want my car to be legal for both classes so I have the option to run in either one. I selected the brands by reading reviews and which ones would produce the most HP/TQ gains and/or weight reduction.

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I did my dyno run at Passen Motorsports. They are a performance shop that do a lot of work on BMWs, however Iíll be doing the mods myself Ö heck, thatís half the fun.
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That is a sweet picture. Are you catching up or being passed...?

i know he said he was the passer.. but..

...kinda funny if you look at the picture a wee bit more closely.. i'm not sure if it's because his car is out of focus or whatever.. but his car seems to have more motion blur than the car he's passing.. which would indicate he's going faster.. hehe.
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...kinda funny if you look at the picture a wee bit more closely.. i'm not sure if it's because his car is out of focus or whatever.. but his car seems to have more motion blur than the car he's passing.. which would indicate he's going faster.. hehe.
The camera's angular rotation speed matches the E30's speed, which is why the E30 is fairly sharp. Micah's car could be going faster or slower than the E30 and we'd see the same effect on camera (the blur comes from relative speed difference between the object and camera, not from the ground-speed of the cars). Micah is probably blowing by the E30 in that picture.
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During the winter I plan to install the following:
- UUC TSE3 exhaust
- AFE cold air intake
- Rogue underdrive pulleys
- Lightweight wheels
- Software (if/when it becomes available for the ZHP)
nice selection of modifications...

i noticed you chose the AFE.. as it so happens.. i recently inquired the local superchips/eurobahn dealer for AZ about the MS45 chipset.... he said they have cracked/hacked the ecu and expect the software at the beginning of next year.. and the superchips/eurobahn tune their software for the AFE.. (they've already done it for the e46 M3).. which i'm guessing you know already since you've done research..

oh yea.. and great stock numbers.. i plan to dyno next month..

although it won't be stock.. it'll be AA gen 3 and RE pulleys as my power mods... my gruppem is gone ... .. still need to update my sig..
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