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E60 / E61 (2004 - 2010)
BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 05-12-2018, 10:27 AM
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And below are the PDF's for E61 Sports Wagon (1 file), relevant 9-2005 Production Changes (3 files) and March 2007 Updates (5 files)... plus the 5er bus diagrams.

I'll do another post focused on the powertrain shortly.
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File Type: pdf E61 Sport Wagon.pdf (1.95 MB, 149 views)
File Type: pdf 07a_ACSM.pdf (1,002.2 KB, 354 views)
File Type: pdf 07b_DSC8_plus.pdf (335.0 KB, 205 views)
File Type: pdf 07c_E6x Model Updates.pdf (1.26 MB, 183 views)
File Type: pdf 01_Lane Departure Warning.pdf (721.0 KB, 282 views)
File Type: pdf 02_USB-Audio Interface.pdf (204.5 KB, 118 views)
File Type: pdf 03_IBOC Update.pdf (71.2 KB, 96 views)
File Type: pdf 04_E60-E61 Model Update.pdf (345.0 KB, 170 views)
File Type: pdf 05_Longitudinal Dynamics Systems.pdf (953.1 KB, 96 views)
File Type: pdf 03_5 Series Bus Charts.pdf (933.3 KB, 194 views)
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Thank you very much for this self study and know how. Ordered up a zf trans service kit from fcpeuro. Next on long list of maintenance items for our 85k mile 535xi wagon...
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Old 05-13-2018, 05:51 AM
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BMW has their powertrain training literature spread over several modules, so below are 5 of the most relevant. For those with the 545i, see the literature I posted in the 7 Series DIY forum: https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=659194

Lastly, there are 3 PDF's on options that were introduced at various times through production.
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File Type: pdf 04_N52 Engine.pdf (2.21 MB, 143 views)
File Type: pdf 05_MSV70 Engine Electronics.pdf (2.10 MB, 137 views)
File Type: pdf 2007 n54-2 Engine Management.pdf (1.11 MB, 108 views)
File Type: pdf 05_NG Engine Technology.pdf (1.67 MB, 128 views)
File Type: pdf BMW Night Vision.pdf (610.3 KB, 91 views)
File Type: pdf High Beam Assistant_web.pdf (487.5 KB, 288 views)
File Type: pdf Car Information Computer_web.pdf (2.05 MB, 214 views)
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Great! Thanks! Just the MSV70 doc is a wealth of good N52 theory and ops, and the rest are great as well.

(Everyone -- download these while they're available.....)
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Thank you!!

These are documents are extremely informative!! Thank you!!!
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I'm trying my damndest to download and all the links are broken. Please help!
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Old 06-13-2018, 08:12 AM
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V 4.8 New Version

This is where the latest version of "So You Just Bought an E60" will live.

Since posts lock after a certain time on Bimmerfest, we're moving the most recent version to google drive. The URL below will always pull up the latest. The pdf at the bottom of the post will be removed.

As a result, the "Changes" description will always be on the title page of the file from now on.

Goal is to summarize most of the issues and comments for the new, less experienced E60 owners or potential buyers who are showing up.

Work in process, and it will get additions/changes. Edited versions will always appear in the most recent version of this message.

Thanks to all for finding typos etc. Please comment if you have additional ideas.



Hope it helps!

(Once this works for awhile, we'll move this to the top post).

"So You Just Bought an E60": https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Eu...7QE7j9Z5QtIlh7
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You could link to an external hoster, e.g. a Google Drive folder or similar.
Link will stay the same (folder won't change) but you can change the contents.
Thanks, Chris. Finally took your good advice -- now I need to get bimmerfest to put the link in the right place.....
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My contribution to so your just bought a e60.. will be the same that i did for the so you just bought a e39

the cars are almost the same.. Minus that stupid turbo thing they tried to do..

a few quality things your going to need to be able to keep the car on the road your self.

basic hand tools, screw driver flat and phillips #1 and 2 basic socket set 8mm - 19mm
a pry bar of normal length a allen key set (socket of wrench your choice 4mm-18mm)

you will need a good multi meter
you will need a good scan tool

thats its.. these cars are super easy to work on.. We have a saying at the shop.. they are easy to work on cause they are designed to be worked on because they are all ways breaking down

you should also just bite the bullet and buy the service manual set.. Trying to scroll thru your Iphone while your hands are greasy when your laying on your back.. is just bad practice..


everything on these cars pretty much comes apart with a hand full of tools..

you should also get your self a nice set of torx drivers or sockets..
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I was in WallyWorld yesterday picking up several bags of water softener salt and past through the automotive section. Low and behold, they now carries Castrol Edge 5w-40 Full Synthetic.
-API SN/CF
-ACEA A3/B4
-BMW Longlife-01
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Longlife-04 is the recommended standard for oil in our E60s
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Longlife-04 is the recommended standard for oil in our E60s
LL04 is for low sulfur gas as found in Europe and Diesel engines, not for gas engines in NA.


Longlife-04 oils
These have been developed to guarantee an optimum service life for the particulate filter in diesel engines. These oils are stipulated for all diesel engines with particulate filter, but may also be used in almost all other BMW engines. Like Longlife-01 and Longlife-01 FE oils, they satisfy currently BMW's most stringent quality requirements. Longlife-04 oils must not be used in BMW spark-ignition engines in countries outside Europe (EU plus Switzerland, Norway and Liechtenstein).

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not for gas engines in NA.
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cant repeat that enough for all our state side users.
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Wow this is awesome information, thank you so much!
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Reminder --

The most recent version of "So You Just Bought..." will always be here:

"So You Just Bought an E60": POST #33

The reason the earlier versions are elsewhere in this thread is that BF locks posts after a few days, and even the owner can't delete them. And, getting them to selectively delete obsolete posts is almost impossible.

So, go there for the latest release, and remember to copy all the training files in this thread to your chosen BMW folder.

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Awesome information in this post. I wish I knew of this before I picked up my 148K mile 2006 530i. Even though I got it for (what I thought was) a deal at an auction, after reading through the "So You Just Bought an E60" I am realizing the error of my thinking. Thank you for the info and hopefully I will be able to contribute something in return in the future.
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Domni51, the E60 is a fine car. We have two, a 530xi wagon and a 535xi sedan. They are reasonably easy to repair and a blast to drive. Proper maintenance will make it last a long time.
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Awesome information in this post. I wish I knew of this before I picked up my 148K mile 2006 530i. Even though I got it for (what I thought was) a deal at an auction, after reading through the "So You Just Bought an E60" I am realizing the error of my thinking. Thank you for the info and hopefully I will be able to contribute something in return in the future.
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Domni51, the E60 is a fine car. We have two, a 530xi wagon and a 535xi sedan. They are reasonably easy to repair and a blast to drive. Proper maintenance will make it last a long time.
I have two BMW's: an '07 530 (N52) and a'07 328xit (N52). Both are very solid cars -- and that said, both need steady maintenance. The N52 is a straightforward engine that will do 200K+ easily if maintained.

Good news it, they are easy to work on with the right tools and diagnostics. Put in your own labor and they're cheap to keep.

Bad news is that third party repairs are stupidly expensive, so like any BMW, think twice if you have to hire a mechanic to do your work.

So, Domni, your could have a easy to fix hobby car that's a blast to drive, or you could have an expensive burden. Hope it's the former. Pleople here will help you through the "usual" fixes.
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Awesome information in this post. I wish I knew of this before I picked up my 148K mile 2006 530i. Even though I got it for (what I thought was) a deal at an auction, after reading through the "So You Just Bought an E60" I am realizing the error of my thinking. Thank you for the info and hopefully I will be able to contribute something in return in the future.
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Domni51, the E60 is a fine car. We have two, a 530xi wagon and a 535xi sedan. They are reasonably easy to repair and a blast to drive. Proper maintenance will make it last a long time.
I have two BMW's: an '07 530 (N52) and a'07 328xit (N52). Both are very solid cars -- and that said, both need steady maintenance. The N52 is a straightforward engine that will do 200K+ easily if maintained.

Good news is, they are easy to work on with the right tools and diagnostics. Put in your own labor and they're cheap to keep.

Bad news is that third party repairs are stupidly expensive, so like any BMW, think twice if you have to hire a mechanic to do your work.

So, Domni, your could have a easy to fix hobby car that's a blast to drive, or you could have an expensive burden. Hope it's the former, and the N52 makes it likely. People here will help you through the "usual" fixes.
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banglenot, thank you so much for your "So you just bought an E60" PDF! It is very helpful! I do a have a quick question for you though. You said that the diversity module can cause many issues; can it cause problems with the comfort access? I am having issues with comfort access as well as my push to start so I am debating if I should invest in a new key (I only have one key), or if I need to replace this diversity module.

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banglenot, thank you so much for your "So you just bought an E60" PDF! It is very helpful! I do a have a quick question for you though. You said that the diversity module can cause many issues; can it cause problems with the comfort access? I am having issues with comfort access as well as my push to start so I am debating if I should invest in a new key (I only have one key), or if I need to replace this diversity module.

Thanks for the help,
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Best approach on questions is to start a thread explaining the issue in detail, identifying your car, and getting feedback from the membership. Experienced people have little reason to read this thread -- as you can see by the delay to your response, even I don't read it all that much. Use a clear summary in your Thread title (not "help!" fer cripes sake). Others have experienced similar issues and will share their knowledge.
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New member here, and I'm looking at purchasing either of two '08 550i M Sports up here in Canada. I'm hoping to lean on your experience to help me decide. (I had tried to post a new thread about this, but I don't think it went through.) I've also read through V4.8 of the So You Just Bought an E60.pdf, and have a copy of the Mike Miller Maintenance Schedule. The two vehicles are as follows:

Option 1:

'08 550i M Sport 6sp - ~200,000 km (125,000 mi)

Current owner says that the Park assist and TPMS are not currently working with the vehicle. Recent maintenance as per the current owner "Within the last year has had both front and rear brakes done, new water pump, radiator, coolant reservoir and both rear summer and rear winter tires replaced."

Option 2:

'08 55i M Sport Auto - ~110,000 km (70,000 mi)

Current owner says that nothing is wrong with the vehicle (we'll see what the inspection has to say about that).

I would prefer to go with the 6sp, however the higher mileage and TPMS/Park Assist issues concern me. I've read that the higher mileage buys may be better due to major maintenance being completed already (case in point, the cooling system being replaced), but is this too high of mileage? As for the TPMS/Park assist, what kind of rabbit hole can that be? I've found some resources on here with regards to the TPMS, however not so much on the park assist. How complex of a system is it? Could it be an issue like replacing a sensor, or whole control module and engaging the car's computer to re-program it? I assume it's not necessary to have in order to drive, but what could the root cause be and can it cause failure to other systems?

Both owners have service records that I plan to compare against the Roundel schedule as well as the inspection to see what immediate work may be required on the vehicle (and use this to bargain down the price).

What would you do in this situation?

By the way, banglenot, this guide probably the single best resource for buying a particular vehicle that I have EVER come across. Thank you for putting this together.
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New member here, and I'm looking at purchasing either of two '08 550i M Sports up here in Canada. I'm hoping to lean on your experience to help me decide. (I had tried to post a new thread about this, but I don't think it went through.) I've also read through V4.8 of the So You Just Bought an E60.pdf, and have a copy of the Mike Miller Maintenance Schedule. The two vehicles are as follows:

Option 1:

'08 550i M Sport 6sp - ~200,000 km (125,000 mi)

Current owner says that the Park assist and TPMS are not currently working with the vehicle. Recent maintenance as per the current owner "Within the last year has had both front and rear brakes done, new water pump, radiator, coolant reservoir and both rear summer and rear winter tires replaced."

Option 2:

'08 55i M Sport Auto - ~110,000 km (70,000 mi)

Current owner says that nothing is wrong with the vehicle (we'll see what the inspection has to say about that).

I would prefer to go with the 6sp, however the higher mileage and TPMS/Park Assist issues concern me. I've read that the higher mileage buys may be better due to major maintenance being completed already (case in point, the cooling system being replaced), but is this too high of mileage? As for the TPMS/Park assist, what kind of rabbit hole can that be? I've found some resources on here with regards to the TPMS, however not so much on the park assist. How complex of a system is it? Could it be an issue like replacing a sensor, or whole control module and engaging the car's computer to re-program it? I assume it's not necessary to have in order to drive, but what could the root cause be and can it cause failure to other systems?

Both owners have service records that I plan to compare against the Roundel schedule as well as the inspection to see what immediate work may be required on the vehicle (and use this to bargain down the price).

What would you do in this situation?

By the way, banglenot, this guide probably the single best resource for buying a particular vehicle that I have EVER come across. Thank you for putting this together.
Thanks for your kind words. Downloaded 30K+ times, I hope it's helped people.

All other things being equal (including price), if the tranny type didn't matter, I'd choose the 70K unit in a heartbeat. 50K miles is a lot of miles and condition >80K or so is so dependent on completed maintenance. At these miles, the owner who really cares can have a car like new; one who couldn't give a **** might have a rolling nightmare.

The manual would really have to matter for me to exchange it for 50K miles.

One thing on either is checking the valve guide seals during the PPI.

IMHO, and all that. Good to hear you're doing a PPI -- unless you can DIY, items can add up fast.
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