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Old 09-22-2018, 10:43 AM
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2016 740i or 2015 750Li

I will probably post this is this section as well as the newer. I would say the 15 is equipped a little better, it has the M-Sport package. Both have just about everything else. Milage is low on both, 15k on the 16 and 24k on the 15. Price is about $8k less on the 15.

My question is, do you guys think the upgrades they did in 16 would make the 740 a better car? Or would the bigger engine M Sport make that one a better buy? I am coming out of a 2011 Panamera 4s so I am trading in a more sporty drive with better handling for more space and a quieter ride. The Panny will be faster than the 740, probably about equal to the 750 unless I tune it.

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Old 09-22-2018, 12:39 PM
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If you're looking for a reliable car and plan on keeping it after the warranty expires, the 740i will be a better choice. Even though 2016 was the first model year, most of the issues seem to be related to the N63R engine in the 2016 750i. On the other hand, the N63T in the 2013-2015 models do have some issues with oil consumption though it's mostly early build engines.

The main challenge with buying a used 740i is that there are a lot of options that come standard on the 750i that are options on the 740i, like nappa leather. Usually, most 740i's aren't ordered with as many options as 750i's, though occasionally I would come across one that is well-optioned (but likely still missing a package or option that I would want). Individual options like nappa leather (which affects the entire interior and also adds the leather dashboard) or ceramic controls are hard to come by on a 740i, but if you've had these options before, it's hard to go back to dakota leather or standard controls.

On the G12, the 740i cannot be ordered with the Icon Adaptive LED headlights, which uses optics for the low beam (instead of reflectors like on the Adaptive LED headlights on the 740i) and are standard on the 750i. These headlights have a very good beam pattern, but the reflectors on the 740i don't create such as well defined beam and probably have less output due to optical losses. The Icon Adaptive LED headlights do look cooler though, especially with the turn signal on top (like the LED headlights on the 2013-2015 models). I probably care about LED lighting much more than the average person though.
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Old 09-22-2018, 01:05 PM
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Thanks. Exactly the kind of info I am looking for.

As for the Engine in the 750, that is just a de-tuned version of what is in my '14 M6 I think. So far, it have been great but it only has 12,000 miles on it.

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Old 09-22-2018, 10:45 PM
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2016 740i is what I would choose. No long story or stupid little LED light reasons as to why I would or would not buy it. It is the newer body style and has plenty of power.
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Old 09-23-2018, 06:12 AM
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Short answer: Buy the 750 with MSport. 2WD over XDrive if at all possible.

Long answer:

Don't know if your Porsche had much power or a turbo/lag, but I suspect it handles & stops really well.

Man I sure miss my 997.2 SCab

Normally I'd just go for the latest model the budget fit if power/handling we're the same or close.

Having no time behind a '16 740 other than the 10 minute test drive I don't have much feedback on it's "fun factor".

It was exactly the color, carbon black and parchment (I forgot the name) interior, MSport plus a few other packages. The '16s were just out and there was limited data available.

After that drive I looked for and finally found a '15 750 in same colors and same packages sans rear seat limo treatment with armrest controls, entertainment etc., at the right price and being a CPO.

MSRP was $105k I think and with only 24k on it was able to buy it for $47k. Seemed like a steal.

I had never owned such a large car. I've had SUVs and trucks but all my cars were sports, muscle or economy. Even prior sedans were midsize.

All this is part of my answer, sorry for long winded aspect.

So, while I love the looks (the short trunk, long hood, stance, amazingly long lines along the side and on and on) I find the performance to be the shortcoming.

I can't help it but I love to push my cars. 60% of the time I'm driving in a relaxed mode, only occasionally pushing it to 75% of it's capabilities. For this type of in town or highway driving it is perfect. Great car.

However, when I really want to push and hustle the car the results are not great or good for much of it.

Granted it's an XDrive so there's plenty of understeer. I did source a set of BMW (2WD, staggered version) wheels and installed a set of wider summer Michelins.

I was expecting the results I got. So the car is doing it's thing.

Don't know if you are looking at 2 or 4 wheel drive but the 2 should be more sporty if that makes a difference.

There's really not much you can do, it's a very long wheelbase heavy car. Yes, one can spend the $ to lower, stiffen and make it more responsive but that might be expensive and still come up shirt or over compensate and ruin the ride.

Lastly, I'm still a NA or supercharger guy at heart. Waiting for most turbos is a real drag for me. I've driven the AMG 4 liter turbo in a GTs, they totally nailed turbo lag. Now that's an amazing motor, it's only got a miniscule lag. I still really like the BMW 4.4 but there really is no comparison.

Lastly, the brakes are just a little on the under inspiring side.no fade yet, but they don't bite the same way as my other BMWs and performance cars do.

Maybe it's just the weight. Probably after warranty (I've got to check if brake pads are covered in maintenance parts, if not I might swap front pads out right away) is up I'd switch to a performance pads. That will probably do the trick.

For me, I made the right choice, the 750 gives the grunt, 480 lb/ft is huge and I love it. I love the ability to switch between Sport + all the way down to Comfort +. My 750 is like a missle, point it and you are suddenly right there.

Quick, silent, comfortable and it does shrink when you stand on it. Car feels like it gets smaller. How much of this can be attributed to the MSport is anyone's guess. My upgrade to summer tires did make a difference in handling confidence. No big difference in braking that I could tell.

I'd prefer the new styling but love the old one too.

I'd go with the MSport and 2 WD in either year if I could have the one I wanted. At the time of my purchase last year, $47k for my car felt like a smoking deal. Should have waited to find same color, MSport 750 without XDrive.
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:07 AM
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Get the 740 and tune it. You can add 30-50 horsepower easy
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Old 09-23-2018, 11:18 AM
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[QUOTE=M6 in Bama;12741137]I will probably post this is this section as well as the newer. I would say the 15 is equipped a little better, it has the M-Sport package. Both have just about everything else. Milage is low on both, 15k on the 16 and 24k on the 15. Price is about $8k less on the 15.

My question is, do you guys think the upgrades they did in 16 would make the 740 a better car? Or would the bigger engine M Sport make that one a better buy? I am coming out of a 2011 Panamera 4s so I am trading in a more sporty drive with better handling for more space and a quieter ride. The Panny will be faster than the 740, probably about equal to the 750 unless I tune it.

Get the 750 and save $8K, if you keep it past 2019 get a $3K extended warranty and you would still be on top. Yeah the 750 has bigger engine and has more issues (it's a more complex car so naturally) but if your going to go 7 you go either 750 or 760. . If you want V6, got down to 5 series and save more than $8K and get better options
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Ď16 740 G12, all day long. BMW knows how to build a proper 6 cylinder. The 8s not so much. V12s again (2) 6s (their sweet spot). Head over to the g12 forum and ask if their 6s are buggy.


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Old 09-23-2018, 01:49 PM
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Yes to building a 6 for sure. They are amazing, I've had several, going back as far as my '72 3.0 CS up to the one I had in my '11 535. Silky, powerful and dependable.

On the 8, I'd disagree. My '15 750 (don't know motor number) is a gem. Loaded with decent sized turbos gives it big power but also is very refined. I also have an E53, a '06 X5 4.8is. NA V8 with 350hp/369tq and that is one of my favorite motors. Ever.

Sounds amazing, smooth power and great powerband. Small oil consumption since near new but some of the best high performance engines burn some. Never something to worry about.

Maybe there are V8s with chronic oil issues or other problems. I wouldn't know about that but I disagree that BMW doesn't produce great V8 engines. Just not true.
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Keep looking. Personally Id get the new body the f01s have been out since 09 def getting old. 16 youll have the new body for a while. the 750 motor has been a terd since it came out be sure to have warty. Better yet go drive a nice cpo s550 and see how that stacks up.
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Old 09-23-2018, 02:06 PM
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No such thing as a V6 from BMW. Maybe you meant to say inline 6. Otherwise, you don't know much about BMWs and your advice might not be accurate. Sorry.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:04 AM
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Thanks guys. I drove both and I like the '16 740i better. It is so much lighter and I really like the new iDrive better as well. Neither car is in the same league as the Panamera for handling, but if I want to go play in the twisties or push it to the limit, I have the M6 which is far better than any of them.

Good discussion, haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I like the way it is optioned, has only 16,000 miles, one owner lease return car, CPO good until April of 2021 or 2022 if I decide to pay for it. Sill looking, but that one is something I could live with pretty easily.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:15 AM
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Nice, either way you would have a great car. As said by you or others, you've got a car that will look new for several years, the changes from my gen are significant on multiple levels. The fender vents are cool, the front and rear trim is very cool but still classic and the interior is on a new level.

I'd be curious about your experiences after about a month with the new car. Commenting that it feels lighter probably makes it more fun to drive.

While I love my 750, I wish it was more fun in the handling and stopping side.

Good luck & enjoy!
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I am probably the only lunatic that tracks his 750li but I would love to take on a Panamera on the track, I have the active roll stabilization and the 4 wheel steering along with the Msport package and $15k worth of dinan, but it is amazing on the track. An M3 with a really good driver can take me, but it won't be easy and if you aren't at the top of your game, I will run you down. Every instructor I have at each HPDE event I enter starts out with poor expectations, but end up saying WOW! What this thing is capable of is incredible when you push it. For Brakes go to the EBC yellow stuff.
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Yes to building a 6 for sure. They are amazing, I've had several, going back as far as my '72 3.0 CS up to the one I had in my '11 535. Silky, powerful and dependable.

On the 8, I'd disagree. My '15 750 (don't know motor number) is a gem. Loaded with decent sized turbos gives it big power but also is very refined. I also have an E53, a '06 X5 4.8is. NA V8 with 350hp/369tq and that is one of my favorite motors. Ever.

Sounds amazing, smooth power and great powerband. Small oil consumption since near new but some of the best high performance engines burn some. Never something to worry about.

Maybe there are V8s with chronic oil issues or other problems. I wouldn't know about that but I disagree that BMW doesn't produce great V8 engines. Just not true.


Itís more then oil issues. Others will agree as another post below calls the v8 a turd. BTW the N63 engine is on itís 3rd technical update. 2018s come with the N63TU3.




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I had a 2018 740i for a loner for 30 days and a 2018 750i for a loaner for 35 days. The 740 is way underpowered and really wasn't that fun to drive. I enjoyed the gains in fuel economy but it had very little get up and go. Granted this wasn't an M, just a regular, it didn't have any spunk even in sport mode. Now the 750i was an m-sport and it had plenty of get up and go in any situation. It was by far more enjoyable and great to drive. I must say even though I can't move up to the new body style right now the new interior and i-drive are vastly improved.
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I had a 2018 740i for a loner for 30 days and a 2018 750i for a loaner for 35 days. The 740 is way underpowered and really wasn't that fun to drive. I enjoyed the gains in fuel economy but it had very little get up and go. Granted this wasn't an M, just a regular, it didn't have any spunk even in sport mode. Now the 750i was an m-sport and it had plenty of get up and go in any situation. It was by far more enjoyable and great to drive. I must say even though I can't move up to the new body style right now the new interior and i-drive are vastly improved.
Wow 2 7 loaners.. Where was this? Everytime I go to my dealer I can never get the 7 Series loaner. They only have one and it's always gone. I also live in a very Posh neighborhood so you would think they have more than one.
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Yes, this is at the one south of Houston in Clear Lake. The 740 had paper plates and 300 miles and the 750 had dealer plates and 900 miles. My wife says they are trying to reel me in to upgrade....
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Yes, this is at the one south of Houston in Clear Lake. The 740 had paper plates and 300 miles and the 750 had dealer plates and 900 miles. My wife says they are trying to reel me in to upgrade....
When I had my 2012 750 I scheduled a service appointment and a salesman called me and offered me a current gen 740. Had it for a whole weekend. Smart move to get someone to upgrade.
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