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BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 09-09-2019, 12:41 AM
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Best repair manual? Best diagnostic tool? And more n54 questions

So I just bought my first bmw itís a 08. 535i and I have a rough idle and a fuel pump code. So Iím looking to get new diagnostic tool and Iím wondering what is the best tool for these cars.

Also Iím looking to get a repair manual so I can OHM test all my sensors. So what is the best repair manual.

In the mean time my repair plan is to clean the injectors , and test the HPFP pressure,However I havenít noticed a schrader vavler on the fuel rail. So is there a schrader valve ? If not how do you test for fuel pressure.
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Old 09-09-2019, 05:51 AM
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I use Carly. Diagnostic & coding is good. I cannot say what is the best but it works for me.
http://support.mycarly.com/knowledge...app-fro-carly/

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Old 09-09-2019, 05:55 AM
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1) Bentley service manual.
2) Foxwell NT510 is decent and cheap.

You wouldn't want a Schrader valve on the high pressure line - it runs at up to 200BAR (2900psi). Car has a transducer to check pressure and can be live tested with the Foxwell.

Oh, and why do you think you need to 'clean' the injectors? They either work or they don't, and if they leak you'll have all kinds of evidence as the car will run like crap and throw misfire codes.

Rough idle: a little vibration or a lot of shaking? Most likely you need to clean your intake ports/valves.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:09 AM
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Newtis.info has everything and then some. It's a good idea to get the Bentley manual for easy reference but it's not complete. I have the protool app instead of Carly. Lots of owners have set up BMW inpa software, etc.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:39 AM
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" The best"?
Software package called BMW Tools, includes IN PA and others.
www.realoem.com for part numbers and diagrams.
www.newtis.info for diagnosis and procedures.
Bentley manual would be handy.
Now the best isn't always the best choice, I say this the software has a pretty steep learning curve.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:50 AM
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First off , thank you all for the replies !
So right now I have a p3090 HPFP code . The is in low power mode and the HPFP appears very new.

The symptoms
On a cold start the car will barely fire up, usually stalls once or twice .It will stumble and and idle around 600-800 RPMs. Then the car will adjust its idle to run around 1300RPM. After one minute of that the car drops the idle down to 1000 rpm and idles absolutely fine , NO stumbling.
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Old 09-09-2019, 06:56 AM
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There's a progression.

New to E60? Start with Foxwell 510 (or 520, at this point) with BMW software ($150 or so), because it's easy to use and gets detailed data. Get the Bentley manual, for around $100, because it's accessible. Foxwell is not the only one, but you MUST have access to the BMW codes whatever you order. Also, get a SW updatable unit.

On the DIY learning curve? Part numbers: realoem.com, free. Learn to find good OEM alternatives to BMW's vastly overpriced equivalent. Repairs: More sophisticated details, excellent torque values reference: newtis.info. (free)

More sophisticated, either already a good wrench on other cars, or getting knowledgeable about E60s : INPA and ISTA (free): BMW service level tools, often very complex and have a steep learning curve. Particularly with INPA, you can make mistakes and mess up your car in a few places -- but if you stick to diagnostics, it's one of the best for the inner details. ISTA is more foolproof and intuitive. Really sophisticated: Various coding packages.

But start with "easy" and "simple": Foxwell (or equivalent)/BMW SW, and the Bentley. Start mixing in realoem and newtis as you learn.

BTW, I've used Carly for years, and am fine with it, but Foxwell is plug and go for the newbie. Carly has a decent basic options setting package, but a crappy sensor info routine (100+ sensors in alphabetical order?). I'll haul it out for a quick code check, or an options selection, but for serious work there are others.
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:46 PM
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leaky injectors

So I have done some further diagnostic on the 535I and found that all my spark plugs smell like gas, and #2***3 are soaked in fuel. so it clearly could use some injectors. how ever I'm curious if leaky injectors will throw a p3090 (HPFP) code and put my car into low power mode.
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Old 09-19-2019, 06:16 PM
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Have you read and tried the post just above yours?
Just because you have fuel on the plugs does not automatically mean injectors.
Start with newtis for your diagnostic but you will need the tools mentioned above.
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:01 PM
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i have ran into some issues trying to register my foxwell. so im awaiting a response from the company, in the mean time i just figured would do some basic diagnostic work. so my car has been sitting for 2 weeks and 2# 3# plugs are still soaked. so i figure if i do compression test and i have good compression then that points a little further towards the injectors.
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Old 09-25-2019, 07:36 PM
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Wet plugs is a pretty good indication of a leaking high pressure injector. When #6 on mine got leaky it would start OK, then after a short time it would bog and stumble and throw the CEL. If I re-started after a couple of minutes it would run OK again for a good long time - in fact, I drove it 600km in a day when it was giving me the problems and it ran fine the whole way. On re-start it would repeat the problem.
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:09 PM
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mine does the opposite , starts hard and idles rough at first then clears up. im assuming this is because it sits for too long and floods 2/3 cylinder. what is the best injector removing and installing tools?
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Old 09-30-2019, 08:52 PM
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I bought this one and it works great. Cheap too. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...m-b130270kplus
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1) Bentley service manual.
2) Foxwell NT510 is decent and cheap.



the problem is a lot of you guys try to get the admin status scan tool.. and end up doing more damage to your selfs

the NT510 and the bentley is more then enough for 90% of you guys,

this is what i have (*among other things)

this is what i recommend everyone has
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I bought this one and it works great. Cheap too. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/bmw...m-b130270kplus
perfect that is the one i had in mind.
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Old 10-02-2019, 09:03 AM
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perfect that is the one i had in mind.
Cool. Make sure you clean it before you install the new injector seals. And when you put the smallest shrink die on to shrink the seal, leave a small gap between the die and the injector shank so you can get a small screwdriver in to help it start moving for removal. Otherwise it's a bear to pull the die off the injector.

Make sure you code the new injectors to the ECU before you run the car.
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