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Old 07-23-2007, 10:34 AM
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I'm always amazed at the list price of the BMW tools, although it makes some sense given the small potential market. *Insert your own BMW conspiracy theory here*

Just out of curiosity, what is a ballpark figure for the plethora of special BMW tools needed for this job?
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I'm always amazed at the list price of the BMW tools, although it makes some sense given the small potential market. *Insert your own BMW conspiracy theory here*

Just out of curiosity, what is a ballpark figure for the plethora of special BMW tools needed for this job?
I honestly don't remember. I bought the slide hammer and two of the drifts so long ago that Randy had been using the slide hammer for other things for a while. I think the set of three drifts for the 5th/reverse work was about $75. You can of course just look it up online.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:29 PM
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Bummer. Hopefully I won't be replacing the bushings annually. Were the bushings installed correctly? It looks to me like it's pretty important that they're oriented correctly (split should be to the side of the transmission, not fore or aft). One of the reasons I decided to not let the dealer do it.
Since the dealer did the work... Who knows. I can deal with it so far since my commnute is short and I don't deal with stop and go traffic much. I will probably have to have the work done again by a reputable independent shop. Good to know about the split orientation. Thanks for bringing it up.
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Old 07-25-2007, 11:02 AM
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I guess I was wrong about feeling a difference. I haven't driven the car much, since I'm in the middle of a multi-day detailing. However, on Monday when I pulled the car back in the garage, it was much easier to get it into 1st gear than it used to be with a cold transmission. I wasn't thinking about it, but got the "whoa, that was easier than usual" feeling. Keep in mind that I was having trouble with the 1st/2nd pin already... your experience may vary. It struck me unexpectedly, so I had to repeat it a few times just to be sure. It's definitely easier getting into 1st and 2nd gear now. Let's hope it stays that way at least until I'm due for a new clutch.
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I didn't quite understand the way to orient the bushing splits . could you clarify what they mean in the work instruction when they say in the direction of travel? you said to have the split to the side of the tranny. left or right?
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I didn't quite understand the way to orient the bushing splits . could you clarify what they mean in the work instruction when they say in the direction of travel? you said to have the split to the side of the tranny. left or right?
My guess is... See the split in the bushing in this picture:



That split needs to be oriented towards the side of the tranny (looking from above or below). Bad ASCII diagram:


| front
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Old 07-25-2007, 04:18 PM
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My guess is... See the split in the bushing in this picture:



That split needs to be oriented towards the side of the tranny (looking from above or below). Bad ASCII diagram:


| front
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| = bushing split
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| rear
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side of tranny
Split is barely visible at the left side of the bore:

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The fifth gear problem has made itself an irritation on my 2000 M Roadster with 50k miles.

Of course my car is well outside the 6 year CPO warranty.

The December 2006 cut-off date published by BMW has expired.

Has anyone had recent success getting BMW NA to make the repair without charge?
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Do you have a kit for the 3 pins/bushings and 2 kits 23.11.7.542.726 for the 5th and rev gears? Do you have the drifts 23 3 110 and 23 2 360. For the 5th/reverse locking pin bushings you need drift 23 4 022 and 23 4 023.?

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Do you have a kit for the 3 pins/bushings and 2 kits 23.11.7.542.726 for the 5th and rev gears? Do you have the drifts 23 3 110 and 23 2 360. For the 5th/reverse locking pin bushings you need drift 23 4 022 and 23 4 023.?

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Wow, thats really cool.

So my 5 speed leaks fluid from the shifter input shaft. What kinda work would that be to fix?
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Wow, thats really cool.

So my 5 speed leaks fluid from the shifter input shaft. What kinda work would that be to fix?
Not too bad...







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I just completed the Shift pin service and boy does it make a difference. Selecting 1st gear at a light was always a chore. Now it just slips right in there.


I had a local shop machine the required drifts to specs that were posted on the board.



I then manufactured a slide hammer to remove the caps.


I must say that this service is a little more effort than I expected. The 3 top pins were very simple but the 5th and Reverse where a bit more trouble.

The reverse pin came out with no trouble but the 5th gear pin took quite some work to get it out.

The old sleaves were also quite a bit of work to remove. I almost managed to get one to slide further into the gearbox before getting it out and you really need to hammer on the drifts to drive the new sleaves into place.

Tip for putting the 5th and reverse caps on..tap them part way into place then put the clip on top and then continue to drive the cap home.

I found that these plastic covered caps would not seat until the clip was there to hold them. otherwise they just pop back out a bit.
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I'm curious about the double-ended drifts; when you hammer on them, don't you damage the end? Maybe use a lead (knock-off) hammer?
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How'd your 5th and reverse pins look? Either one of them visibly deformed like one of mine? At the time I had wished I had bought new ones. Next time (at clutch replacement).

Yes, the plastic caps want to spring out. We just held them in while installing the snap rings.
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The double ended drifts worked fine. I used a plastic malet with no problems. Though I did deform the end of one of them when I picked up a metal hammer by accident. Luckly it was the end to put the metal caps in so I can just file it back to shape.

I suspect if I ever was to get another set made up I would make them single ended. I was not expecting to had to use so much force to drive the parts in.
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How'd your 5th and reverse pins look? Either one of them visibly deformed like one of mine? At the time I had wished I had bought new ones. Next time (at clutch replacement).
Pins did not look deformed and I did replace them.

5th gear pin did have an odd wear pattern - i'll try and post a pic.
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Old 06-23-2008, 11:44 AM
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I plan to do the shift catch pin job in the next week or so and was wondering if anyone would be willing to rent out their bmw slide hammer tool or all the tools for that matter? I dont have a problem buying the other tools new from the dealer but the slide tool is nearly $80 now and I dont know if it is absolutely necessary for the job. Just looking to cut the costs a bit.

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Just completed the catch pin job. I was able to order all the parts and 1 tool from my local dealer. The 23 3 110 tool for installing the bushings was not available anywhere in the world. So when I went to pickup the parts at the dealer I brought the transmission with me and asked if I could borrow the shops bushing tool. No problem they said (it had never even been removed from the plastic bag) and 5 min later I had the new bushings installed.

To get the sealing caps off I punched a hole in each of them, screwed in a long screw, attached vice grips to screw and pulled. Out they came with no issues!

Thanks for the great writeup Randy and DWM. Could not have done it without it!

If anyone is interested, I have the sealing cap drift tool available for sale for $30 bucks shipped.

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Did you also do the bushings on the side (under the blu-green caps) or just the ones on the top?

Nice time to to ask, huh?
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Did you also do the bushings on the side (under the blu-green caps) or just the ones on the top?

Nice time to to ask, huh?
Yes I did those 2 winters ago...gives you an idea of how long my 332ti project is taking me!
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Hey Randy,
In you experience, how often/how soon do the shift pins stick? Is this a "case by case" maintenance or a "periodic/scheduled" maintenance for transmissions? i.e. does this happen eventually in every BMW?

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