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Old 08-19-2019, 05:54 PM
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Tire selection Non-RFT Continental

I've decided to replace my non-rft (2 rear ones are already bad so decided replace all 4 since the other 2 is 5.5/32). I searched the forum and could not find the answer that I was looking for.

I have a good deal on CONTINENTAL CONTROL CONTACT TOUR A/S PLUS 225 /55 R17 97H SL BSW ($420 for all + plus installation). Does anybody have any experiences on these tires? I usually drive in town and rarely on highway so I don't need a performance tire

Car is a 2013 528XI

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Old 08-19-2019, 06:24 PM
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If this tire is sold by Tirerack, you might read the various customer reviews on its website. The Continental DWS tire, for example, gets a very high rating from reviewers.
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Old 08-20-2019, 02:19 PM
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I was also looking to replace the run-flats with conventional tires; mixture of city and highway driving. I wasn't opposed to something economical, but staying clear of the unknown generic Asian offerings. I happened upon these and found them to be manufactured in Turkey by Kolsan, whose pedigree includes manufacturing tires for Pirelli, and compounds for Pirelli and Goodyear. They are EU approved (E4). The only thing dubious was the ridiculously low price. After about 8K miles, couldn't be more satisfied. No affiliation, YMMV -- https://www.walmart.com/ip/Waterfall...Tire/505376878
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:00 PM
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I was also looking to replace the run-flats with conventional tires; mixture of city and highway driving. I wasn't opposed to something economical, but staying clear of the unknown generic Asian offerings. I happened upon these and found them to be manufactured in Turkey by Kolsan, whose pedigree includes manufacturing tires for Pirelli, and compounds for Pirelli and Goodyear. They are EU approved (E4). The only thing dubious was the ridiculously low price. After about 8K miles, couldn't be more satisfied. No affiliation, YMMV -- https://www.walmart.com/ip/Waterfall...Tire/505376878
These are not the right size for our car, base model needs a 225

I went ahead and bought a set of Solar 4xs tires from Walmart. They're very cheap, $256 for 4. But they have overwhelmingly positive reviews. They are basically a store brand made by sumitumo one of the largest tire makers in the world. They own Dunlop and falken. Will report back on my purchase but I think it will go well

Otherwise Sam's club has a deal on Goodyear LS2 if you want an oem tire. I think 80 off a set of 4

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Old 08-20-2019, 03:03 PM
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If this tire is sold by Tirerack, you might read the various customer reviews on its website. The Continental DWS tire, for example, gets a very high rating from reviewers.
And the dws was one of the worst tires I ever had. Super noisy on my Cayenne.
Reviews help make your decision but I don't think it makes or breaks the choice. I would look at actual tire ratings (treadwear, load range, speed rating, etc) and tread patterns. Aggressive treads have horrible ride quality. Find a bland looking all season and you should be ok. Stay away from directional tires. And also rotate if you want to extend the life
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Old 08-20-2019, 03:39 PM
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These are not the right size for our car, base model needs a 225

I went ahead and bought a set of Solar 4xs tires from Walmart. They're very cheap, $256 for 4. But they have overwhelmingly positive reviews. They are basically a store brand made by sumitumo one of the largest tire makers in the world. They own Dunlop and falken. Will report back on my purchase but I think it will go well

Otherwise Sam's club has a deal on Goodyear LS2 if you want an oem tire. I think 80 off a set of 4
You are correct about the size. I clicked on the link to the wrong size (I put the correct size on my car).
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Old 08-21-2019, 04:04 AM
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I would not mix tires in a any AWD. In an all-wheel-drive system, the central computer ensures that each wheel gets the right amount of torque. It reduces slippage and maximizes the wheel control. If any of the tires have less tread amount or smaller circumference than the others, the computer will take incorrect readings and send wrong information to other components. Driving with mismatched tires for a long time can burn out the drivetrain.

With tires, you get what you pay for. I just replaced 245/45R-18 Yokohama ADVAN Sport A/S XL with 245/45R-18 Continental PureContact LS XL.

awesome, quiet ride, but I did lose 1 mpg with the continentals. I buy based on the warranty and always look for a high mileage tire. the higher the mileage warranty, the more durable the tire. I live on a stone road in NE PA. My neighbor constantly gets flat tires because they go to walmart to buy the cheapest tires they can find. Thin rubber means increased flat tires.

an AWD vehicle needs balanced traction at all four corners. ... You should not drive with mismatched tires because the worn out tires rotate faster than the good ones, which may cause serious mechanical damage AWD, nor should you put new tires with old tires. it's a quick way to destroy your AWD.
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:36 PM
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I am torn between Michlin AS3+ or DWS06 - Change requirement coming up in a couple of months...

Recently heard about Firehawk Indy 500 - any users here?

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Old 08-21-2019, 04:06 PM
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I am torn between Michlin AS3+ or DWS06 - Change requirement coming up in a couple of months...

Recently heard about Firehawk Indy 500 - any users here?
Love my Michelin AS3+ with over 12k miles on them. I also drive around the DMV area and the performance helps in all the turns, circles, and elevation changes. With X-drive, they work very well in the snow due to the compound and the wide blocks. I don't have longer-term feedback, unfortunately. The ride is better than the RFTs that were on and I have a spare in the trunk.

I have a friend who put DWS on his 550ix and my AS3+ are more precise...and thats a good thing since more precision helps the F10 suspension for occasion sporty drives, but even better in the DMV area since there is rarely a straight line road.

Wish I had more to report, but when it works, it just works.
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:03 PM
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I am leaning toward BfGoodrich Advantage T/A sport tires. It is $435 out the door after lifetime balance & rotation at Sam's club (after $140 instant saving which expires in 3 days). Another option is Goodyear Assurance MaxLife tires which are highly rated ($540 out the door after instants savings).

Again, I only drive 5k-6k miles a year and 90% in town so I can't convince myself to buy super expensive tires at this point.
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Old 08-21-2019, 07:45 PM
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I am leaning toward BfGoodrich Advantage T/A sport tires. It is $435 out the door after lifetime balance & rotation at Sam's club (after $140 instant saving which expires in 3 days). Another option is Goodyear Assurance MaxLife tires which are highly rated ($540 out the door after instants savings).

Again, I only drive 5k-6k miles a year and 90% in town so I can't convince myself to buy super expensive tires at this point.
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:23 AM
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Got the solar 4xs tires at my door in less than two days after ordering. Super fast processing and shipping
They are indeed made by sumitumo. Tread pattern looks pretty good
I'll post back about how they ride but hoping they hold true to the ratings
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:28 AM
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I have matching wheels on all four corners so I just picked up a set of Barum Bravuris 3HM tires to replace my Bridgestone DriveGuards that I had put on about 2 years ago. I had at least two tire replacements on the runflats. The sidewalls seem to get uneven stress between the "sections" due to the way they're manufactured. I had one complete hole blow out the side from hitting a pothole. Another time a bubble developed on another tire sidewall.

After trading in what was left of the tires and with my $50 rebate, I ended up spending less than $300 to replace all four tires at Discount Tires.



Barum is located in Slovakia and is a popular tire in Europe. They were acquired by Continental in 1992/1993.

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Old 08-22-2019, 05:44 PM
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If it's any comfort, Continental also owns General Tire and Gislavad in Sweden. Winter tires from the latter are now sold as Generals in the US. My experience with Continental tires under one name or another has be positive and over the years have installed them on my BMWs, Porsche, Genesis and 350z.
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Old 08-22-2019, 06:50 PM
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I am leaning toward BfGoodrich Advantage T/A sport tires. It is $435 out the door after lifetime balance & rotation at Sam's club (after $140 instant saving which expires in 3 days). Another option is Goodyear Assurance MaxLife tires which are highly rated ($540 out the door after instants savings).

Again, I only drive 5k-6k miles a year and 90% in town so I can't convince myself to buy super expensive tires at this point.
Just an FYI, I looked at the tirerack test for the bfg advantage sport you listed and it was the noisiest tire of the group tested
Other than that it seems like a well rated tire

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Old 08-22-2019, 11:02 PM
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Wish I could add to the discussion but I have no input, only Michelin goes on my Car, no issues, ever... Top performance, wear, noise, handling, just costs a few $'s more but we'll worth it.

I guess if I was in USA and just drive straight line stoplight to stoplight it really would not matter though so understand the difference.
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I guess if I was in USA and just drive straight line stoplight to stoplight it really would not matter though so understand the difference.
Who buys this car to drive it just that way?
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Mark have you any concept of the distances driven here in North America and the variety of weather conditions and terrain encountered? For example, driving from California's southern border (with Mexico) to neighboring Oregon is the Europeans equivalent of traveling from Calais to Vienna. Of course, one can argue that the speed limits in Germany are unlimited, but that not the case on all autobahns. Here in the US, one can drive the width of Montana measuring 1000 km at 90 mph (150 km/h) without a traffic ticket. No single country in Europe (save Russia and it's terrible roads) matches this. Therefore to imagine that American never engages in high-speed, long-distance driving (in a BMW or any other car) is a grave misunderstanding of the US. Believe it or not, Michelin tires are also sold in the US, but they are not necessarily everyone's choice for many reasons.
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Mark have you any concept of the distances driven here in North America and the variety of weather conditions and terrain encountered? For example, driving from California's southern border (with Mexico) to neighboring Oregon is the Europeans equivalent of traveling from Calais to Vienna. Of course, one can argue that the speed limits in Germany are unlimited, but that not the case on all autobahns. Here in the US, one can drive the width of Montana measuring 1000 km at 90 mph (150 km/h) without a traffic ticket. No single country in Europe (save Russia and it's terrible roads) matches this. Therefore to imagine that American never engages in high-speed, long-distance driving (in a BMW or any other car) is a grave misunderstanding of the US. Believe it or not, Michelin tires are also sold in the US, but they are not necessarily everyone's choice for many reasons.
And Texas has 2 time zones! We'll be taking a road trip later this year and will cover around 3500 miles. Last year we did 5600.
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Thanks, I get all that, let me re-phrase, for those who typically drive stoplight to stoplight typically have less concerns around Tires.

Yes, there are some nice roads in US, late Sept early Oct PHX-Reno and back... will rent something nice for the trip but will be a rental with cheap tires ;-(

I also do know a few curvy roads around LA, I lived in Downey in the early 70’s, we met weekends at the Griffith Park Observatory then Mulholland Drive over to Santa Monica, best Café Racer Times on my Norton Commando...
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Thanks, I get all that, let me re-phrase, for those who typically drive stoplight to stoplight typically have less concerns around Tires.

Yes, there are some nice roads in US, late Sept early Oct PHX-Reno and back... will rent something nice for the trip but will be a rental with cheap tires ;-(

I also do know a few curvy roads around LA, I lived in Downey in the early 70's, we met weekends at the Griffith Park Observatory then Mulholland Drive over to Santa Monica, best Café Racer Times on my Norton Commando...
Bring a tire pressure gauge for the rental car. US cars have TPMS, but that doesn't mean the rental car companies will check and maintain tire pressures. I used to rent a lot of cars in for business travel in my younger days, I never got one with sufficient tire pressure.

The Budget franchise in Marina Del Ray, near but not at LAX, used to have ANYTHING for rent: Miatas, Mustangs, Porsches, RR's, etc., etc. But, they were expensive and all the cool cars had mileage charges. I think Hertz has "elite" cars, too.

The Mustang LX 5.0 I got from Budget Marine Del Ray might have had sufficient tire pressure. I had a government contracted compact car reserved, a Mitsubishi Mirage, which at the time was sort of a knock off of a Honda Civic but with motorized seat belts instead of air bags. I kept waiting and waiting for my car to be brought around to the customer waiting area. Finally, the rental guy apologized, saying somebody accidently rented the Mirage to somebody else. A car carrier was unloading a bunch of new cars, including the Mustang 5.0 LX. Pointing to the LX, he said "Would you mind taking that instead?"


"Well... o.k." The car had less than ten miles on it. I promised the rental guy that I'd properly break it in for them.

Mustangs of that era were horribly nose heavy, especially the coupe's (instead of the hatchbacks). Throw in that the car was brand new and the molding lubricant hadn't burned off the tires yet, and I almost kill myself with that car. I wasn't playing around, either. I took an off ramp that had a 90 degree turn in it, and at slightly more than normal speed the back end came out about 45 degrees.

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Old 08-24-2019, 06:01 AM
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Got the solar 4xs mounted and I have to say they're great tires. Around town under 45mph there is a slight tread noise, but most tires have that including my old pirelli p7 and Bridgestone potenzas.
They grip well and are smooooooooth!
On the highway my old pirellis used to shake from about 65-75mph. Slight vibrations coming into the car, despite numerous balancing attempts. These tires are like riding on glass. I'm so surprised the tires were at fault, I thought it was bent rims. I'm a bit disappointed that my local Walmart did not match the yellow dot on the tires to the valve stem which is recommended but damn the car rides smooth

Overall I have to say I've learned that cheap tires aren't bad and in some regards better than other brands. Reviews are important but can get very subjective quickly. Also driving conditions matter too. If your roads are mostly concrete or asphalt, that can change the Dynamics of the tire. Survey multiple sites, look up some videos.
If you can try being in a car that has the tires you're looking at. Otherwise consider a tire that has a money back guarantee trial period.

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Did you ever wonder why cheap tires are cheap? These are considered high end cars geared toward performance. Do you use the cheapest oil? Just sayin...and I feel I paid a bit of a premium for my car for a reason. Cheaping out isn't for me.
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Got the solar 4xs mounted and I have to say they're great tires. Around town under 45mph there is a slight tread noise, but most tires have that including my old pirelli p7 and Bridgestone potenzas.
They grip well and are smooooooooth!
On the highway my old pirellis used to shake from about 65-75mph. Slight vibrations coming into the car, despite numerous balancing attempts. These tires are like riding on glass. I'm so surprised the tires were at fault, I thought it was bent rims. I'm a bit disappointed that my local Walmart did not match the yellow dot on the tires to the valve stem which is recommended but damn the car rides smooth

Overall I have to say I've learned that cheap tires aren't bad and in some regards better than other brands. Reviews are important but can get very subjective quickly. Also driving conditions matter too. If your roads are mostly concrete or asphalt, that can change the Dynamics of the tire. Survey multiple sites, look up some videos.
If you can try being in a car that has the tires you're looking at. Otherwise consider a tire that has a money back guarantee trial period.
Just wait...and give another review several thousand miles later. All tires have that newness to them because of new and thicker treads compared to old tires. It's how it performs between 1k miles to 25k miles that separates the good ones from the rest. Also, see how they perform in the rain.
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Old 08-25-2019, 04:54 AM
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Just replaced Pirelli P Zero's with the Continental DSW......very impressed so far. Only have about 2000k on them but run quiet, great grip, great ride.

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