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Agreed. I'm surprised OP started this thread considering he always the one most heavily moderating these kinds of threads that inevitably turn heated. There is no such thing as a Manual or Automatic 'fun' thread. Maybe we can discuss Planned Parenthood while we're at it?
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Seriously, how many more of these threads do we need? Until they stop making 6MTs I guess... though even after there will be tons of threads lamenting the loss of 6MT. Meh.
This thread is supposed to be a parody of that kind of thread. Let's keep it that way.
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This thread is supposed to be a parody of that kind of thread. Let's keep it that way.
Sounds like a good idea and be aware that I am extremely objective about this subject and am perfectly willing to admit when you're wrong.
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BMW doesn't/won't sell any manual transmission in any ///M car except in the US market. DCT's are better and provide more performance than any manual (regardless of your skill).
The M3 & M4 is available in MT in South Africa, but it's not an easy sell.
When I was looking for an M4, there was an MT one on the system that has been in limbo for weeks. In contrast, I was lucky to get mine (DCT) without having to wait months.

AT is a $1400 option ($1970 if you want the sport transmission with paddles) on the 316i (no paddles for you; normal AT only), 320i/d, 328i & 330d ($560 for the sports AT).
No surprise, the MT is the norm on these models.

MT drivers have all my respect though.
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US-spec 3-series and 5-series(e.g. E46, E39) used to charge $1500 for AT. That started to change in E60(probably same for E90) when steptronic AT became no-cost option(and the cost being embedded in base price). It is doubtful to me that BMW will give up MT anytime soon as their MT worldwide shipment is still non-trivial.
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The M3 & M4 is available in MT in South Africa, but it's not an easy sell.
When I was looking for a M4, there was an MT one on the system that has been in limbo for weeks. In contrast, I was lucky to get mine (DCT) without having to wait months.

AT is an $1400 option ($1970 if you want the sport transmission with paddles) on the 316i, 320i/d and 328i.
No surprise, the MT is the norm on these models.

MT drivers have all my respect though.
I've had my share, but I'm all about the paddles these days.
To each his/her own.
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US-spec 3-series and 5-series(e.g. E46, E39) used to charge $1500 for AT. That started to change in E60(probably same for E90) when steptronic AT became no-cost option(and the cost being embedded in base price). It is doubtful to me that BMW will give up MT anytime soon as their MT worldwide shipment is still non-trivial.
MT will always have a following among people who are convinced they know how to drive one properly.

I personally did not get an MT because I just never could get the hang of it.
Driving an MT is probably the most difficult task I have ever attempted.
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MT will always have a following among people who are convinced they know how to drive one properly.

I personally did not get an MT because I just never could get the hang of it.
Driving an MT is probably the most difficult task I have ever attempted.
Weird really? I'm the opposite. I ate, slept and breathed it for years. Learned on one and had it down by the time I was 17. Got very good at it. Currently I miss it at times and most times I love the AT in this car. Probably 80/20 in favor of the AT currently. I don't even have paddle shifters either.
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In Europe, MT is very common, almost a norm. Last few years AT started gaining momentum though.
I own/prefer MT. Because:
- I learnt to drive using MT
- I can do very fine/precision maneuvers is tight places using the clutch
- in case the car starts going wild towards uncontrolled spin one can attempt to redress it by pressing clutch (now wheels won't have traction to create the twisting momentum) and then brake. ESP is not always enough (if certain boundaries were exceeded it won't do much). I did some simulations under polygon conditions and it really helps this clutch technique.
- I have more control over the car. I anticipate better the conditions (road shape, weather) and can choose accordingly
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I really don't get these "I have more control over the car" posts. In manual mode with the ZF8AT or the DCT the driver has complete control over the gear selected unless something stupid is attempted.
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Weird really? I'm the opposite. I ate, slept and breathed it for years. Learned on one and had it down by the time I was 17. Got very good at it. Currently I miss it at times and most times I love the AT in this car. Probably 80/20 in favor of the AT currently. I don't even have paddle shifters either.
I prefer the 8AT to the DCT.

If I can't figure out how to operate one clutch how the hell am I going to figure out how to operate two?
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I prefer the 8AT to the DCT.

If I can't figure out how to operate one clutch how the hell am I going to figure out how to operate two?
Maybe nordique could teach you how to double clutch with your DCT? Then you'll be a true enthusiast.
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I really don't get these "I have more control over the car" posts. In manual mode with the ZF8AT or the DCT the driver has complete control over the gear selected unless something stupid is attempted.
For example in a scenario where I'm overtaking on a national road. I am in 5'th and behind a slower car. I need to overtake as fast as possible. I'll get in 4'th for a faster sprint. I know each overtake that this is the way to go.
However in same overtaking scenario maybe the AT will decide that 5'th is fine since I the rpm was slightly higher then first case. On a bigger engine is enough torque not to make a big difference.

With the manual I know about what to expect each time.
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For example in a scenario where I'm overtaking on a national road. I am in 5'th and behind a slower car. I need to overtake as fast as possible. I'll get in 4'th for a faster sprint. I know each overtake that this is the way to go.
However in same overtaking scenario maybe the AT will decide that 5'th is fine since I the rpm was slightly higher then first case. On a bigger engine is enough torque not to make a big difference.

With the manual I know about what to expect each time.
In that scenario in a DCT in full auto mode pull the downshift paddle and the car will downshift to 4th. In manual mode you can do the same thing and the car will stay in the selected gear until the driver selects another gear. The 8AT acts the same way.
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Weird really? I'm the opposite. I ate, slept and breathed it for years. Learned on one and had it down by the time I was 17. Got very good at it. Currently I miss it at times and most times I love the AT in this car. Probably 80/20 in favor of the AT currently. I don't even have paddle shifters either.
A few weeks back I went between a DCT (My M4), a traditional planetary gear AT with a locking torque converter (Bentley GT) and an MT M235i and an MT Spec Miata in the space of a few hours.

I enjoyed driving all four cars but honestly did not have a feeling of "Now I'm really driving and in complete control" when I was in the MT cars. The Spec Miata was probably the sportiest, most fun and most tossable but I certainly would not want one as a daily driver.
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I personally did not get an MT because I just never could get the hang of it.
Driving an MT is probably the most difficult task I have ever attempted.
I drove a chevy 3500 v8 6AT today for 8 hours. THAT was a challenge. You have no idea. The cruise control will floor it until you're +5 over your set point. what is that?
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I drove a chevy 3500 v8 6AT today for 8 hours. THAT was a challenge. You have no idea. The cruise control will floor it until you're +5 over your set point. what is that?
All of the cars I have had for the last 30 years (Acura, Lexus, Jaguar, BMW) have had cruise control. If I have driven a total of 75 miles in cruise control that would be a lot. I am not even sure if I know how to turn it on in the M4.
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Maybe nordique could teach you how to double clutch with your DCT? Then you'll be a true enthusiast.




You push the right clutch in
You let the left clutch out
You shift it into neutral and you flail your arms about.
You do the double clutchy and you let both clutches out
And that's when the car spins out.
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All of the cars I have had for the last 30 years (Acura, Lexus, Jaguar, BMW) have had cruise control. If I have driven a total of 75 miles in cruise control that would be a lot. I am not even sure if I know how to turn it on in the M4.
I'm not sure I know how to drive an automatic properly. every time I do i'm always really frustrated with whoever is randomly changing gears right as I approach the top of a hill. can't those Onstar people see I'm almost at the top with the GPS and the satellites they're using to watch me???
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All of the cars I have had for the last 30 years (Acura, Lexus, Jaguar, BMW) have had cruise control. If I have driven a total of 75 miles in cruise control that would be a lot. I am not even sure if I know how to turn it on in the M4.
Cruise control? Is that like those Google cars?

I don't think that is an option with a MT car. We're much too involved for that sort of thing.

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