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Old 08-16-2005, 09:49 AM
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When you have to compete with Corvettes and Vipers in a 3400lbs. car, the M3 engine is BADLY overmatched.
Why would 6s compete with V8s and V10s in the same class?

I know how you feel about the M3 rack.... I could just imagine what you'd be saying about the vette.
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Old 08-16-2005, 09:54 AM
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Why would 6s compete with V8s and V10s in the same class?

I know how you feel about the M3 rack.... I could just imagine what you'd be saying about the vette.
Price, to a large degree.

And I wouldn't have a really good reason to complain about the 'vette's rack. There is NO EXCUSE for putting the **** steering rack in the M3, when EVERY OTHER 3'er gets a good one.
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Old 08-16-2005, 09:59 AM
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Well...... I really like the rack on my ZCP, much better than the standard M3.

My X5 rack feels less boosted and slightly heavier tho.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:02 AM
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Man, if 333 Hp is not enough, maybe you guys should sell your M3s and go out and get a dragster.
If at the rear wheel...then maybe...The M3 is a awesome machine....and has a pretty nice 0-60...but it takes so long to achieve good speed from then on..in which is the i6 vs. v8 comparison...the 6 cyl just does not have the tq to get it to redline fast enough anywhere after 1st gear...

Fact is...despite how much I love this car...the weight is more prevelant than that of it's power...or lack of

...and more so, it'll take on 911's....but that's not much to brag about, when you're in the rear view of a Z06...
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:52 PM
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If at the rear wheel...then maybe...The M3 is a awesome machine....and has a pretty nice 0-60...but it takes so long to achieve good speed from then on..in which is the i6 vs. v8 comparison...the 6 cyl just does not have the tq to get it to redline fast enough anywhere after 1st gear...

Fact is...despite how much I love this car...the weight is more prevelant than that of it's power...or lack of

...and more so, it'll take on 911's....but that's not much to brag about, when you're in the rear view of a Z06...

Enjoy your Vette..... then you'll be bitchin on how it depreciates like a rock...or steering has no feedback

If you are looking to win street races, yes you bought wrong.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:22 PM
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Enjoy your Vette..... then you'll be bitchin on how it depreciates like a rock...or steering has no feedback

If you are looking to win street races, yes you bought wrong.
Don't own one...nor would I buy one...I think they are genuine SH%$..to tell you the truth..I would love to take one to the track and hammer the crap out of it until it died... though...

You don't have to tell me what's wrong with it...I can give a good guess...Hell I own a Chevy..47k miles and it idles like a paint shaker..oversteer is insanely annoying at high speeds..Although my chevy is a truck...it's a characteristic of all GM and Ford to have this rediculous oversteer and always has been..But it's a truck and that's why I bought it..And it does well as such..minus my anal opinion about domestic car makers...

My complaint from the vettes that I have drove, is that I never felt connected to the car, especially after I sat in my e46 m....hense the uncomfort of oversteer and the obicity of the car in general...

But it's fact, a vette will outperform an M3 street or track...in all categories(accel..braking..G rate)

I just wish their was a little more a$$ in the S54...I think 333 on the pavement would have been enough...

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Old 08-16-2005, 02:35 PM
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Don't own one...nor would I buy one...I think they are genuine SH%$..to tell you the truth..I would love to take one to the track and hammer the crap out of it until it died... though...

You don't have to tell me what's wrong with it...I can give a good guess...Hell I own a Chevy..47k miles and it idles like a paint shaker..oversteer is insanely annoying at high speeds..Although my chevy is a truck...it's a characteristic of all GM and Ford to have this rediculous oversteer and always has been..But it's a truck and that's why I bought it..And it does well as such..minus my anal opinion about domestic car makers...

My complaint from the vettes that I have drove, is that I never felt connected to the car, especially after I sat in my e46 m....hense the uncomfort of oversteer and the obicity of the car in general...

But it's fact, a vette will outperform an M3 street or track...in all categories(accel..braking..G rate)

I just wish their was a little more a$$ in the S54...I think 333 on the pavement would have been enough...
hehe..... just go do a couple of "Launch Controls" and give us a post in the morning.....
That is, if ya have SMG....
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:40 PM
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hehe..... just go do a couple of "Launch Controls" and give us a post in the morning.....
That is, if ya have SMG....
Launch control is one of my biggest complaints with SMG. It SUCKS. It's only useful because it's better than grandma and burnout launches. I can launch my 323i better.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:42 PM
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Launch control is one of my biggest complaints with SMG. It SUCKS. It's only useful because it's better than grandma and burnout launches. I can launch my 323i better.
Nick, your door is open....
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:50 PM
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Nick, your door is open....
No, I've invested far too much time and money into getting the M3 to drive halfway decently. You're not getting rid of me now.
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:09 PM
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No, I've invested far too much time and money into getting the M3 to drive halfway decently. You're not getting rid of me now.
I meant on your Sig. pic....hehe
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:11 PM
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I meant on your Sig. pic....hehe
Well, I wouldn't know which one you're seeing.
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:24 PM
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Man, if 333 Hp is not enough, maybe you guys should sell your M3s and go out and get a dragster.
If you are a car freak, you can never have enough horsepower. It's infective.
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Old 08-16-2005, 04:04 PM
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If you are a car freak, you can never have enough horsepower. It's infective.
I'm just trying to break-in my M3 in peace....

At least you live in autobahn land where HP still roams free.
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Old 08-18-2005, 07:06 AM
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Nick cracks me up - because he has the "Emporer has no clothes" atitude. I'm thinking what he's saying.

I tested a C55 last week...and the 376 lb-ft puts a big grin on my face.
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Old 08-18-2005, 07:23 AM
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Nick cracks me up - because he has the "Emporer has no clothes" atitude. I'm thinking what he's saying.

I tested a C55 last week...and the 376 lb-ft puts a big grin on my face.

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Old 08-18-2005, 07:40 AM
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Next year's car: E46 M3 (or I might wait for the new M3 to come out and then buy an E46 M3 when the price drops.

Problem: 333 HP isn't enough?

Answer: Dinan S3 supercharger package. For only $22,000 you can have 450+ HP from your M3's inline 6.

Will I really do it? Doubtful, but at least I know the potential, the expensive potential is there for over-the-top HP out of the E46 M3.
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Old 08-18-2005, 11:01 AM
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Current car: 325i--Nobody with an M3 should be complaining about HP

Next year's car: E46 M3 (or I might wait for the new M3 to come out and then buy an E46 M3 when the price drops.

Problem: 333 HP isn't enough?

Answer: Dinan S3 supercharger package. For only $22,000 you can have 450+ HP from your M3's inline 6.

Will I really do it? Doubtful, but at least I know the potential, the expensive potential is there for over-the-top HP out of the E46 M3.
What's your point? So I would have to scrounge up another 22k to get 450hp..Not saying much when you compare overall price of the Z06 vs a warranty voiding modded M3, especially when it doesn't even exceed the vettes 500'ish hp...Not to mention the $100k'ish S/C'd vette in the pipeline...

I'd probably never buy a vette...and I love the M3 for what it is..but in it's class, it sure is lagging behind...
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Old 08-18-2005, 11:13 AM
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Sinking $22K in an M3 is downright ridiculous.
I love M3's (heck, I have two...) but I would never put that much money into one.

There are better and faster cars out there that you can buy new.
And if you can drop an extra $22K into a car, then the "I need the extra two seats" argument is not going to fly...
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:18 AM
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As for Ferrari using V-8s, according to some, those are not REAL Ferraris. The Dino, which used a V-6, never came with Ferrari badges. Real Ferraris have 12 cylinders.
BS. The "Best Ferrari EVER" is the F40 and it has a V8. Total posers car but people like it. Real Ferraris are loud and break a lot those are the only requirements.

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Infectious.
Sorry for the shameful OT

Plaz, I have checked the dictionary, both are listed as adjectives, but I'll trust you on this one
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BS. The "Best Ferrari EVER" is the F40 and it has a V8. Total posers car but people like it. Real Ferraris are loud and break a lot those are the only requirements.

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And 2 turbos

But I agree with Pinecone, real Ferraris have V12s. The V6 and V8 era started with the Dino and the rest of the group (208/308,348,355 and so on)

The statement that Ferraris are loud and break a lot is so true. The most adventureous part is to find an old school mechanic, who really knows how to adjust the valves on those V12s. AFAIK, there are only 3 or 4 people in Germany.
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And 2 turbos

But I agree with Pinecone, real Ferraris have V12s. The V6 and V8 era started with the Dino and the rest of the group (208/308,348,355 and so on)

The statement that Ferraris are loud and break a lot is so true. The most adventureous part is to find an old school mechanic, who really knows how to adjust the valves on those V12s. AFAIK, there are only 3 or 4 people in Germany.
What about flat 12's? The flat 12 in the 70's was one of the nicest sounding engines in F1. We used to try to go through the garage at Watkins Glen just to hear them start a new engine and run it in. It was sweet. The V10's sound good, but it's nice to have different sounds.
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