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Old 12-21-2006, 07:28 PM
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I find it sad that in order to purchase such a quality vehicle as a BMW that you have to deal with people that are sleeze balls. I don't begrudge anyone making a living, after all, we all work hard to try to make as much cash as possible. But I hate trying to deal with some of these jerks!

Hint to salemen: Be reasonable about what you will sell the vehicle for and act as if you truly want my business, and then I won't even mind paying alittle more for the ride because the experience was worth it and won't leave me feeling dirty!
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Great ost, flash2k6. Very valuable information which I will use when I get ready to make a special order in Spring.

It's really amazing that only 22 of 31 dealers responded. That 71%. And these are luxury dealers serving luxury customers? BMW NA should hear about this.
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What color and specs did you get with your new 335i?
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flash2k,

First of all, I commend you for going through such great lengths in your best value endeavor and conquest. You also get a big attaboy from me for posting the nitty gritty details. Unfortunately, it's not surprising that you received many of the responses you did. Currently, I think that because of availability over there, there's just too many opportunities for guys over there to maximize profits. I mean, if they have a lot of folks walking in the door prepared to pay close to or at MSRP, it's difficult to justify discounting when they only get so many.

Also, depending on the sales individual, their motivation to make a sale and potentially earn future business was clearly reflected in their responses. I personally can relate to your CA's approach. It's all about efficiency with each client. I can tell he earned your business and kept it moving because if it's painless for you, trust me it's painless for him, too.

I agree with MP3_E46's statement about MACO and training fee and getting a breakdown value of fees, price, and tax. It's better to just be upfront about the MACO and training, rather than being surprised later and having a ticked off customer. That is, if your dealing in an invoice + $ approach.

IMO, I'm not agreeable with BMWued blanket statement of "Perhaps the East Coast is different, but you should be able to make a deal at $xxx over invoice." Every market is different. Every region is different. And, as flash2k6 spelled out, every dealer is different. You may have hit the lotto with your $xxx over invoice deal due to many reasons we all can only speculate- aged unit with a birthday, lot damage, desperate last day of the month donation, tripped over a green pea salesman, relative of the owner, etc. It just doesn't make us all feel warm and fuzzy that here flash2k6 gets a great value for all his effort in paying what he paid and getting the great service, to boot, and you throw this statement out there. C'mon, this isn't a pissing contest.

So flash2k, congratulations on your new 335i Coupe, pal. You deserve it. Now break out some pics, will ya?
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Nice post, just my two cents but, stay away from Ed Cronin at Alexander BMW. Not an honest salesman at all.
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Nice post, just my two cents but, stay away from Ed Cronin at Alexander BMW. Not an honest salesman at all.
want to elaborate on why? i would really like to know since i got my car through him.
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Great job flash. I bought my 330i at North Scottsdale and had a great experience. It all comes down to the people in the end. You found the right guy for your situation.

Question: Can you post all the fees and taxes that you paid in this transaction? I'm just curious to see if there was MACO, doc. fees, etc. and what they were.

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Hi All,

First of all, thank you Flash for your effort.

I would also like to say that I had a horrible experience with Asseal BMW. I've dealt with Ron as well as a floor sales person at that particular dealership, both were grade A jerks who refused to give me a straight answer.

The floor sales person, Bill (I am not even sure if that's his real name), had little or no knowledge on the car at all, he dare said that premium package is included in ALL 328 and that there is no way for them to order one without premium package, and as I showed him the Configuration page printed out from Edmund.com, he then proceed to tell me Edmund.com has false information. I would never ever deal with Asseal BMW.

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I was considering doing a ED on a 335i Coupe and was wondering if that might give the purchaser any additional leverage on price negotiatons, since other posts indicate that ED doesn't affect a dealer's allotment.

While I realize you still have to wait 6-8 weeks for shipping, are the "build" times faster for ED?

If I go for a later delivery in Europe this June, 2006 so I could use the car in Europe for a month or so, considering that it may not arrive back until Sept? would it be better to wait until the 2008s come out (assuming they come out in Sept.,2008, one year from the date the new coupe was launched.

I've never bought a BMW before and don't know what, if any, changes they'll make to next years model. While BMW has one of the highest re-sales of any vehicle, according to various publications, cars generally deprecitate about 10%-15% a year. I don't see any point to taking delivery on a car that's going to drop that much 3 months after I get it.

I know this is probably too many questions, but I love the Space Gray. I think I'm leaning to a black interior, but have only seen one with gray. Also, still haven't seen one with the silver trim, but a dealer told me it scratches easily. Any thoughts on interior and trim colors?
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My post on the EU delivery should have stated June 2007, not June 2006.
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Because ED sales do not come out of dealer allotments you often can get much better (closer to invoice) pricing. But it varies from dealer to dealer.

As to getting a car in June, well, there are two ways to look at it. Bavaria in June driving a 2007 BMW is pretty close to heaven. But then again, Bavaria in late september with a 2008 BMW is heaven. Either way you win.

Space gray is an excellent color IMO that goes well with any of the interiors. I think saddle brown might be my favorite.
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I would be repeating a lot of previous posts here and on E90post if I detailed the wonderful experiences with my local dealer. Suffice it to say that I have gotten great pricing and competent handling of my EDs, and excellent mechanical and parts service. Above all else though, absolute honesty.

It would appear that there are good dealers and the not so good. Beyond that though, I think having a long term relationship is key.
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wow very detailed information. Great post. not sure about giving specific pricing information from each dealer is the way to go without PM'ing the info to whoever may want it.

Being a fairly new member (i'm assumign you aren't a present member who created a new screen name) talking specific prices from a specific dealer is discouraged in an open post but would be good information for anyone in a PM.
Why is this discouraged? I think this is a very informative post. Kinda wish it was an article I had written - maybe flash should submit it to the Roundel (with a little bit more polish and editing).

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It might have been better to say

Best price

1. john doe
2. jane doe
3. ect ....

Most courteous

1. aalkjdfldkj
2. ajldk
3. dkj
This would be a good adjunct or summary but would not replace the main article, uh text.
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Old 12-22-2006, 10:37 PM
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This is an excellent post. Hats off to you for your hard work!

Great information.

Brad Williams in Palm Springs is a nice guy - we have bought 3 BMWs from him.

Steve Thomas BMW in Camarillo is also pretty good (as others have mentioned) - they will be getting my business next week.
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WTF? About the only thing a 525 has in common with a 335i is the roundel. If your customers don't know if they want a bottom of the line 5 or the fastest most progressive 3 to ever grace the freeways then I can only assume you are dealing with folk so damn dumb that you should be able to steer them to whatever car you want to sell them, so maybe that explains your low demand for 335is
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WTF? About the only thing a 525 has in common with a 335i is the roundel. If your customers don't know if they want a bottom of the line 5 or the fastest most progressive 3 to ever grace the freeways then I can only assume you are dealing with folk so damn dumb that you should be able to steer them to whatever car you want to sell them, so maybe that explains your low demand for 335is
A 5 buyer is very different than a 3 buyer. In fact, very few 5-series buyers choose to "settle" for a 3 before they go home.
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Radgator1 and Emisson, I agree on one hand but have to say it's not always so black-and-white w/ 3-vs-5. I have owned both series but neither in E60 or E90. This time around I started looking at an E90 328, learned of the deals going on for the E60 525 (same price on lease as 328, almost to dollar, for deals I looked out and both well outfitted - and that is w/ the current 27 and 28 month promotions). There was at lease a week I was convinced I was getting a 525 and was about to deposit on one. Then somehow came back around to the 335i (somehow = couldn't erase memory of test drive) and that's where I went after a second round of test drives. But to say that the current 5 promotion is pulling some buyers away from other models wouldn't be hard to believe. I finally decided I didn't actually like the idea of parking a 5-series out front and stopped caring about the two times a year I might have a client in my car and the "added luxury" (I find the premium interior on the 3 pretty appealing anyway). The 335i is very much my style, it felt like a velvet hammer. With the transmission and engine off a rocket.
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Old 12-23-2006, 09:52 AM
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Radgator1 and Emisson, I agree on one hand but have to say it's not always so black-and-white w/ 3-vs-5. I have owned both series but neither in E60 or E90. This time around I started looking at an E90 328, learned of the deals going on for the E60 525 (same price on lease as 328, almost to dollar, for deals I looked out and both well outfitted - and that is w/ the current 27 and 28 month promotions). There was at lease a week I was convinced I was getting a 525 and was about to deposit on one. Then somehow came back around to the 335i (somehow = couldn't erase memory of test drive) and that's where I went after a second round of test drives. But to say that the current 5 promotion is pulling some buyers away from other models wouldn't be hard to believe. I finally decided I didn't actually like the idea of parking a 5-series out front and stopped caring about the two times a year I might have a client in my car and the "added luxury" (I find the premium interior on the 3 pretty appealing anyway). The 335i is very much my style, it felt like a velvet hammer. With the transmission and engine off a rocket.
dgoss,

I have owned a couple 3-series BMWs, and now a G35 (the G35 is actually more 5-series size). I am replacing the G35 with a BMW.

Naturally, as I am nearly 40-years-old with kids, I thought I was going to get a 550i. When I drove the 550i, it was just too "big" for me... it was an incredible car (amazing, actually), but it just felt a bit too ponderous. The $900/month lease didn't really appeal to me either (especially with a Porsche in the garage next to it that needs about $2,000 worth of maintenance a year). I drove the 335i and it felt "just right" (maybe a bit small, but I can live with it as the wife has an SUV). Even if the 550i and 335i were the same price, I'd choose the 335i.

I am trying to say that the 5-series and 3-series are very different in the way they drive. There is nothing wrong with a 525i, 530i, or 550i. In fact, some can argue the 525i is a "better" car than the 335i (flame away - but keep in mind I didn't say faster).

I really don't think someone who has their heart set on a 5-series would walk into the dealer and purchase a 3-series. On the other hand, a non-enthusiast who was looking at a 3-series can be swayed into a 525i or 530i on price alone...
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Naturally, as I am nearly 40-years-old with kids, I thought I was going to get a 550i. When I drove the 550i, it was just too "big" for me... it was an incredible car (amazing, actually), but it just felt a bit too ponderous. The $900/month lease didn't really appeal to me either (especially with a Porsche in the garage next to it that needs about $2,000 worth of maintenance a year). I drove the 335i and it felt "just right" (maybe a bit small, but I can live with it as the wife has an SUV). Even if the 550i and 335i were the same price, I'd choose the 335i.
Agree completely. I'm in a similar boat, have child, similar age. Had same impressions as to size and feel etc. on each car. And for me when I was comparing the 328/525, the price was the same. Quite literally. I just ended up getting the 335i after I knew I wanted a 3. Then it was just a matter of making the lease a bit more fun.
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wow very detailed information. Great post. not sure about giving specific pricing information from each dealer is the way to go without PM'ing the info to whoever may want it.

It might have been better to say

Best price

1. john doe
2. jane doe
3. ect ....


Most courteous

1. aalkjdfldkj
2. ajldk
3. dkj

Being a fairly new member (i'm assumign you aren't a present member who created a new screen name) talking specific prices from a specific dealer is discouraged in an open post but would be good information for anyone in a PM.
theres nothing wrong with the OPs post including the prices. it was very informative, i enjoyed reading it, and what good would it be if the offered prices were not indicated in his post.

excellent post!!
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It may be discouraged but I have seen specific prices posted from specific dealers many times before. This user was thorough and mentions the prices arent with negotiation but only the first price offered after sending the same, complete information to all dealers. This info could be gathered by emailing all these dealers. After a couple months this info will no longer be valid as dealerships change personel and prices regularly.

I for one find this thread very interesting. Most of the internet sales depts in dealerships dont spend time online (can barely put together an email) so they wont see this. Those dealerships that see this know what to change to be competitive. Just follow the Chapman Camelback BMW dealership example.

BTW, I talked to a friend from Phoenix. There are two Chapman BMWs - one in Scottsdale the other in Phoenix. The one mentioned here has a couple guys working internet sales. They initially use the default Ben email but give their names if you correspond beyond the first contact. One of them is Ben and he is very friendly. All the guys are very nice and dont play games with prices or hidden fees. I guess they do so much volume they dont waste time screwing with the customer like many dealerships. They have figured out that a quick and happy transaction means more in the long run than the extra $500 and aggrevation caused by too much dealing.
Kudos to the OP. I contacted Ben today at Chapman BMW told him what I wanted, in 15 minutes he had a price $1600 less than the Retail ED price. He is very easy to talk to and gave me what sounds like a very good deal without any haggling. However he mentioned that any car purchased through a dealer in AZ and delivered in AZ must pay AZ sales taxes at 8.2%. This is much higher than my sales taxes in UT. He mentioned he can ship the car to my home for ~$350 and then I would pay my local sales taxes in UT. My next step is to compare prices with my local dealer. Since there is only one BMW dealer in the whole state of UT they don't need to discount the price. No local competition.

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Awsome post. I'm just starting nogotiations with similar dealers. I'll let you know how it turned out for me.
Thanks for the info.
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Way too much time on your hands. How much opportunity cost was squandered (yours and theirs) in this little chirade?
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Way too much time on your hands. How much opportunity cost was squandered (yours and theirs) in this little chirade?
When spelled correctly, "charade" is an inflammatory word.

To keep the peace around here, these types of posts are generally not allowed on Bimmerfest.

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When spelled correctly, "charade" is an inflammatory word.

To keep the peace around here, these types of posts are generally not allowed on Bimmerfest.

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Why, can you show me a rule section that this post violated? This is one of the more informative post on the entire Forum. Most posts start out with one point in mind and by the second page it's about bickering between members, kind of like this!

My vote is for more of this type of posts, ones that actually help members know what to look for in a dealer prior to purchasing.

Great work!!!
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