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Old 12-22-2016, 06:18 PM
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2009 X3 vs. MLK350 vs. Q5

We have an appointment to go see a private party's Q5 tomorrow and if it checks out we may pull the trigger but I'm just trying to do some last-minute research here.

Anyone experienced/knowledgeable enough to chime on how the 2009 X3 compares to the Mercedes ML350 and Audi Q5? These are the 3 vehicles that we've been considering. Purchase is for my folks -- both retired, won't be doing a whole lot of driving but I'd like them to be comfortable nonetheless. They also golf so ample cargo space for 2 golf bags is a must.

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Old 12-22-2016, 10:16 PM
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I doubt any of us own all three to offer you a comparison.

The 2009 X3 is fine. It's a car that is not particularly advanced being based on the 1998 7 series, there's no A2DP, the navigation is slow with expensive map discs, and there's no keyless and so on. Make sure the sunroof shows no signs of struggling to move and that if it is over 60-80k miles that there's no significant clunks from under the car as you drove down speed to enter parking lots. All problems are fixable. A sunroof replacement is $3k in parts, most people love it closed IF it fails. A transfer gear repair is about $150 in parts and a few hours labour. And a new set of tyres. All AWD cars need a set of matching radius and compound tyres.
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:30 PM
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I doubt any of us own all three to offer you a comparison.

The 2009 X3 is fine. It's a car that is not particularly advanced being based on the 1998 7 series, there's no A2DP, the navigation is slow with expensive map discs, and there's no keyless and so on. Make sure the sunroof shows no signs of struggling to move and that if it is over 60-80k miles that there's no significant clunks from under the car as you drove down speed to enter parking lots. All problems are fixable. A sunroof replacement is $3k in parts, most people love it closed IF it fails. A transfer gear repair is about $150 in parts and a few hours labour. And a new set of tyres. All AWD cars need a set of matching radius and compound tyres.
Thank you for taking the time to reply, joylove, I appreciate it. Any tidbits of information, even if not directly in comparison with the other non-bimmers, is much welcomed and valuable too.
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Old 12-23-2016, 11:36 AM
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X3, not so good.

I changed the TC fluid and lost the AWD, ABS, and airbags. I had no problems or lights until I did some PM...then the car went to ****e. The X3 is a delicate little snowflake...I would avoid unless you like throwing money and time at it. Everything can be solved with money.
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Old 12-23-2016, 12:47 PM
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I changed the TC fluid and lost the AWD, ABS, and airbags. I had no problems or lights until I did some PM...then the car went to ****e. The X3 is a delicate little snowflake...I would avoid unless you like throwing money and time at it. Everything can be solved with money.
YMMV. It sounds like there is something going on there. Is your battery good? Low voltages cause problems like that.

For comparison, I've been driving my 07 for 64k miles (bought it at 75k). I do all the old school maintenance, and replaced the waterpump / tstat preemptively. I've had to replace the valve cover gasket and the vanos solenoids as repairs. That's it. These are pretty solid for a german car.
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Old 12-23-2016, 06:19 PM
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My thoughts would be the E83 x3 is the last generation of a very old platform. It's very difficult to compare it to the 2nd gen ml and late entry q5.
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Old 12-23-2016, 10:40 PM
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Q5 hands down. If it's still under warranty, even better.
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Old 12-24-2016, 09:27 AM
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Thanks everyone! The Q5 we looked at yesterday didn't pan out. There were a few other minor things, but the PPI revealed an oil leak around the valve cover gaskets and timing covers. The indy quoted a little over $2k for the repair, but the seller was only willing to come down $1k from his original asking price, which was $1k more than market to begin with.

The one thing I'm skittish about with the X3s is what I keep hearing about the ride being stiff and uncomfortable (due to the seats too). I had originally removed the GLK from our consideration as its price point (used) didn't seem to be that much different from the ML considering everything additional the ML has to offer. I might just have to add it back into consideration though, since the ML might be too much car for my folks.
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Old 12-24-2016, 10:20 AM
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2009 X3 vs. MLK350 vs. Q5

just one point of clarification. the E83 is based on the 3series, not the 7 series.
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Old 12-24-2016, 11:01 AM
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Old 12-24-2016, 12:31 PM
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Best do some research for the exact model, engine and gearbox you want and decide which potential problems you are prepared to cope with and which you want to avoid completely. e.g. Mercedes of a certain vintage used sintered metal for the cam chain sprockets which could crumble and completely trash the engine.
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Old 12-24-2016, 01:44 PM
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just one point of clarification. the E83 is based on the 3series, not the 7 series.
The E38 was the genesis of the platform. E83 has a lot of E46xi in it for sure. Some E85 too.
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Old 12-25-2016, 03:25 PM
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We have an appointment to go see a private party's Q5 tomorrow and if it checks out we may pull the trigger but I'm just trying to do some last-minute research here.

Anyone experienced/knowledgeable enough to chime on how the 2009 X3 compares to the Mercedes ML350 and Audi Q5? These are the 3 vehicles that we've been considering. Purchase is for my folks -- both retired, won't be doing a whole lot of driving but I'd like them to be comfortable nonetheless. They also golf so ample cargo space for 2 golf bags is a must.

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Which Dealer do they live the closest to and how much extra money do they have for repairs? With the X3 some people have paid approximately $2-3k per year for repairs, it is not uncommon.
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Old 12-25-2016, 11:29 PM
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$2k for valve cover leak fixes? Get on a Q5 forum and check if that's accurate if you use a local independent specialist garage.
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Old 01-16-2017, 01:47 AM
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Thanks everyone for the very helpful insights and advice! I just wanted to share an update. It was quite a process indeed, but we finally got our car on Saturday -- a 2011 GLK350. The Q5 was originally at the top of our list, but after gathering more information about all the cars we were considering, my conclusion was that the Q5 would be great brand new but not with >60k miles with no warranty. The ML is too big and the X3 is too stiff. The GLK seemed the right mix of safety, ride comfort, and reliability.

We ended up seeing 5 different cars (and getting 4.5 of them inspected) over the course of the last 3 weeks (dealing with both private parties and dealers). I wasn't particularly optimistic about this car going into the inspection, but everything panned out and I am glad the adventure is now over.
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Old 01-16-2017, 07:48 PM
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Thanks for the update! I've been thinning of the GLK to replace our X3, but I'm one of those people that needs *every* option so I want one with the Distronic Plus offered in the last 2 years and that option seems to be beyond rare to the point of impossible to find.
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The GLK would be a great option if had with the diesel.


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Needs two more cylinders though. The 4 pot is a bit agricultural compared to the silky 6 pot.
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We have an 09 X3, daughter has a`12 GLK350, two different worlds. I much prefer the Bimmer, despite cleaning the VANOS solenoids at 60K and changing the starter at 66K. The GLK to me has too much bling and would appeal to the older person. LOL and I'm 70. She does tease me about not having a dipstick, one of the BIMMER things that tick me off. There's more but I wouldn't trade it for a Benz
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Aren't this DWS 06's phenomenal tires for all seasons? I have them on mine. I think that's the 5th set of DWS line tires I've bought, and I continue to be impressed.
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By far, these are truly one of the best tires on the market today. I have had these on three cars and three relatives cars as well. I just picked up a set of BMW style 193 18"wheels for our 335i and will be replacing the 17"BMW style 161 wheels and bridgestones.
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Needs two more cylinders though. The 4 pot is a bit agricultural compared to the silky 6 pot.


Agreed, such is the physics of the inherently unbalanced inline 4 vs the inherently balanced inline 6.


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