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Old 02-19-2014, 03:13 PM
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:16 PM
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My friend and I were just talking about what car we'd buy if we win the lottery.....this. Except I find it weird that it has everything imaginable except a good sound system. Doesn't even have tweeters on the door panels lol. Not like you'd ever need a radio in that car.

And Joey, your car looks great with those tires. Glad you wound up liking them!
Yeah I haven't pushed them hard yet, I gotta scrub off that greasy outer layer. I drove it as hard as I dared last night given the roads were wet, it was 36* and I was on spanking new summer tires and they seemed perfectly fine, but I'll have to wait for a warmer and dryer day to get a feel for how they really perform.

I did give it a fraction too much throttle turning right from a stop sign and the ass started to rotate on me, probably just because of how soggy and sandy the roads are, I lifted out of it and just behaved myself, i didn't want to park it ass first in a ditch after finally getting it sorted.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:17 PM
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Not sure why they would use non vanos, seems pretty dumb to me. Less power, less power adders made for them, more rare, small engine, the list goes on.



What motor is in it now?




There are zero advantages, literally. Harder to tune because no one does it.



Meh, that's kinda correct. It keeps the valves from floating but you cannot rev M50 based engines higher than 7200 rpm reliably. The crank harmonics are the problem and there hasn't been a solution yet. ATI started making dampers for them, but they aren't proven as of now.
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Jesse, what happened to your apostrophes? Buried under a pile of snow?


Joey, your car is looking so great. You might not be able to appreciate it because you are so close to the day-to-day frustration, but the car karma gods are staring down on you and smiling.

Karl, how is the new job going?
The stock 2.7 eta engine, only has 148,000 miles on it though.

I guess so Jen lol.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:41 PM
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I wouldn't bother with an M50 unless you needed an engine or wanted to build it. I'd go for at least a 2.8 liter otherwise it won't be much faster.

I'm hoping my little 318 with an M52 with mods will be pretty quick.

Since I'm on that topic, just ordered a ZF tranny for it for 200 bucks shipped.

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Old 02-19-2014, 04:52 PM
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ITBs aren't going to add any power, just complexity.
troof...

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Try telling that to BMW. Actually what I find complicated is doing what you're doing. Then again you do have a turbo...
setting up itb's in a non factory application is a lot more complicated than it appears. even more so with an itb with carbs....

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I will tell them all day that ITBs won't add power to any M50 based engine. The reason the Euro M3 and S54 make much more power than M50 based engines is because:

The heads are much higher flowing

Dual vanos

Higher rpm limit
this is why the itb's "make more power".....


but they do look ubber cool!!

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What should be replaced when I replace my clutch?


but yeah, why skimp on the sound system??


and on a proper clutch job, apparently everything. bmw recommends replacing the flywheel and pressure plate bolts as well.






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Old 02-19-2014, 05:40 PM
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I recommend replacing the pressure plate bolts just because they tend to strip quite easily, and always seem to hold up the project.
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Old 02-19-2014, 06:23 PM
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Oh, and Joey, thanks for posting that gorgeous, gorgeous car. Mauritius is one of my top 3 favorite colors....and it looks perfecto on an e36. So yummy.
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Karl, how is the new job going?
Hey Jen, thanks for asking! It's going pretty well so far. Very busy... I walked into an office that is currently in the middle of being slammed with all sorts of tasks with very tight deadlines. The result is that my supervisor hasn't had much time (hardly any) to work with me on projects and bring me up to speed. So I've been plugging away on various tasks, slowly making sense of it all along the way. Things should relax a bit in the next few weeks, and then we're bringing more staff on board, which will help. My supervisor, who is an extremely kind and hard working person, apologized to me today because she has had so little time available to integrate me into the organization. That's how it goes, though... Gotta hit the ground running!

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Meh, that's kinda correct. It keeps the valves from floating but you cannot rev M50 based engines higher than 7200 rpm reliably. The crank harmonics are the problem and there hasn't been a solution yet. ATI started making dampers for them, but they aren't proven as of now.
Yep, such is the difficulty of straight-6 engines. The cranks are so freakin' long that it makes mitigating crank harmonic issues a serious challenge.

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Soooo I'm getting a set of these for the 128 next weekend:



Eep.
I heartily approve! Very nice choice.

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Karl, look. The second you buy an exhaust. https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=754040
Yeah, I don't have an M3, but my 328 is nice enough that they might at least consider it. Hard to say this far out if I'll be able to do B'Fest West this year, though. It would require tons of time off.

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Old 02-19-2014, 08:15 PM
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^ Watched that video when I got home today. If that is the future of supercars, then I say make them all "hybrids". Plus Chris Harris can properly drive. I love watching him flog a car.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:33 PM
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My friend and I were just talking about what car we'd buy if we win the lottery.....this. Except I find it weird that it has everything imaginable except a good sound system. Doesn't even have tweeters on the door panels lol. Not like you'd ever need a radio in that car.

And Joey, your car looks great with those tires. Glad you wound up liking them!
Ya that is strange, it doesn't have digital climate control either.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:56 PM
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because digital was 96 and up, this was built in 94.

and appears to be a prototype....

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Karl, look. The second you buy an exhaust. https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=754040
Holy smokes, Lindsay is gorgeous! I need to work at Borla.

Edit: 2/10. She cannot spell. She is also short, drives a Mustang, and has no concept of online privacy.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:06 PM
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Karl, look. The second you buy an exhaust. https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=754040
Would you guys believe Alex Borla is on my Facebook friend's list?

Check out our chat:

January 25th, 11:22pm
Hi Mr. Borla! thank you for accepting my friend request. I must say that I am a very big fan of your exhaust system on my BMWs. I must say that I am very honored.


January 29th, 9:59pm

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Hi, good evening

Harry keep up the good work, it is passion that fuels all of us.

Haha, no, thank you sir. I love your exhaust system.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:09 PM
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Ya the first I head of that was on the newer McLaren F1, there is a new Porche...928??? That is a hybrid as well, and can apparently get over 80mpg. Not sure if it uses the hybrid motors as a boost like the McLaren's do.
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:17 PM
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I thought it was boots 'n cats.
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Ya the first I head of that was on the newer McLaren F1, there is a new Porche...928??? That is a hybrid as well, and can apparently get over 80mpg. Not sure if it uses the hybrid motors as a boost like the McLaren's do.
It's the McLaren P1 (the F1 was from the '90s), and it's the Porsche 918 that you're referring to - also a hybrid.

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Old 02-19-2014, 11:24 PM
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Well for whatever reason, the article I saw didn't picture the P1, but the McLaren MP4-12C, but nothing I can find mentions it being a hybrid so I guess the P1 is the only hybrid one they made.
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:02 AM
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How would you get that to the states?
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Karl, look. The second you buy an exhaust. https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=754040
It would cost Karl more in gas money/hotel bill to drive to SoCal and back to get his "free" exhaust system than it cost for the OBX....LOL

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Not sure why they would use non vanos, seems pretty dumb to me. Less power, less power adders made for them, more rare, small engine, the list goes on.
Meh, that's kinda correct. It keeps the valves from floating but you cannot rev M50 based engines higher than 7200 rpm reliably. The crank harmonics are the problem and there hasn't been a solution yet. ATI started making dampers for them, but they aren't proven as of now.
If you're building a race only motor, you could go with a really aggressive cam set up and have as much or more intake/exhaust overlap as you do when the vanos is enabled in a vanos engine. Your minimum idle speed would be 1200-1500 rpm and even then the engine would need to be revved periodically due to fuel build up in the cylinders. It would perform well on the track but would be nearly unusable in a street car.

On the valve springs and solid lifters, I was commenting generically. Trying to turn high rpms on any reciprocating engine, valve float is the first issue you have to solve, then ring flutter comes next. Both of these effects are immediate and occur the first time you hit the critical rpm threshold. Balance dynamics are a reliability/longevity issue. It won't bite you the first time you hit 9K rpms, but it will bite you eventually. Even after you solve the balance dynamics issue, you have to deal with the accelerated wear issue. it's non-linear and increases exponentially with rpms. This is one of those "back in my day" stories, but back before turbos were common place on passenger cars, they were hard to buy if you had the money, and ridiculously expensive regardless. Superchargers were similar. To get a used SC it was typically off of a marine diesel engine and usually needed a full rebuild to be usable. The only option we had to get more HP was aggressive cams, big carbs, and ridiculous rpms to take advantage of them. It wasn't unusual for us to turn small block V8s 10k rpms and big blocks 8K rpms. To keep those engines alive the rod bearings got changed with every oil change, and the mains got changed about every 4 oil changes. Oil change intervals were typically no more than 1K miles.
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