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BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 03-07-2019, 08:18 PM
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Ok ,, here you go .. The bolts and lock nuts that need to be replaced are in the charts . I went ahead and posted all the torque specs you'll need ,, along with my written cheat sheet . I went to the dealer and got all the nuts and bolts ..
Just curious...Are these bolts 1 time use or were you just concerned with the stresses they have taken?
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Old 03-07-2019, 08:52 PM
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Just curious...Are these bolts 1 time use or were you just concerned with the stresses they have taken?
If I remember correctly they are one time use . Those charts are from my Bentley manual which states to replace them and some lock nuts . Also keep in mind that new nuts come with the control arms . And those bolts need to be replaced according to the Bentley manual .
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Old 03-08-2019, 06:50 AM
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If I remember correctly they are one time use . Those charts are from my Bentley manual which states to replace them and some lock nuts . Also keep in mind that new nuts come with the control arms . And those bolts need to be replaced according to the Bentley manual .
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:20 PM
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Ok ,, here you go .. The bolts and lock nuts that need to be replaced are in the charts . I went ahead and posted all the torque specs you'll need ,, along with my written cheat sheet . I went to the dealer and got all the nuts and bolts ..
Why is your cheat sheet different from the bentley manual?
The ball joint nuts in the front steering knuckle should all be 165NM, your sheet says 80/80/165.
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Old 03-08-2019, 11:33 PM
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Why is your cheat sheet different from the bentley manual?
The ball joint nuts in the front steering knuckle should all be 165NM, your sheet says 80/80/165.
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Tie rod end to knuckle should be 165 Nm
Wishbone swivel to knuckle should be 165 Nm
Tension strut to knuckle should be 165 Nm
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:37 PM
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Why is your cheat sheet different from the bentley manual?
The ball joint nuts in the front steering knuckle should all be 165NM, your sheet says 80/80/165.
Actually they are not the same ,,, the wish bone and ball joint torque is 80Nm . See attached information which supports the torque specs on my cheat sheet ..

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+1

Tie rod end to knuckle should be 165 Nm
Wishbone swivel to knuckle should be 165 Nm
Tension strut to knuckle should be 165 Nm
Sorry MR goodie but your incorrect here bud , they are not all the same torque .. 165Nm for the ball joint and wishbones is way way too much torque for the size of bolts . which could lead to stripped nuts or bolts ,or even a cracked bolt from too much torque ..

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...mounts/5jtS88K
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6AZ Wishbone to swivel bearing/steering knuckle
E39, E53, E52, E83, E60 / 4WD, E61 /
4WD, E67 Replace nut 80Nm

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3AZ Tie rod end to steering knuckle / swivel bearing
E53, E60 / Four Wheel Drive, E61 /
Four Wheel Drive, E67, E83 Replace nut . 80 Nm
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Old 03-09-2019, 08:17 PM
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H F you are looking at the wrong line.
80Nm is the spec for xdrive models, which actually have different wishbones and tie rod ends. I have highlighted in green the correct spec.





I am assuming "Rear end" is an inaccurate translation for Rear wheel drive models.
Also, all the nuts and ball joints are identical, why would one be ok at 165Nm and not the other two?
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H F you are looking at the wrong line.
80Nm is the spec for xdrive models, which actually have different wishbones and tie rod ends. I have highlighted in green the correct spec.





I am assuming "Rear end" is an inaccurate translation for Rear wheel drive models.
Also, all the nuts and ball joints are identical, why would one be ok at 165Nm and not the other two?
You know what , I should have caught that !! .. YOU guys are totally right ..

Thanks Markst and oldie ,, for pointing that out ,, appreciate the correction ..

Ill torque them up to 165 . Think that was my only mistake out of this whole project , That's not bad at all ..
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Old 03-09-2019, 11:43 PM
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lol i guess now is a good time to say, I wouldn't have used the torque wrench here anyway

only did this "improperly" dozens if not hundreds of times.. never had anything fall apart or wear out or anything like that
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:19 AM
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lol i guess now is a good time to say, I wouldn't have used the torque wrench here anyway

only did this "improperly" dozens if not hundreds of times.. never had anything fall apart or wear out or anything like that
You could get together with Joel Osteen and help him work on his car. He doesn't use torque wrenches either. (just kidding)
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:49 AM
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lol i guess now is a good time to say, I wouldn't have used the torque wrench here anyway

only did this "improperly" dozens if not hundreds of times.. never had anything fall apart or wear out or anything like that
There are somethings that are not that critical not to torque . But ,, when it comes to steering and suspension components , I'd say it's good practice to torque them down to specs ..
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:53 AM
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You could get together with Joel Osteen and help him work on his car. He doesn't use torque wrenches either. (just kidding)
Ha ! That made me laugh . Good one
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Old 03-10-2019, 01:59 PM
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You could get together with Joel Osteen and help him work on his car. He doesn't use torque wrenches either. (just kidding)
check this out.. i was 10 and a half, like 36" tall lol

i had a yz125 *i couldn't stop with it i had to dismount it like a horse or find a tree to lean up on, anyway.. i did a top end on it..

didnt torque the head, found out all that jazz about what you can get away with, and what you cant get away with when it comes to using torque, well i was in the woods of bangor maine some 500 miles away on vacation with my parents

bike ran for a good hour b4 it lost compression...

point is im experienced, so things like suspension toruqe'n is for people who dont want there **** to fall apart, Me heads, bottem ends, flywheels and clutches.. rear end dif's, internals... By the numbers.... water pumps naw lol

this other guy has spread so much rice on his bmw Idk what to say.. but im calling it.. 20 months he will be no more Ill buy a round for anyone who wants that bet
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Wow a lot of great reading!!! I have done the entire suspension, but keep driving the sachs front struts beyond their abilities. They always leak. Second set in 20,000 miles. Final thoughts on KW,V3???
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HF: it's been a few months since you completed this upgrade. Can you give a summary of how the car feels now, and your level of satisfaction with the results?

I ask because Winter is Coming, and I'm planning to put my 2010 E60 on blocks soon to clean up the slop in my front suspension, and plan to use the winter months here in Seattle to dink away at it while I have no pressure to get the girl back on the road. I'm pretty much thinking at this point that I'll follow your well-worn path, but...

If you have any second thoughts on the parts or choices you made, after getting some miles on the wheels and windshield time, I'd appreciate the input.

My "newish"-to-me 2010 E60 550i has ~72K miles on it, only 2K of which I am responsible for. It feels a little sloppy to me, and has quite a bit of understeer that I want to clean up. I know from prior experience that this thing can corner and behave better than this.

Right now, from what I can see, you're kind of THE MAN, so I'd really appreciate your feedback. Is your setup gonna rattle my fillings? Does it still need "something," or is it just right. Go!
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