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Old 12-04-2019, 08:56 PM
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Need help. Vehicle has 118,000 miles and car just died in middle of intersection with no warning lights or check engine lights. Tried to restart vehicle and it would not start. BMW looked at it and determined motor is seized. No metal shavings in oil and plenty of coolant. Had an EGR valve recall fixed two months prior. Waiting to see if I can get BMW assistance since they quoted 21k for new motor. Any suggestions?
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Old 12-04-2019, 11:03 PM
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Wow. Thatís terrible.
If you get assistance from bmw - big if - I would be surprised if you donít end up with 50 percent or more of that bill.
Start looking at used engines and independent shop to put it in.


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Old 12-05-2019, 05:19 AM
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Old 12-05-2019, 01:32 PM
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Wow sorry to hear.

I'm wondering if the HPFP seized. Any metal found in the fuel?


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Old 12-05-2019, 06:42 PM
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Wow sorry to hear.

I'm wondering if the HPFP seized. Any metal found in the fuel?


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+1, if the HPFP exploded, it might be the culprit of seizing the engine. That said, I think most HPFP issues have been with the m57 and n57 engines (I6).
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Old 12-06-2019, 02:04 PM
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A CP4 failure should not seize an engine. The pump themselves will seize up and explode internally contaminating the fuel system, but the engine itself should not seize. The crank should still turn.

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Old 12-07-2019, 09:45 AM
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A CP4 failure should not seize an engine. The pump themselves will seize up and explode internally contaminating the fuel system, but the engine itself should not seize. The crank should still turn.
I've read that a high concentration of gasoline or water can sieze the cp4 instead of the more gradual metal flaking from lesser contamination.
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Old 12-07-2019, 02:53 PM
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I've read that a high concentration of gasoline or water can sieze the cp4 instead of the more gradual metal flaking from lesser contamination.
I have read so too, but that should not seize the engine. A seized engine generally means the crankshaft won't rotate.
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Old 12-07-2019, 03:12 PM
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If you want my two cents, scrap the concept of replacing it with a new engine. Parts and labor for a used engine from a independant mechanic will not even reach half of that price. It might be worth having a second shop verify that it is even the engine.
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Old 12-07-2019, 04:41 PM
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Need help. Vehicle has 118,000 miles and car just died in middle of intersection with no warning lights or check engine lights. Tried to restart vehicle and it would not start. BMW looked at it and determined motor is seized. No metal shavings in oil and plenty of coolant. Had an EGR valve recall fixed two months prior. Waiting to see if I can get BMW assistance since they quoted 21k for new motor. Any suggestions?
Can you describe "tried to restart vehicle and it would not start" in more detail? Did the engine just crank and crank and crank and not start? A seized engine would prevent the starter from being able to crank the engine.

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Old 12-08-2019, 01:36 AM
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I've read that a high concentration of gasoline or water can sieze the cp4 instead of the more gradual metal flaking from lesser contamination.
I have read so too, but that should not seize the engine. A seized engine generally means the crankshaft won't rotate.
After filling with gasoline:
Case 1 is vehicle not started
Case 2 is vehicle started/driven, no swarf (metal shavings)
Case 3 is vehicle started/driven, swarf in system
Case 4 is vehicle started/driven, pump seized, camshafts fractured and timing chain(s) broken.

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Old 12-08-2019, 12:48 PM
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After filling with gasoline:
Case 1 is vehicle not started
Case 2 is vehicle started/driven, no swarf (metal shavings)
Case 3 is vehicle started/driven, swarf in system
Case 4 is vehicle started/driven, pump seized, camshafts fractured and timing chain(s) broken.

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Neither one of those is a seized engine. A seized engine is when the crank/pistons will not move. It may be a seized pump, but that is a different matter.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:08 PM
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Neither one of those is a seized engine. A seized engine is when the crank/pistons will not move. It may be a seized pump, but that is a different matter.
Jammed chain at the crank sprocket a possibility in that instance.

Hopefully OP reports back with additional information leading up to the failure.
And any later findings.
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Old 12-08-2019, 01:22 PM
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Vehicle has 118,000 miles
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BMW looked at it and determined motor is seized.
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Waiting to see if I can get BMW assistance since they quoted 21k for new motor.
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Any suggestions?
Have it towed somewhere else for a second opinion. Think twice before repairing, focus on the car's actual market value vs the cost of repair. Someone with ability will buy a parts car or project for a low price, which very likely nets you more than repairing the car and selling it. Keeping it? Doesnt really make sense unless it is very unique and otherwise exceptional. Put that repair bill toward a newer version of the same car, built how you like. My .02

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Old 12-09-2019, 04:40 PM
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With my '14 328d, without warning it just stalled while driving. Tried to restart, but engine just cranked and cranked. It would not restart. Had it towed to dealer. Turned out to be the fuel pump. They found metal shavings throughout. The entire fuel system had to be replaced including pump, fuel injectors, fuel lines, etc.
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Old 12-17-2019, 02:55 PM
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Curious to find out from tomg113 and the OP, if you guys regularly use diesel fuel additives (which adds lubricity to the fuel) or not. Being that ULS diesel has very low lubricity to it, wondering if it's possible that over time the fuel pump, fuel injectors and other related fuel items may have been compromised because of that? Also, is your state known for having poor quality diesel fuel, in comparison to other states? (just trying to see if there is any correlation between fuel quality and damaged parts that you have encountered).
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Old 12-18-2019, 04:55 PM
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So BMW USA and dealership will not offer any assistance. The dealership wants $700 to tear the engine apart after I was already charged $200 for diagnostic to tell me the engine was seized. No metal shavings in the fuel line, high pressure fuel pump is ok (120,000 mile/10 year warranty on that part after several BMW owner lawsuits), no metal shavings in the oil and the coolant level was fine. All this happened after EGR Valve recall where i take manifold was also replaced.
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Old 12-18-2019, 05:00 PM
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So BMW USA and dealership will not offer any assistance. The dealership wants $700 to tear the engine apart after I was already charged $200 for diagnostic to tell me the engine was seized. No metal shavings in the fuel line, high pressure fuel pump is ok (120,000 mile/10 year warranty on that part after several BMW owner lawsuits), no metal shavings in the oil and the coolant level was fine. All this happened after EGR Valve recall where i take manifold was also replaced.
Document the stall in traffic - hazardous to life and health - at SaferCar.gov. https://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/VehicleComplaint/
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