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Old 02-03-2014, 02:00 PM
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DHP in 435i M Sport Convertible

When I add DHP to my Build Your Own configuration I get the message that - doing so deletes the M Sport Suspension. So now I am a bit confused about which way to go. What exactly am I gaining and losing by adding DHP?
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Old 02-03-2014, 08:29 PM
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A dynamic suspension with some extra settings and dynamic steering. I didn't get DHP and am pleased with my suspension and handling but some people rave about DHP. Why not test drive with and without it and decide for yourself?
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Old 02-04-2014, 04:52 AM
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I am not sure what is meant by "extra settings" but will try to find out. I can not get demo cars to where the package would be of the most use to me - the mountain roads of North Carolina. The dynamic steering would be good to have but I am just not sure about the message - deletes the M Sport Suspension when I add the package. The price of the DHP package remains the same when I add it despite losing M Sport Suspension.
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Adding DHP deletes the M-Sport suspension part of the M-Sport package. You still get all the other M-Sport goodies, assuming you started with the M-Sport line. And yes, the DHP suspension is probably preferable over the fixed-setting M-sport suspension. You're losing nothing here, just gaining the adjustable dampers and settings of the DHP package. By all accounts, DHP is a superior suspension. Compliant when you want it, firm in sport settings, and adjustable to your preference.

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Old 02-04-2014, 05:13 AM
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Excellent information. Thank you.
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Old 02-04-2014, 08:14 PM
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I posted about this a while back, but almost all of the reviews from the Las Vegas 435i drive (Luxury line, standard suspension) said that the ride was really soft and prone to body roll.

'definitely not a sporting drive'.

That concerned me, but I've still got a deposit on one as I'm counting on the DHP to make the car far better.

Have you heard anything about the ride with DHP?
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:39 AM
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There was supposed to be a 435 convertible review by this forum but I still have not seen it. Otherwise it is hard to know much with just a few magazine reviews out there. I had my order in 11/23/14 but still do not have an allocation. I have been told there are launch models sitting at the ports but still not distributed to the dealers. I do not see how there can be a soft ride with DHP since it is all about suspension adjustments.
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The DHP sport setting will be roughly comparable to the standard m-sport suspension (assuming it's not an AWD, which does not have a non-adjustable sport suspension). With DHP in comfort mode, the ride will be noticeably more compliant.

Get DHP if you will regularly have passengers, or if you have a long boring commute. Skip it if you just drive solo and like a firm ride.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:19 AM
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I have some mountain road driving to do so a choice between comfort and sport depending on conditions sounds good to me.
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Don't know how it is on a 4 or a convertable. But on a 3er if you get msport and dph they just replace the dampers but you keep the msport springs. So if it is not xdrive you get a 10 mm drop. If u are getting xdrive then the car will always be 10 mm higher unless you get aftermarket springs. For an xdrive car most people say dph is a nessecity.
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My 2 cents. On an xDrive, your only two options are standard (wallowy) suspension or DHP. You only get the MSport suspension on a RWD. We have DHP on both our 328 xDrive wagon and our 535 xDrive sedan. In both cases the DHP is "better" than the standard suspension, but not "awesome". In contrast, the RWD 535 MSport I drove with the mechanical MSport suspension was SUPERB. Perfect blend of ride and handling, on a par with my E39 MTechnic and my E60 550. Not quite on a par with my M3, but much more buttoned down than the DHP. The MSport suspension is not harsh at all, and best of all it's "free".

With RWD I would definitely take the MSport suspension and forego the DHP - that money can be better spent elsewhere, like on Individual Merino leather. OTOH if you are going xDrive, DHP is pretty much a must have option.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:50 AM
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Perfect blend of ride and handling
My issue is I rarely have that blend of driving conditions. We live on coastal Carolina where it is often straight and flat (ride) and sometimes in the Carolina mountains (handling). I am thinking the more extreme choices might be better than the "perfect blend".
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Well it's your money and it's your choice. But if "flat" really means "flat", why do you need adjustable suspension? If you lived in New York and had to navigate pothole-cratered roads and frost heaves every day, I could understand. Rest assured the DHP will be no better in the mountains than the mechanical suspension. And if you don't need it for ride comfort, why spend the $$$ and have one more thing that can break?

The logical extension of your argument is this: buy a plush-riding Toyota for the coast, and a Miata / Z4 / Cayman / Elan / sportbike for the mountains.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:27 AM
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And if you don't need it for ride comfort
But I do and did not mean to imply otherwise. We are mid 60s and looking for comfort except for some of those foolish sporty moments we may steal. I realize I am not exactly in for a M car experience but throw me a bone here.
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Your argument rests on the assumption that a non-DHP car has a harsh ride. That's a bad assumption. Have you taken a DHP and a non-DHP for a test drive? Did you really find the non-DHP disagreeable?

In my (moderately extensive) experience, the biggest gains in comfort come from replacing the run-flat tires with non-RFT's, Michelin PSS's or the like. That will cost an awful lot less than ticking the DHP box.

My recommendation is to do a little real world research on your own before you fall victim to the marketing hype. You are not that old a dog, and new tricks should be within your reach.
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Old 02-08-2014, 04:36 AM
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Your argument rests on the assumption that a non-DHP car has a harsh ride. That's a bad assumption.
Now I guess I am getting more confused rather than less. I actually thought just the opposite - that DHP would provide the harsher (firmer) ride but I could turn it off by switching to comfort from sport. No I have not tried both.

And I like the the idea of RFT so I will not be changing that. No room for a spare tire.
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Gary, you really need to do some more research and back-to-back comparison drives. You started a thread about the 435 M Sport, and in your original post you inquired about the configurator stating that you'd lose M Sport suspension if you add DHP. (You will).

M Sport is the sportiest, nimblest suspension available for the 3 or 4 series, unless you step up to BMW M Performance suspension (installed at the port or by your dealer). Drive an M Sport without DHP. I think you will find it sublime, and not the least harsh for your needs. The DHP is a good option if (A.) you are getting xDrive, where M Sport suspension is not available, or (B.) you live in a place with crater-sized potholes, and there are times when you need a REALLY soft suspension. That does not appear to be your case.

Finally, don't be too quick to drink the RFT Kool-Aid. Every single M car comes with non-RFT tires from the factory. How many M3's, M5's, M6's, X5M's and X6M's have you seen stranded along the side of the road? Add to that the fact that there are hundreds, if not thousands, of us here who have ditched the run-flats. I spend a lot of time here and on the 5 Series and X5 boards, and I have never seen a single post that said "Wow, did I make a huge mistake switching to non-run-flats".

As I can attest from personal experience, RFT's are not the panacea the marketing folks would like you to believe. You can only drive a limited distance (+/- 50 miles, maybe less depending on your speed) on a deflated RFT. If you puncture one up in the mountains on a Sunday, what are you going to do? Try and find the nearest tire dealer, sleep in your car in the parking lot till they open Monday morning, then find out they can't have a tire shipped to them till Wednesday? At which time a new tire will cost you $400? (Remember that according to BMW, a RFT cannot be patched. So something as pedestrian as picking up a nail can be very expensive).

From what you have indicated in your prior posts, I suggest that the "best" solution for you is the no-added-cost M Sport suspension, and switching to non-RFT tires if you want to soften the ride. By definition, anything you decide will be a compromise, but you really should take some test drives, rather than relying on internet advice.
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:41 AM
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Since my dealer can not seem to come up with an allocation I have time to try some test rides. From what I read it can be tough to find all the choices in one place but I will try.
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