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Yeah, I remember how fast your BMW was.... a stock 330i is/was faster then your I6.
Don't start me on that one (unless you are reall prepared for it )

5-60mph for the new 330i 2.0T 2019 is no significantly better than a 328i I6 2008. Real world mpg are even similar, but that 2.0T sounds like a f*ing Civic. Of course the 2008 had neither direct injection or 8-sp.
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Don't start me on that one (unless you are reall prepared for it )

5-60mph for the new 330i 2.0T 2019 is no significantly better than a 328i I6 2008. Real world mpg are even similar, but that 2.0T sounds like a f*ing Civic. Of course the 2008 had neither direct injection or 8-sp.
Once again you skirt the issue
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Unrelated, but ... There has been a Mississippi river quantity of virtual ink spent discussing the issue of turbocharged 4 cylinder and NA 6 cylinder over at P car forum. Nobody even dreams of saying the performance is not there and who would see whose exhaust pipes. That's pretty clear. However, that said, performance might not be the most important thing - even in a sports car.

I, for one, am totally excited to see Mazda 6 with optional inline 6 engine. Kudos to Mazda, I just might decide to give them my money if they don't screw it up (mandatory sunroofs or turbos or AT, for example). Then imagine ME Miata with NA inline 6 crammed into the nose! Profile of a shrunk Jag E-Type ...
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Unrelated, but ... There has been a Mississippi river quantity of virtual ink spent discussing the issue of turbocharged 4 cylinder and NA 6 cylinder over at P car forum. Nobody even dreams of saying the performance is not there and who would see whose exhaust pipes. That's pretty clear. However, that said, performance might not be the most important thing - even in a sports car.

I, for one, am totally excited to see Mazda 6 with optional inline 6 engine. Kudos to Mazda, I just might decide to give them my money if they don't screw it up (mandatory sunroofs or turbos or AT, for example). Then imagine ME Miata with NA inline 6 crammed into the nose! Profile of a shrunk Jag E-Type ...
I'm happy to see Mazda thinking outside the box, however, wasn't Mazda putting the 2.3l turbo 3 into the Mazda 6? Now, if Mazda is going to buck the Japaneses trend and go RWD and offer a I6 I would be really excited.
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Some very odd comments in that article. The BMW was faster and had better handling and skidpad numbers than the Genesis yet came in third to it. They complained about minor styling issues on the 330i and didn't like all the steering wheel buttons. Odd criteria.
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I'm surprised C&D and MT are not getting better 0-60 times for the 330i. The new 4 cylinder has much more torque, and doesn't the G20 also weigh less? Seems their 0-60 times are pretty much the same as the previous generation - 5.2 for the xdrive, 5.4 for RWD. When I test drove the G20, it "felt" punchier than the F30.
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Some very odd comments in that article. The BMW was faster and had better handling and skidpad numbers than the Genesis yet came in third to it. They complained about minor styling issues on the 330i and didn't like all the steering wheel buttons. Odd criteria.
Agree. Not unusual now to see a car win on the objective tests & lose on the "opinion" ones.
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Not unusual now to see a car win on the objective tests & lose on the "opinion" ones.
Automobile comparison tests in magazines like Motor Trend have always been a combination of objective measurements and subjective assessments.
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Very well stated gkr778!

Another facet of the C&D thing is that the 3 series was on the top ten list for such a long time, and to be so panned now, the negatives really stand out. I think the only car that has been on the top ten list more is the Honda Accord.

Let's think about that a little... What would you rather have a Honda Accord, or a BMW 3 series- now really think about that.

I can say I'm a qualified person on this one in that I bought a new Accord in 1979, a Prelude in 1983, and a Ridgeline in '14. Hondas are good solid cars, but not in the same league as BMW. How truly objective is the Top Ten List? The 2 series is on there, but not the 3? The whole thing just doesn't make sense.

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The 10Best list has never been fully objective, nor is any car-magazine review or comparison. If objective performance was the only metric, they'd all uniformly recommend the McLaren Senna and nothing else.

The 10Best list is about the total package, including such fuzzy metrics as value for money. The selection criteria have included a price cap almost since the inception of the list. The obvious intent there is to prevent "unlimited budget" from defining "best car"--a $200,000+ car damned well better be one of the best in the world.

The Honda Accord has been every bit as good an all-around car--in its segment--as the 3 Series, for decades. Different focus, different market, but still an excellent all-around vehicle. The 2 Series trumped the 3 Series largely because it retains some driver-focused attributes that were blunted in the F30 3 Series generation.

Also recall that for most of the 3 Series' reign on the 10Best list, it was both the entry-level BMW and the bread-and-butter cash-cow BMW--i.e., best value for money. The 3 Series today is still the cash cow, and the aspirational target for entry-luxury buyers, but the 2 Series is arguably the better all-around deal.

The G20 was not on sale in January, the cutoff date to be eligible for the list. Next year, we shall see.
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Don't start me on that one (unless you are reall prepared for it )

5-60mph for the new 330i 2.0T 2019 is no significantly better than a 328i I6 2008. Real world mpg are even similar, but that 2.0T sounds like a f*ing Civic. Of course the 2008 had neither direct injection or 8-sp.
You didn't. I guess I don't understand why Mazda coming out with an optional I6 means anything in this context. BMW already offers an optional I6, with a turbo. I assume you are complaining about the I4 being the base engine but Mazda does the same. I'm confused.

I apologize for being late with this response. I did not see your earlier post.
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I wouldn't say brutal. I think it's mostly because they were testing the AWD version. Most mags that have tested the non-AWD or M sport versions seem to commend the changes. I have personally never driven an AWD car whose steering feels as good as the non-awd version.

58k is way too much though for this car, and it's about 68k for the M340i. Too much technology. BMW needs to be careful about that. On one hand, that's what a lot of buyers want nowadays, Apple Carplay, tech, etc. etc. but they can't forget that this isn't a kia and most buyers won't be smitten by that. They want a car that can drive and drive well. That's the core buyers for BMW. If buyers don't care about the driving, there are many other companies that are better overall.

Yes 58k is a joke considering in 3 years it will be in the 20's after it massively depreciates. I drove one as a loaner, it in no way corrects the f30 shortcomings or harkens back to the E90. It could easily have had an infiniti badge on it.
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Yes 58k is a joke considering in 3 years it will be in the 20's after it massively depreciates. I drove one as a loaner, it in no way corrects the f30 shortcomings or harkens back to the E90. It could easily have had an infiniti badge on it.
Who's paying 58K for a loaded 330i? I bought the M340i for 56.7K with a window sticker MSRP of 63.9K. I could have gotten it down to 55.7K with a loyalty discount, but no BMW owners in the household. You need to talk to the right dealership on the right day at the right time when incentives are available and they will work the price down.

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