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Old 07-08-2019, 10:22 AM
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N20 Castrol Black / Gold 5W-30 ?

I am a Canadian owner from Vancouver, B.C and I recently got myself a 2015 x28i w/ N20 Engine.

I read castrol oil is the equivalent oil for Twinpower Turbo oil, but when I shop canadian tire / walmart online, there seems to be two different bottle (Black and Gold) oil.

Which one do you E84 folks use?
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:43 AM
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At Canadian Tire, they sell 0W-40 MotoMaster Formula 1 European 5L for under $30 on sale.
It's LLO1 spec.
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:55 AM
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Yes, you NEED to purchase oil that has the LL01 spec. Most formulas that are compliant will say "European Formula" or something to that effect on the bottle, but you need to double check that it meets the LL01 spec.

Also, most are putting in a 0w vs a 5w.
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Old 07-08-2019, 11:13 AM
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And looking through walmart US online retail, there's a castrol edge that is formulated for Turbo GDI (gasoline direct injection)

none of them said ll01 or ll04 on all website

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Old 07-08-2019, 11:38 AM
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And looking through walmart US online retail, there's a castrol edge that is formulated for Turbo GDI (gasoline direct injection)

none of them said ll01 or ll04 on all website
Unless you can confirm LL01 spec, don't buy it.
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:13 PM
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I know on mine it talks of Dexos, which is a synthetic oil specification originally by GM. I would assume that certification would be something you'd see within the Canadian market too?
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:56 PM
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I know on mine it talks of Dexos, which is a synthetic oil specification originally by GM. I would assume that certification would be something you'd see within the Canadian market too?
GM also had something called DexCool back in the 90s as well for their vehicles. That was their coolant.

Yes, LL01 shows on oils sold in Canada that conform to BMW's requirements. You MUST purchase LL01 oil. I don't care what's on sale at C-Tire this week.
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Old 07-09-2019, 04:09 PM
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GM also had something called DexCool back in the 90s as well for their vehicles. That was their coolant.

Yes, LL01 shows on oils sold in Canada that conform to BMW's requirements. You MUST purchase LL01 oil. I don't care what's on sale at C-Tire this week.
I change oil between 6,000-8,000km (same thing for my 370z), does LL01 matter if I change this very frequent?
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Old 07-09-2019, 05:11 PM
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I change oil between 6,000-8,000km (same thing for my 370z), does LL01 matter if I change this very frequent?
I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you keep going around in circles. The spec is LL01. Buy LL01. Why are you so bent on using oil that isn't made for your vehicle ? This is like saying "well, the car specs part #6776 for an air filter, but part #9845 physically fits, so it should work, right ?".

If you want to play around with non-spec oil in your $60,000.00 vehicle, go ahead Let us know all know how it turns out (hint: it isn't going to turn out well).
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Old 07-09-2019, 05:21 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand why you keep going around in circles. The spec is LL01. Buy LL01. Why are you so bent on using oil that isn't made for your vehicle ? This is like saying "well, the car specs part #6776 for an air filter, but part #9845 physically fits, so it should work, right ?".

If you want to play around with non-spec oil in your $60,000.00 vehicle, go ahead Let us know all know how it turns out (hint: it isn't going to turn out well).
Thanks for your comment. I am not trying to save money or cut corners, but Castrol / Pennzoil LL01 oil are very rare in Canadian market here. I've already gone to a few in store CT or Walmart, non of them have them on the shelves.

I guess I'll better off with OEM oil
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Did you not see the MotoMaster formula 1 oil I mentioned earlier?
It's stocked in my local CT store.

It says right on the back label, meets BMW LL01 spec.
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Did you not see the MotoMaster formula 1 oil I mentioned earlier?
It's stocked in my local CT store.

It says right on the back label, meets BMW LL01 spec.
I picked up two jugs of these on my way home today @ marine drive CT.

my first time using motomaster oil, will keep you all posted on this
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Old 07-10-2019, 08:47 AM
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From what I understand, the specifics of a synthetic formulation are very important for turboed vehicles (re: our X1s) because of the heat and wear requirements. While frequent oil changes are good, it is important to understand that while the oil is in use it's subjected to higher heat than conventional oils can handle. So, in short as has been beaten to death.. just follow the recommended specs

People aren't trying to get you to spend more for the fun of it.. it really does matter.
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Old 07-10-2019, 09:43 AM
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Thanks for your comment. I am not trying to save money or cut corners, but Castrol / Pennzoil LL01 oil are very rare in Canadian market here. I've already gone to a few in store CT or Walmart, non of them have them on the shelves.

I guess I'll better off with OEM oil
Ummmmmmm, it's not rare. CTire's website shows 3 different Castrol options when you search.

That being said, don't go to CTire or Walmart then. Go to Lordco. Or NAPA. Or, failing all that, go to a BMW dealership and buy it right from the parts department. You're on the lower mainland..... Trust me, it's widely available oil.

There's plenty of places to find LL-01 oil. I live in the Yukon. I have multiple places where it can be found. Sorry, but "LL01 oil are very rare in Canadian market here" is complete nonsense and incredibly untrue.
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Old 07-10-2019, 02:35 PM
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I saw this too: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...3196kt1-lm-awd .. in case it helps anyone finding this thread.
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I saw this too: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...3196kt1-lm-awd .. in case it helps anyone finding this thread.
Not that you can't do this with LiquiMoly from FCPEuro, but you can also get the BMW brand oil and after the first oil change you can send your used oil back for a full refund minus shipping. Might not be worth it for Canada, but from FL to where they are it's about $23.
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Castrol Edge 5W-40 is LLO1 certified. Walmart has it for $20 for 5 qts.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Castrol-E...hoC-A4QAvD_BwE
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Old 07-18-2019, 07:18 PM
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Noticing that the Castrol Edge is a 5w40 and I had been looking at a 5w30 made me want to look at the differences.

I saw this, in case it helps anyone: https://procarreviews.com/5w30-vs-5w40/

Also,

3 pack of filters for $21.95
https://www.amazon.com/Mann-Filter-8.../dp/B01NCVMOSY

Castrol 03101 EDGE 0W-40 A3/B4 (also states BMW LL01) for $20.48
https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-03101.../dp/B00JGQLZSU

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I use M1 0w-40. I change every 5000 miles so I don't need LL ratings
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I use M1 0w-40. I change every 5000 miles so I don't need LL ratings
LL is not just longevity. Taken from one of the many threads about oil and the LL spec:

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BMW LL-01 is a set of requirements defined by BMW for their own engines. It's basically just ACEA A3/B4 (really rigorous and comprehensive spec) plus some testing in BMW engines.

Check out this PDF from Afton Chemical. BMW LL-01 is covered on page 129. ACEA A3/B4 is covered on pages 75 through 80.

Yes, part of LL-01 is to guarantee the OCI. But it also covers wear, deposit control, shear stability, foaming, etc. etc. etc. -- lots of stuff that can't be compensated for by just shortening your OCI. I'm sure there are plenty of alternatives that'd work just as well with shorter OCIs; it's just hard to tell what they are without testing.
If you want to gamble with a non-spec oil, go for it. I personally won't be doing that with my $60K vehicle, but to each their own.
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Mobil 1 is plenty good. Been using it for decades. My X1 was $17k. Did you over pay?
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Mobil 1 is plenty good. Been using it for decades. My X1 was $17k. Did you over pay?
I've also been using Mobil 1 for a years. Not in my BMWs though. Again, if you want to experiment, go for it.

I have this discussion regularly in the E90 forum. Your car is $60K. If you bought it used for $17K (that's roughly what mine cost as well, coincidentally), that doesn't negate the fact that you're maintaining a vehicle that cost $60K. If you cause premature engine failure because you decide you don't like to follow the manufacture spec on oil, a new engine is going to run you ~$30K..... "But my car's not worth $30K", you'll say to the dealer. That's because the value of brand new components (like an engine block) is not determined by the depreciated, used car purchase price that you paid for the vehicle. It's based on the value of the vehicle when new.
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I use M1 0w-40. I change every 5000 miles so I don't need LL ratings
My research into M1 0w-40 turned up that it was certified LL01 but lost the certification when bmw changed the sulphur requirements for the purpose of reducing pollution. Others point out that LL01 specs many other things very true but being that it was approved and then disapproved based on environmental grounds leads me to believe your engine will be fine but the environment may get a few more sulphur particles in it if you are burning excessive oil. Especially considering you low mileage intervals you are probably better off than most.

Of course on the flip side, going OEM and getting oil from the dealer etc. is always the safest thing to do. I have no problem with anyone who takes this route.

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Of course on the flip side, going OEM and getting oil from the dealer etc. is always the safest thing to do. I have no problem with anyone who takes this route.
This is why I don't understand why people would choose to use an oil that's not listed as spec. I hear what you're saying about your research that M1 specifically isn't spec due to emissions. You may be correct in that, I'm not sure. But why would anyone chance it, regardless ? It seems that some owners just like to "go against the grain", or "prove themselves right", or something to that effect, instead of just following the manufacture's specs.

The BEST case scenario is that the oil you choose is OK and has no impact in the longevity of your engine.

The WORST case scenario is that the oil you choose is not to spec and your engine fails prematurely.

Now we have to do a risk-benefit analysis. What's the advantage to "taking your chances" with non-spec oil ? Is it cheaper ? Depends where you live, TBH. In most cases it's a very minor difference in cost. Certainly not a material difference. Is it easier to find ? I doubt anyone drives more than the 750 miles I do (one-way) to the closest dealership. So I'm going to say I have the right to say "no" to that question. So what's the advantage, exactly ? If you told me non-spec oil was $10.00 and the BMW oil was $1,000.00, then OK, I could see maybe rolling the dice and seeing what happens. But I have yet to find a single person that can give me a halfway-reasonable argument as to why going with non-spec oil is "worth it".
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This is why I don't understand why people would choose to use an oil that's not listed as spec. I hear what you're saying about your research that M1 specifically isn't spec due to emissions. You may be correct in that, I'm not sure. But why would anyone chance it, regardless ? It seems that some owners just like to "go against the grain", or "prove themselves right", or something to that effect, instead of just following the manufacture's specs.

The BEST case scenario is that the oil you choose is OK and has no impact in the longevity of your engine.

The WORST case scenario is that the oil you choose is not to spec and your engine fails prematurely.

Now we have to do a risk-benefit analysis. What's the advantage to "taking your chances" with non-spec oil ? Is it cheaper ? Depends where you live, TBH. In most cases it's a very minor difference in cost. Certainly not a material difference. Is it easier to find ? I doubt anyone drives more than the 750 miles I do (one-way) to the closest dealership. So I'm going to say I have the right to say "no" to that question. So what's the advantage, exactly ? If you told me non-spec oil was $10.00 and the BMW oil was $1,000.00, then OK, I could see maybe rolling the dice and seeing what happens. But I have yet to find a single person that can give me a halfway-reasonable argument as to why going with non-spec oil is "worth it".
Oh I totally agree and to take it a step further, we are at least doing minimal research here, imagine the people who didn't do the research when they bought the wrong kind of coolant and had organic and non-organic chemicals gum up there cooling systems and cause the engine to overheat and ruin the head gasket. Of course coolant is a lot different than oil but it does show the danger of deviating from the manufacturer's spec.


I change my own oil but it does make me wonder about people going to typical oil change shops and paying the $100+ for the "full-synthetic oil change". There is no way they stock every manufacturer's spec oil or even know what they are for that matter so at best you are getting the proper grade 5w-30 of whatever brand they have in the 55gal drum and then running it for the ridiculously long 1 year or 15k miles or whatever it is. But of course, they aren't responsible for you engine wearing out "prematurely" either.
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