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Old 08-24-2019, 05:11 PM
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Misfire 7: Injection cut out

The car runs rough and I get the fault, "malfunction powertrain". I ran a test plan with ISTA software. I really got nowhere. I thought it was my ignition coil so I replaced number #7. First of all, not 100% sure 7 coil is 7. I believe it was the second closest to the driver (drivers side of engine). Can't find info on locations of cylinder layout. Second, I probably don't know how to use this software all that well to troubleshoot. I'm probably going to end up paying to get it diagnosed because I can't keep blindly replace parts. Attached is a screen shot of my faults last ran from test. Any assistances would be appreciated, thank you.
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Old 08-24-2019, 07:30 PM
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Did you have the CCP done and were the injectors replaced at that time? I think you should have an extended warranty on the injectors for 10 years/120K miles, so that is the problem, you should go back to the dealer and have it fixed under warranty.

Did you run the misfire test module? Before replacing anything, you can rule out the coil by swapping it to another cylinder and see if the misfire is still on #7.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:21 AM
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Did you have the CCP done and were the injectors replaced at that time? I think you should have an extended warranty on the injectors for 10 years/120K miles, so that is the problem, you should go back to the dealer and have it fixed under warranty.

Did you run the misfire test module? Before replacing anything, you can rule out the coil by swapping it to another cylinder and see if the misfire is still on #7.
CCP done? Don't know what you mean. I'm not sure I ran the actual misfire test. I ran a test plan on that fault, so probably. It ran a few test. When it got to the coil test, I needed some equipment I don't own. Some box, not sure where or how to hook that up, amp clamp, I own one of those. You asked if an injector replaced? I bought the car used 3 years ago, and no work was done since. My reports before purchased did not show anything like that had been done. I have no warranty, but are you saying it's a manufacture warranty to 10 years/or 120k miles? My car has 65k on it. I can easily move the new coil to other cylinders. Thank you!
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:32 AM
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What year is the car?

The N63 engine has an issue with the injectors, cracking crankcase vent hoses, and burning oil. There was a class action lawsuit and now BMW has a so called Customer Care Package or CCP. It's pretty much a recall but they didn't call it that. If your car is less than 10 years old you can take it to a dealer and they will have to fix issues with the injectors since they have an extended waranty up to 120k miles due to the lawsuit.
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Old 08-25-2019, 01:39 PM
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What year is the car?

The N63 engine has an issue with the injectors, cracking crankcase vent hoses, and burning oil. There was a class action lawsuit and now BMW has a so called Customer Care Package or CCP. It's pretty much a recall but they didn't call it that. If your car is less than 10 years old you can take it to a dealer and they will have to fix issues with the injectors since they have an extended waranty up to 120k miles due to the lawsuit.
Its 2012, N63 engine. I've notice since I did an oil change I've had to add oil twice, because it was a quart low. So I should call the dealer and ask if BMW will take care of this repair? Does my fault point to an injector issue for sure? Replacing injectors looks like a big job. Would they change all 8 injectors? Thanks!
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:07 PM
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Its 2012, N63 engine. I've notice since I did an oil change I've had to add oil twice, because it was a quart low. So I should call the dealer and ask if BMW will take care of this repair? Does my fault point to an injector issue for sure? Replacing injectors looks like a big job. Would they change all 8 injectors? Thanks!
Have the dealer check your VIN to see if the CCP has been done (there will also be a sticker on the driver's door jamb if it was done). Take a look here for more info:

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/20...57338-7462.pdf

It's just a guess about the injectors, as they are a common cause of drivetrain malfunction. There are multiple revisions of the injectors, so if they aren't the latest, the dealer will swap them out.
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:55 PM
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The car runs rough and I get the fault, "malfunction powertrain". I ran a test plan with ISTA software. I really got nowhere. I thought it was my ignition coil so I replaced number #7. First of all, not 100% sure 7 coil is 7. I believe it was the second closest to the driver (drivers side of engine). Can't find info on locations of cylinder layout. Second, I probably don't know how to use this software all that well to troubleshoot. I'm probably going to end up paying to get it diagnosed because I can't keep blindly replace parts. Attached is a screen shot of my faults last ran from test. Any assistances would be appreciated, thank you.
Bank 1 passenger side front to rear, 1, 2, 3, 5
Bank 2 Drivers side front to rear, 5, 6, 7, 8.

You should have INPA loaded on you PC, it works better when testing the cylinders & injectors with the engine running. You can run Analog, or Digital component test. You can not damage anything with INPA, it is just diagnostic Test.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:56 AM
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What I learned is my car has had the CCP ( customer service package) done in 2015. I had the dealership send me the report of service and they replaced all the injectors at that time along with many other parts except the timing chain. I'm hoping my problem is in a coil and/or spark plug. I'm going to run the INPA program and test those items.
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Check with the Dealer I would say - The 10 year 120K on the Injectors warranty which also covers labor is a no brainer.
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Old 08-27-2019, 05:41 AM
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Not sure what you saying here. I already checked and on the CCP service report injectors were replaced. Before knowing if they had been replaced or not I asked the dealer if the injectors HAD NOT been replaced would they replace them and he said no. Are you saying since they were replaced back in 2015 they would be covered under some manufacture warranty?
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Old 08-27-2019, 01:45 PM
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Injectors have a 10 year 120,000 miles warranty.
It does not matter if they have been replaced in the past. If they are bad again, then the Dealer will replace them free of cost and keep replacing them until the warranty period is over. I hope that clarifies.
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Old 08-28-2019, 06:19 PM
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UPDATE: Replaced all my spark plugs which were original I'm expecting based on how they looked and I had no record they were ever changed. My fault was cleared by the ISTA program and the car runs well again. So no injector issue, even though my fault reading through ISTA said number 7 injector misfire, it was a spark plug. I tried using the INPA program, but I couldn't get the program to run, it kept coming up with an error in German. Thanks for everyone input, much appreciated.
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Old 08-29-2019, 07:59 PM
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Just bypass all of the German warnings & go to the bottom of the screen. Start pressing the bottom buttons until you see the analog & digital keys come up. You can also see the engine smoothness data in ISTA, I think thru the Service Functions. I was playing with it the other day while working on my door handle problem. Glad you get her running better.
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