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Old 11-11-2019, 08:11 AM
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This video was March 2018, have these out-of-warranty costs gone down, esp. for Model 3?

Model S:
door handle - $1k each
brake rotors + pads + rear parking - $6k after Tesla waived $2k of labor
drive unit - $6k

This one [email protected]+ miles paid $24k repair costs for 9 door handles($1k each), 4 shocks, rear axles, tail-light condensation, 4 rotors, one drive unit($6k each)

Another guy paid $3500 for rear half shaft replacement.

$1200 for big screen.

#3800 for media control unit.

DC-DC control repair is $2100 part + $450 labor.

Plus $150/kWh current price replacement cost.

These Tesla repairs are not cheap out of warranty.

A number of the parts above are available aftermarket. You can get a halfshaft for $250, Power Stop front and rear brake pads and rotors for $265 for all four corners, and parking brake pads for $39. There's also an aftermarket door handle rebuild kit that is supposed to much more durable than stock for $175. I expect that the aftermarket for the Model 3 will be much larger than that for the Model S due to the much greater number of Model 3s being sold.
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Old 11-11-2019, 10:24 AM
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These aftermarket prices are not too bad. Will those aftermarket repairs affect warranty?

There are other Model S owners with 6-7 drive units swapped under warranty, hopefully those are not recurring issues in Model 3.

Another Model 3 owner said $9k+ of tires for 130k miles, but those are sports summer tires that some BMW owners pay for too.

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A number of the parts above are available aftermarket. You can get a halfshaft for $250, Power Stop front and rear brake pads and rotors for $265 for all four corners, and parking brake pads for $39. There's also an aftermarket door handle rebuild kit that is supposed to much more durable than stock for $175. I expect that the aftermarket for the Model 3 will be much larger than that for the Model S due to the much greater number of Model 3s being sold.

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Old 11-11-2019, 10:41 AM
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I guess we'll see about the Model 3 once they start coming out of warranty. My expectation is that a Model 3 will have a similar relationship to a Model S regarding parts and repair costs that a BMW 3 series has to a 7 series.

So, how much do you think repairs would be to a 7 year old 7 series with 200k miles? HInt, there's a reason that 7 series depreciate like a rock. Actually, I don't think too many 7 series even make it to 200k miles before being taken to the wreckers.
In my mind it is Tesla's great achievement to convince buyers to pay 7-series prices for Model S. The current Model S/X(and high-end Model 3) prices have dropped to normalize with the rest of market, wiping out chunks of resale values in the process. The next front to normalize is the repair cost.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:14 AM
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Coworkers are looking into used Model S(private or Tesla), those prices are not too bad and probably hold better than ICEs, but their thoughts are that buying a 5-7 year old Model S is mainly for DD/utility, similar to a reliable(hopefully) Accord/Camry, instead of a Audi/BMW/MB of similar ages.

Given the big price cuts on brand new Model S/X's, the resale prices of Model S should trend down a bit further, but the repair costs(e.g. drive units, batteries) are big worries in their minds.
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"Tesla’s Model 3 Success Hits BMW the Hardest"

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...evolution.html
Short arguments are kind of evaporating as well as far as "sustained profitability" goes... they are covering like crazy in the last 30 days.
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"Tesla's Model 3 Success Hits BMW the Hardest"

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Aham. And how do you explain that BMW's revenues are increasing while Tesla's are falling?
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"Tesla's Model 3 Success Hits BMW the Hardest"

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...evolution.html
That is a great article, providing detailed breakdowns of early adopters. This is against a backdrop of Tesla Q3 2019 US sales drops by $2B, to $3B+, compared to Q3 2018(40% drop).

So while Tesla is busy grabbing early adopters in non-US markets, it will be interesting to see Tesla's plan in US next.

"Tesla is just beginning to move beyond the early adopter-stage and will need to expand across new demographics if it wants to keep growing. Continued success now depends on widespread adoption of electric vehicles in areas that are only beginning to see them for the first time. "
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Watch out.... Ford Mach e is committed to taking up some space in the EV market really soon.

This ought to hit Tesla hard :
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/15/...esign-electric

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Aham. And how do you explain that BMW's revenues are increasing while Tesla's are falling?
He skipped the part where some of the recent month sales are up between 6-9 % and 2% up overall worldwide.

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Watch out.... Ford Mach e is committed to taking up some space in the EV market really soon.

This ought to hit Tesla hard :
https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/15/...esign-electric
More competition means more choices for consumers, and that's a good thing.
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Old 11-16-2019, 01:07 AM
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He skipped the part where some of the recent month sales are up between 6-9 % and 2% up overall worldwide.

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Model 3 does have a draw on 3-series customers, but it is yet to be seen how sustainable that trend is in coming quarters esp. in US market.
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Old 11-16-2019, 03:22 AM
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More competition means more choices for consumers, and that's a good thing.
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Old 11-22-2019, 10:20 PM
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Apparently this is trending on TMC


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After a long and tedious R & D project.


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Old 11-23-2019, 11:31 AM
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Apparently this is trending on TMC
The glass does hold without shattering(as it no breaking into lots of small pieces), but does laminated glass perform just the same anyway?
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Old 12-11-2019, 10:36 PM
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The glass does hold without shattering(as it no breaking into lots of small pieces), but does laminated glass perform just the same anyway?
With laminated glass, I think more of the window would have crazed, but other than that would probably have performed similarly. Of course, most cars only have laminated glass on the windshield, and a steel ball thrown at a side or rear window would go right through it.
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Old 12-12-2019, 01:42 AM
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With laminated glass, I think more of the window would have crazed, but other than that would probably have performed similarly. Of course, most cars only have laminated glass on the windshield, and a steel ball thrown at a side or rear window would go right through it.
There are cars with laminated side windows, e.g. Lexus ES, Cady ATS, some of the Mesarati's. Laminated glass blocks both UVA and UVB so it saves a tint job.
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Old 12-12-2019, 08:54 AM
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There are cars with laminated side windows, e.g. Lexus ES, Cady ATS, some of the Mesarati's. Laminated glass blocks both UVA and UVB so it saves a tint job.
Like I said, "most". The use of laminated glass on side windows is more common than I thought however. Here's a link to a list that includes everything from Ford F-150s to Kia Optimas using laminated glass on some of the side or back windows - https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/f...hicle-List.pdf I think it would be nice if all the windows on a car were laminated; I wonder what the additional cost would be.
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