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Old 09-07-2019, 07:52 PM
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I recently bought an M5 at auction with no keys. I ordered a new key through the dealer ($400 including comfort access coding). My issue is that the car won't recognize the key. The parts guy at the dealership told me to unlock the door with the metal key, insert the key fob into the steering column and hold it in for 30 secs with my foot on the brake. This doesn't work nor do any of the other suggestions I've tried.

After some research my thoughts are that there could be too many keys registered to the CAS module. I have the Protool app, but haven't quite figured out if I can remove keys from the CAS or if that's even possible.

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!
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I recently bought an M5 at auction with no keys. I ordered a new key through the dealer ($400 including comfort access coding). My issue is that the car won't recognize the key. The parts guy at the dealership told me to unlock the door with the metal key, insert the key fob into the steering column and hold it in for 30 secs with my foot on the brake. This doesn't work nor do any of the other suggestions I've tried.

After some research my thoughts are that there could be too many keys registered to the CAS module. I have the Protool app, but haven't quite figured out if I can remove keys from the CAS or if that's even possible.

Any help or insight would be greatly appreciated!
Did you check the battery? (car battery)
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Old 09-07-2019, 09:09 PM
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Yes. I bought a brand new battery as the old one was dead.
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Old 09-08-2019, 01:01 AM
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if you bought a key from the dealer for your m5.. then your m5 has a problem

does it crank? does it do anything?

the fob unlocks the doors?

is this the same guy with the other thread about how to get a key for my m5? (*sorry no you are 2 different groups)


ok... so lets start this diag with a no start
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Old 09-08-2019, 10:16 AM
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Key fob does nothing except display the "no key" symbol when inserted in the dash. I can hear the relay clicking in the glove box when I attempt to start, but nothing happens. Pushing the buttons on the fob does nothing. No idrive display, no accessories, no window function (windows do roll up/down with the metal key inserted into the the door and held in the lock/unlock position). The steering wheel is currently locked to the left, but i'm assuming (if working correctly) this will unlock once a key is recognized.

I have checked all fuses for continuity and all tested good and none are missing. I can hear the fuel pump kick on when the I open the drivers door.
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so no rolling code,

check the glove for the valet fob?
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No valet key in the glove box. Suprising there is a parts bag for a new key that was ordered from a dealership at the end of last year.

Below are the only codes present. There were 35 yesterday, but most were related to low voltage before replacing the battery.
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well... proper voltage..

proper communcation,

ISTA, INPA
Or nt510 foxwell..
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So I did some more investigating. For some reason I am unable to reset the CAS ECU or sycronize the CAS with the DME. Is this normal, or could this be the source of the problem. I get the following error when I attempt to reset the ECU. I am able to reset other ECU's in the vehicle.

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Sounds like you should take the new key and the car to the dealership and have them fix it. Would hate to see you make it worse poking around.
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Off topic, but how much does an e60 M5 run at an auction??
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:50 AM
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Depends on condition. Mine was a bank repo (hence no keys). I paid $5k for it. The body is straight with no major damage. Not sure of the engine condition. It looks good, but don't know if it runs. It does have a clean title though!
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so why not just drop the thing off at the dealer ?

you have keys which probably are not the keys, because someone else probably just got keys

you say the actual key in the fob unlocks the door but the car does not start,

you said you found a dealer receipt (which correct me if im thinking of another thread ) for a dealer key, (*what part number was that on that paper?)

you have a CAS error.. its probably just a keyboard away from running, you should just pay the dealer to fix the cas and drive it home.. and give it some love,

OR if you really want pay the dealer for its first dealer oil change in a while..

Bring it home.. flushs everything

youll get a running car, and list of dealer recommendations
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Ive been on a search for a e60 m5 6 speed for a long long time.. there is only like 1250 of them in the states,

i had a chance to get one a few years back from miami, but i guess 24hrs was to long got bought up from under me

its more less when you find it, you have to have the money then and there.. not let me go to the bank and ill call you tomorrow
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Ive been on a search for a e60 m5 6 speed for a long long time.. there is only like 1250 of them in the states,

i had a chance to get one a few years back from miami, but i guess 24hrs was to long got bought up from under me

its more less when you find it, you have to have the money then and there.. not let me go to the bank and ill call you tomorrow
There's a white one for sale in Dallas. Think they want 13k for it. Might need some work.
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so why not just drop the thing off at the dealer ?

you have keys which probably are not the keys, because someone else probably just got keys

you say the actual key in the fob unlocks the door but the car does not start,

you said you found a dealer receipt (which correct me if im thinking of another thread ) for a dealer key, (*what part number was that on that paper?)

you have a CAS error.. its probably just a keyboard away from running, you should just pay the dealer to fix the cas and drive it home.. and give it some love,

OR if you really want pay the dealer for its first dealer oil change in a while..

Bring it home.. flushs everything

youll get a running car, and list of dealer recommendations
I bought a new key from the dealership using the car's Vin. The metal key will unlock the doors, but the fob is unresponsive and will not do anything.

Dealership is 50 miles away and I will have to tow it. I really dont want to tow it there and then tow it back in the event it doesn't run once the key issue is resolved.
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there is 3 of them for sale right now in the states... all of them need bottem ends lol
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there is 3 of them for sale right now in the states... all of them need bottem ends lol
Just posted back on FB marketplace in Dallas.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1494...63019250585043
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Still working through this. I can read and reset most of the modules in the car using INSTA/P. However, when I attempt to sync the DME and CAS I get a message that communication was interrupted. I checked codes again and got the following :

Transmission:
5103

Steering column:
9501
94C1
951A

Instrument cluster:
931D - KOMBI: system voltage
A559 - Power supply switched off
A3B2 - CAN signal fault terminal

Alarm:
D97E - Unknown failure

Alarm sensors:
9D11 - Error in the bus circuit
9D12
9D44 - Alarm: Power supply manipulation
9D44 - Alarm: Power supply manipulation
9D44 - Alarm: Power supply manipulation
9D44 - Alarm: Power supply manipulation
9D44 - Alarm: Power supply manipulation

Active backrest (driver):
A708

CAN network gateway:
A179 - Over-/undervolt- internal voltage

Telephone:
A392

Electronic damper control (EDC):
5FE1


I went through and checked all fuses and relays on the car. All were good. Checked voltage at the DME and got 12V.
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Idea:

Call the bank that repo'd the vehicle or car fax (to identify and get the address of the person who was the previous owner).

Make the previous owner an offer for them to send you the old key. You never know...
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You have a canbus error that prevents any module communication. Either a short or something on the bus is causing the issues. I would check for water ingress anywhere in the car, footwell or trunk.
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I would not recommend taking it to the dealer until you can establish that you can communicate with all of the modules on the bus. Not unless you're prepared to take out a second mortgage and sign over the birth rights of your firstborn.

My first recommendation would be to invest in some serious diagnostic tools. By invest, I don't mean expensive as in dollars. The tools are available for free, but there is a steep learning curve involved.

My second recommendation would be to be patient. If you wind up with a working M5 for $5K you will have scored a real bargain. Take your time. Enjoy the experience. 50% of the car is in the electronics, and yours are aging. It will be helpful to learn as much as you can about them in order to maintain the vehicle economically.

The whole key business is a BMW sub-specialty (about which I plead ignorance). If a symptom is "won't start", you may very well be somewhere in the realm of the dreaded key-related "Immobilizer". Here's a document that might give you an idea of what you're up against:

https://www.snapon.com/Files/Diagnos...AZ0025B42B.pdf

It may all appear daunting, but it's easy enough for the dealer or a good Indie shop to resolve - once you have communication with the modules.

Or for a thread with other information on keys, try here:

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1153385

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What is the VIN in the DME and CAS?
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What is the VIN in the DME and CAS?
Vin's are the same and match the vehicle VIN.
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1 of your errors makes me think that someone had tried to program the car and failed

94c1 - SZL coding error

What is the SZL VIN?

Then a few are low voltage issues.

I would find someone else who has an E60 M5 and compare the version of software/ZB# in these modules - SZL, DME, CAS, SIM/SGM

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