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Next-generation F30 BMW M3 coming with a 3.3-liter V6 engine and 440 hp

It's not a secret anymore that the next-generation Bmw M3, which will hit the market in 2012, will lose its V8 engine in favor of a smaller and more powerful V6. We found out from our German sources that the next-generation Bmw M3 will receive a twin-turbo 3.3-liter V6 engine capable to deliver around 440 hp. Still, the new car will also be lighter than the current model. For those who don't know, the current Bmw M3 model comes with a 4.0-liter V8 engine delivering 309 kW/420 hp. Power is transmitted via the rear wheels through a standard six-speed manual gearbox, but for those who want more an optional M double-clutch gearbox with Drivelogic is available.

The engine pushes the car from 0 to 100 km/h (62 mph) in just 4.6 seconds using the M double-clutch gearbox with Drivelogic, while the model fitted with a six-speed manual transmission achieves the sames speed in 4.8 seconds.

As usual, top speed is limited to 250 km/h or 155 mph. Average fuel consumption in the EU test cycle is 11.9 litres/23.7 mpg imp (six-speed manual: 12.4 litres/22.8 mpg imp)/100 kilometres. Furthermore, the current model comes as standard with a lightweight carbon roof, while the options include Electronic Damper Control and the M Drive menu.

Source - http://www.4wheelsnews.com/next-gene...v6-and-440-hp/

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While the I6 is smoother, its a space hog, especially since it needs to be leaned over for height reasons. As long as its HPFP is ok...

And for being "lighter", that doesn't mean much without specifics, given that the E90 M3 weighs more than a E34 M5, and in convertible trim, more than a E39 M5.
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The words V6 and BMW should never be used in the same sentence. BMW seems to really be losing its way in terms of its design philosophies. The M3 has always been a naturally aspirated car and should remain that way. If you want to use 6 cylinders, fine, but make sure its an inline 6.

I just don't like where BMW is going in terms of compromising its values.
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I'm gonna play wait and see on this one but I'm sensing epic failure. Or a revolt. If you can't get a fuel pump right, how the hell are you going to develop a high performance V6. The direction of this company really sucks now because THERE IS NO DIRECTION.
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I doubt it's actually a v6. A lot of people use V6 to mean any 6 cylinder egine (even auto writers that should know better).
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I doubt it's actually a v6. A lot of people use V6 to mean any 6 cylinder egine (even auto writers that should know better).
Exactly. I'm betting it's a typo from an ignorant writer.
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Exactly. I'm betting it's a typo from an ignorant writer.
I agree. Tuners are already getting this power level from the N54 block, which is pretty much a standard issue BMW I6. I'm sure BMW knows how to design a purpose built I6 for the M that will kick butt. It'll be interesting to see if they go for the locomotive torque route, or stick with the traditional high HP @ high rpm formula used on previous M's.
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Why not just turbocharge the 8 for some really rediculous horsepower (and probably better mileage) instead of watering everything down with a 6? Seems like a no-brainer. Now Audi and Merc will really have no trouble spanking us
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Why not just turbocharge the 8 for some really rediculous horsepower (and probably better mileage) instead of watering everything down with a 6? Seems like a no-brainer. Now Audi and Merc will really have no trouble spanking us
That's because the M variant of the V8TT is now reserved for the f10 M5 (and the X5/6 Ms). Not so no-brainer.

Need to keep the weight down and linear power delivery instead of focusing on the theoretical max power.
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I own E46 M3 right now, I don't like the current E92 M3 V8 at all
I hoped, that the next generation will bring back the 6-cyl inline naturally aspirated engine and I might like it and buy it, but LOL V6 twin-turbo in M3, an epic fail even with 440HP (reliability, turbo lag, V engine etc. this cannot be an M3 car)
It looks like I will drive my E46 M3 forever... I actually have no any single reason to change it! I looks like E46 will be the last real classic M3 car ...
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I own E46 M3 right now, I don't like the current E92 M3 V8 at all
I hoped, that the next generation will bring back the 6-cyl inline naturally aspirated engine and I might like it and buy it, but LOL V6 twin-turbo in M3, an epic fail even with 440HP (reliability, turbo lag, V engine etc. this cannot be an M3 car)
It looks like I will drive my E46 M3 forever... I actually have no any single reason to change it! I looks like E46 will be the last real classic M3 car ...
Which part of the S65 V8 didn't you like? I also own a Z4M Coupe, so I am very familiar with the S54. There are aspects of the e9x that I don't like, but the engine isn't one of them. The S65 is one of the BEST engines produced by BMW (or any other manufacturer for that matter) and loves to rev much like the S54. If I had to choose between the two, I would pick the S65 over the S54 any day of the week.

If you are waiting for an NA I6-based M3, yeah, you're pretty much stuck with your aging e46.
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Oh please. My Z4M gets 1 or 2 more MPG than my e93 M (both manual). I will take that trade-off any day given the power advantage.
Well, I can get 25 to 28 MPG when traveling (70 - 80 MPH highway) in my E46 M3. In talking to some friends with E90 M3 it didn't sound like they were doing quite as well.

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Well, I can get 25 to 28 MPG when traveling (70 - 80 MPH highway) in my E46 M3. In talking to some friends with E90 M3 it didn't sound like they were doing quite as well.
I had an E46 M3 for 3 years, and 28MPG is something I saw only going downhill with a strong tail wind. The E46 M3 was not a mpg champ by any means. You could drive it like an old lady and maybe keep it in the upper teens in combined driving. But get on the throttle, and that thing sucked serious fuel. It was no secret, as you had to pay a gas guzzler tax when you bought it.
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