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Old 10-03-2018, 05:12 PM
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In the article, I found something interesting....
BMW will offer a six-speed manual transmission in certain diesel 3-series, but the only transmission offered in the U.S. will be an eight-speed auto. "Sadly, the take rate on manuals is declining and declining," product manager Stephan Horn tells us when we question this decision."

So no diesel for the US (or at least right now) and no more manual. So the take rate for a manual 3 series is on the decline, could that be, because BMW dealers aren't stocking them and people aren't willing to wait 6 weekish to order one? would the take rate increase if dealers order more manuals?? Porsche doesn't seem to have a problem selling manual cars, so the new Genisis G70 will have its own niche by offering a manual.
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Good, why drive manuals when you can get the ZF 8 speed. I hope they kill the manual completely so I don't have to hear people complaining about lack of manuals but don't buy manuals.
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:52 PM
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I spent 20 years driving manuals. Every time I drove an automatic, I hated it. That is until the ZF 8 speed in my 340i. It provides a lot (but not all) of the enjoyment and engagement of a manual, and given the amount of traffic I have to deal with, it was a NO BRAINER. I have an S2000 that I can take out to scratch the manual itch. But for a daily driver in an urban area, the ZF 8 Speed fits the bill.

The reason dealers stopped stocking manuals is because people stopped buying them. Why would a dealer stock a product that nobody was buying? If there were a demand for manuals, dealers would stock them. But they aren't going to fill their lots with cars they can't move.

I love manuals. I miss manuals. I'm glad I have my S2000 to drive for enjoyment. But for my everyday life, the ZF 8 Speed is fun, engaging and rewarding to drive. If I had to pick one car with one transmission, it would be the ZF. God, I can't believe I'm saying that. I never thought I'd see the day where I prefer paddles to a manual if I had to pick only one car.
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Old 10-04-2018, 02:57 PM
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Good, why drive manuals when you can get the ZF 8 speed. I hope they kill the manual completely so I don't have to hear people complaining about lack of manuals but don't buy manuals.
Who are these people you speak of?
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Wow - the 340i torque and power specs are quite the jump. Nearly 400 torque and horsepower put it above the S4 and AMG C43 - two cars x35/x40 have typically lagged on paper when it comes to engine specs.

My only fear is the Gxx 4 series will mimic the 5/6 series and the gran coupe will get swallowed up and only be offered as a 4 Gran Turismo. That would leave no smaller hatch back options available in the BMW line up except those with ugly rear ends - at which point I may end up in lightly used Macan Turbo territory.
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So the take rate for a manual 3 series is on the decline, could that be, because BMW dealers aren't stocking them and people aren't willing to wait 6 weekish to order one? would the take rate increase if dealers order more manuals??
No, no, and no.

Customers for new 3-Series cars globally have demonstrated a marked preference for automatic transmissions in recent years, and the regulatory environment (emissions and safety standards for example) bolsters the shift, no pun intended, to automatics in 3-Series and other BMW cars.
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Wow - the 340i torque and power specs are quite the jump. Nearly 400 torque and horsepower put it above the S4 and AMG C43 - two cars x35/x40 have typically lagged on paper when it comes to engine specs.
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I say from experience that the 340i is short on paper but on the street is the equal or better of both the S4 and C43. The M340i though will gap that tremendously.
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So the take rate for a manual 3 series is on the decline, could that be, because BMW dealers aren't stocking them and people aren't willing to wait 6 weekish to order one? would the take rate increase if dealers order more manuals?? Porsche doesn't seem to have a problem selling manual cars, so the new Genisis G70 will have its own niche by offering a manual.
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This is what I always wondered as well.
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This is what I always wondered as well.
Itís hard to know for certain. My take is the typical 3 series buyer is not really interested in the car as a true sports sedan. They want the image of a sport sedan. Few people these days even know how to drive a MT.
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Few of the younger generation have ever shot on film either, but it's nevertheless in demand.

I asked Jon Shafer when he was with Santa Barbara BMW how manual transmission cars he sold. He replied it was about 1 in 20, and that's to the enthusiast group who naturally orders their cars anyway. To the broader dealership, it's about 1 in 100. This is for the full product line, not just the 3/4 Series.



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It's hard to know for certain. My take is the typical 3 series buyer is not really interested in the car as a true sports sedan. They want the image of a sport sedan. Few people these days even know how to drive a MT.
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