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E70 X5 M and E71 X6 M (2010 - 2015)
The BMW X5 M and X6 M are the first xDrive all-wheel-drive vehicles from M GmbH. The M variants offers the same utility as the regular X5 and X6, with the addition of the V8 M TwinPower Turbo, a twin-turbocharged 4.4-liter V8 delivering 560 horsepower and 500 lb·ft of torque.

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Old 10-02-2013, 06:27 PM
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Hi Guys-

After much deliberation I think I narrowed down my first M to either the X5 M or X6 M. I'm leaning towards the X6 M and was curious if there's an upcoming body change on either model. I'm willing to wait for the style change to have the latest and greatest in either model. What are everyone's thoughts on either vehicle?

The reason I was leaning towards the X6 M is because I'm under the assumption that this drives more like a sedan. Am I totally wrong on this?

Are these models best leased or bought and is it best told hold onto the M's or sell them after a few years and upgrade?

Thank you in advance for everyone's help!
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:49 AM
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The 2014 X5 is a totally redesigned platform. I haven't heard about the X6. The M version probably won't be had until the 15 models come out.

To me, there is little ride difference between the X5m and the X6m. The back seats on the x6m are much less usefull and people hit their heads getting in and out quite frequently. Also, the sunroof is much smaller in the x6m.

I chose the x5M for useability. It is amazing how well it handles and how similar it was to my old e60 m5. I never feel worried about going into a corner hard or braking hard.

It really depends on what your intention is on using the vehicle.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:57 PM
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Hi GostaFly-

Sounds like the X5 M might be more suiting. I love the size of my X5 now and I just didn't want to lose anything on the drive. Personally, I want the M at this point. I agree with the usability, it's definitely there on the X5.

Any idea on the release date for the 2014 X5 M?

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Old 10-07-2013, 04:20 PM
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I agree about the much more user friendly X5M design over the X6M, especially the rear seating having tried it myself. The drive aspects are so similar (and great) that I couldn't see getting the X6. I'm of the opinion (admitted bias) that the current X5M is the ideal dimension and setup that feels so much like a sedan but has the rear usability without being too long. I'm not a fan of the new styling of the new 2014 X5, so when the M version of that comes out in probably two years, I think it will also lose some of the current appeal. But it will be a bit faster with added tech, of course.
Don't wait. Sorry for the enthusiastic bias. It's just too good.


I think your question is whether the 2014 X5M will be different from the 2013? No, it won't change until the all new X5M design using the new platform comes out for 2015 I believe.

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Old 10-07-2013, 05:02 PM
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Thanks pa50i... I'm definitely set on the X5 M it's a matter of what year and is it worth waiting for? I was on BMWs website last week doing a build out and noticed the X5 M was pulled off the site. I'm curious when it will reappear and what changes will be on the 2014. I guess I could wait for the 2014s to come out and pickup a "gently used" 2012-2013.

Do you have any idea on what 2015 platform is like or a good reference to check that out?
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Old 10-09-2013, 04:48 AM
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Definitely X5 M. Coming from a 535 msport to an x5 m I can confirm that X5M has that sedan feeling, but 1000 time more fun to drive. You never get the feeling that you are driving an SUV. My friends who have the regular X5 said the same when they drove mine . You can't go wrong with current X5M if you are looking for style, space, all wheel drive and power.

Not 100% sure, but I thought that there won't be a 2014 in the current body style and the 2014 with the new body style and will be releasing only in 2015 or end of 2014.


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Old 10-09-2013, 02:51 PM
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Ken,
Here are a few good looks at the design changes from the outgoing 2013 X5 models (E70 platform), which includes the current X5M, and the new X5 (F15 platform). Overall, a lot of us didn't like the less aggressive stance of the F15 and the rear cues that mimic the more feminine X3 design. I'm not a fan of the new front, side or rear of the F15, but some seem to like to new front.
You will notice that the nose is more upright in profile and the rear window is a bit more upright at the top. I think they have gone the way of the Acura MDX and created a more bland van-ish profile than the prior more taut E70. Just my opinion.
The F15 build your own on BMW's website gives some clues as to how a next gen X5M will look when you add the sport options, but I have failed to build an F15 that looks anywhere near as good as a prior E70 with sport options and the 20" rim options. Not sure why BMW went so wrong on the F15. With the 2014 X5 35i, 50i and 35d out now, the 2015 X5M should be available sometime late next year and will use this F15 platform. I say go with the great E70 X5M now, but that's just me.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/05/30/ph...vs-e70-bmw-x5/
http://www.bmwblog.com/2013/09/15/ph...-xdrive50i-01/

Looks nowhere near as good as a nicely optioned E70 like this picture.

Good look at an Alpine White X5M.


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Old 10-10-2013, 10:26 AM
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You can no longer order a new X5M of the current body style - it's not even on the BMWUSA website anymore. You can find a lightly used one or one still on a dealer showroom floor, however.

Not a bad decision to be making - X5M or X6M. If you're set on X5M already, these are your only options at this point. When a new body style comes out (like new X5) there's usually a year gap without an M version available.

Anyway I love my X6M and don't care about practicality and usability, but they are almost essentially the same car. I came from an X6 and already knew I liked the body style. My back seats usually have car seats installed and my kids are small so the rear headroom isn't an issue for me.

Good luck with your search.
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Old 10-11-2013, 05:57 PM
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Hey Everyone-

Just reached out to the dealer today to roll in my negative equity on my newly leased X5 3.5i Premium lease. Given the circumstances on the M's and after sitting in the X6, I have to say I really like how the X6 sits. Also, I think they might they lease a little better than the 2013 X5 M. I'm hoping this is feasible at this point without taking a bath on the newly leased 2013 X5 3.5i Premium.

As for everyone's deals... I have to ask what they looked like? This will give me an idea of what a clean lease looks like on an X5 M or X6 M since their similarly priced, from there I can include the stated negative equity from the dealer. Thanks for everyone's help and can't wait to order the vehicle if it works out. They said about 4-6 weeks.

So on everyone's M's what did their deals look like?

Thank you in advance!
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Old 10-11-2013, 06:20 PM
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What is the MSRP of the car you're looking at?

X6M base is $93k
X5M base is $89k

With options these cars can range from low $90's to around $110k.
You also need to consider taxes vary from state to state.
That will affect people's lease numbers so you have to compare apples to apples.

My #s:
2013 X6M
$0 out of pocket (used holiday credit to pay inceptions including 1st payment)
$108k MSRP
$99.5k cap cost
0.00125 MF (I think)
12k / 52% residual (was 50% for 15k)
Florida Tax 6%
Total payment w/tax $1487
No MSD's

Both RideWithG.com and LeaseGuide.com have great calculators where you can plug in these various numbers and compare to your own.

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Old 10-11-2013, 06:31 PM
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Hey DDK632-

The X6 M I built out had an MSRP of $104k.

Out of Pocket was around $2500
Negative equity was rolled in.
Total monthly payment $1470/mo.
No MSD

I still have to meet with them next week to get the hard numbers.

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Old 10-11-2013, 07:06 PM
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The residuals are much better now than when I made my order, with your negative equity that's a good deal.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:45 PM
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I think I'm moving forward on my first M. I'm going with the a custom ordered X6 M! No more X5 M's to custom order and there weren't any locatable with any of my colors or features... The sacrifices we must make.

MSRP $104K
0.00125 MF
10k / 57% residual
$5k down to more or less take care of my negative equity from my X5
Monthly Payment $1350

I thinks it's a pretty good deal for a 2014 X6 M. What's everyone's thoughts?

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I can't say that I agree with that either. Now what if you drive an X6 M, what's that make you?
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I can't say that I agree with that either. Now what if you drive an X6 M, what's that make you?
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A connoisseur!
I couldn't agree with you more. I realized that could have been a loaded question and might warrant a condescending response. I like your style!
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I couldn't agree with you more. I realized that could have been a loaded question and might warrant a condescending response. I like your style!
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Everybody love everybody!

Hahaha they've been teaching us that since kindergarten.

I actually saw an X6 M and a 335is go at it the other night. The X6 M definitely burned the 335is.

I think you picked the right car, seeing as the X5 M just seems weird to me, much like the Cayenne Turbo S. The X6 M at least looks like it has 500 something horsepower haha


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I think I'm moving forward on my first M. I'm going with the a custom ordered X6 M! No more X5 M's to custom order and there weren't any locatable with any of my colors or features... The scarifies we must make.

MSRP $104K
0.00125 MF
10k / 57% residual
$5k down to more or less take care of my negative equity from my X5
Monthly Payment $1350

I thinks it's a pretty good deal for a 2014 X6 M. What's everyone's thoughts?
It's a good deal. Like I said earlier, the residuals are good now - this is about as good as it gets for M cars. In contrast, I ordered Nov 2012 and the residual for 10k would have been 53% - so they are 4% higher now!

Congrats and enjoy your X6M!

What color combo did you order?
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I went from an X6 to an X6M.

From asshole to connoisseur? It can be done!

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I was at the dealership today and wanted to know if anyone puts snow tires on for the winter or has a separate set of wheels and tires? I was told all season for the winter on the low profile tires doesn't work well with the X6 M and wanted to see what people do?
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:58 PM
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I was at the dealership today and wanted to know if anyone puts snow tires on for the winter or has a separate set of wheels and tires? I was told all season for the winter on the low profile tires doesn't work well with the X6 M and wanted to see what people do?
Nope. Treat it no differently than your X5. In normal D mode it will be fine in snow.
In M mode...well, it will just be hilarious.
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Have you driven the M yet in the snow and did you leave the performance tires on? I didn't want to get into a situation where I have an extra set of wheels and tires. They made it sound like I can't mount and dismount run-flats, which I heard you can't. So long story short, have you driven in the snow with the M performance tires and are they needing to be changed out for the winter?

I thought the X6 M and X5 M's tires were sufficient in the snow?
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Old 10-16-2013, 01:57 PM
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I live in Florida so I can't help on this per se, but I can relate a quick story -

The stock tires are meant to be summer tires, I think. That being said, I picked mine up in January at BMW Performance Center and headed to Robbinsville, NC via Asheville, and on to Tail of the Dragon. Got hit with snow and icy roads, with some black ice being the worst of the conditions. On the worst parts of the icy conditions most of the locals were doing 35-40mph on the 2 lane highway; we had no issues doing the going speed and even a few mph faster and came out of it just fine. Car was stable and handled itself very well. You have to be careful of course; and, yes, I kept M button OFF during that time
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I'm in Ohio and didn't want to have a second set of wheels on a leased vehicle. I've been reading horror stories on mounting all season tires and dismounting run flat seasonally. Do you have any experience or a point of reference?
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