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Old 03-31-2020, 12:37 PM
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Did I just ruin my car with ISTA+?

Hey everyone,

I'm completely panic stricken at the moment
I hooked up ISTA+ to my E92 335i -11 (with BimmerGeeks cable) to clear the "brake fluid" service notification. It popped up last time I used the car and I just replaced all my brake lines so I pumped through a ton of fluid then (the old fashioned way).

After I ran the ident and vehicle test in ISTA several modules suddenly showed up in red.
When I exited ISTA to start the car, the dash displayed the red service icon (car on lift).
The iDrive complains about start assistance inactive and ligthning system.
Power windows don't work anymore, and i can't even lock the car

Codes in ISTA
S0085 No Communication possible with: dynamic stability control
S0158 No communication possible with control unit possible
00A3B4 Message error (lightning state, 0x21A). Receiver instrument panel, transmitter footwell module.
00A3C1 Message error (footwell module, 0x4F0) receiver intrument panel, transmitter footwell module.
00CD95 No message (lamp condition, 0x21A) DME receiver, FRM transmitter
00CDA4 No message (reverse gear status, 0x3B0). receiver DME, transmitter FRM

And to add some background to this...

It is the first time I tried to connect ISTA+ to the car.
But I did read BMW ISTA manual so I felt comfortable doing this small operation (ehm...big mistake!?).

I had issues at first with connection.
Firstly I had the cable on the wrong mode (the K-line switch on the BimmerGeeks cable).
After I sorted that out I got communication disturbed issues trying to run the vehicle test.
So I ran the D-Can tool to test the cable, adjusted the latency of the com port and all was well. At this point after the vehicle test I noticed all the unresponsive modules.

The car lookes and behaves like new, I didn't have a single issue before i plugged in ISTA to it..

What can I do?
Help greatly appreciated!


EDIT
I just saw this video on youtube showing all the symptoms my car has. In this case it was a faulty footwell module (FRM).
I may have the same issue, in hindsight now when I think about it. I did run the D-Can test tool and forgot to disconnect the the cable from the OBD port.
Could this have killed my FRM module?


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Old 03-31-2020, 02:46 PM
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None of the things you described should have caused a problem. Unless you did something unusual, like bend a pin on the port, I can't see a problem being caused by the test equipment.

ISTA is painless, usually. People here have used it hundreds of times without problems.

Check fuses for starters -- the sudden failure sounds like a possibility.

Or, you can plug ISTA in, and if you get to the control unit screen with the failures, use ISTA to diagnose it.
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Old 03-31-2020, 05:28 PM
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How's that battery?
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Old 04-01-2020, 02:23 AM
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None of the things you described should have caused a problem. Unless you did something unusual, like bend a pin on the port, I can't see a problem being caused by the test equipment.

ISTA is painless, usually. People here have used it hundreds of times without problems.

Check fuses for starters -- the sudden failure sounds like a possibility.

Or, you can plug ISTA in, and if you get to the control unit screen with the failures, use ISTA to diagnose it.
No issue with the port.
Right, I will check the fuse for sure!
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Old 04-01-2020, 02:25 AM
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How's that battery?
The barrery should be OK, it has been on trickle charge over the winter on my CTEK charger.
But I'll have to confirm by measuring it.
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Old 04-01-2020, 02:31 AM
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There is a Service Information Bulletin from BMW extending the warranty of the FRM.
https://bimmerscan.com/wp-content/up.../B012016-1.pdf

In it it says...

Quote:
Situation
When performing ISTA/D diagnosis and/or a programming procedure (software update) on an affected vehicle, the Footwell Module (FRM) could fail (See Situation One and Two
below).

The Footwell Module (FRM) could also fail by itself (Primary failure - causual part), prior to performing ISTA/D diagnosis and/or a programming procedure (See Situation Three
below).

Cause
There is either a compatibility issue with certain combinations of vehicle software (Plant
Integration I-Level) and the Footwell Module hardware installed in the vehicle or the
module itself has failed.
So essentially...the FRM could fail just by running a diagnostic?
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Old 04-01-2020, 05:35 AM
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You need a FRM.

If not covered under the special warranty, have it recovered.

The extended FRM warranty does not apply to all vehicles, get the dealer or BMW NA to check your VIN.

And yes depending on the FRM fitted and ISTA version, using the program and low voltage will brick the FRM.

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Old 04-02-2020, 12:37 AM
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You need a FRM.

If not covered under the special warranty, have it recovered.

The extended FRM warranty does not apply to all vehicles, get the dealer or BMW NA to check your VIN.

And yes depending on the FRM fitted and ISTA version, using the program and low voltage will brick the FRM.

Mark.
The dealer is looking into it.
But after I have my FRM replaced, will I ever be able to scan the car again without risking to brick the FRM? I can ofc make sure that the charger is connected before I do it. But if it is a case of ISTA version X and X will brick the FRM, is there some kind of list of known incompatible versions circulating the interwebs?
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Old 04-02-2020, 01:30 AM
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Usually the FRM's only fail during coding but this a known
problem .(or updating which is programming)
diagnostics are not known to make anything fail.
Ista P is the program used for updating.(at least on e90's)

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Old 04-02-2020, 07:34 AM
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Usually the FRM's only fail during coding but this a known
problem .(or updating which is programming)
diagnostics are not known to make anything fail.
Ista P is the program used for updating.(at least on e90's)
Yeah I was aware of that much at least
I have no plans for coding anything myself.
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Old 04-02-2020, 08:02 AM
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Usually the FRM's only fail during coding but this a known
problem .(or updating which is programming)
diagnostics are not known to make anything fail.
Ista P is the program used for updating.(at least on e90's)
It can fail either way, I deal with this all the time.

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Old 04-02-2020, 08:04 AM
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The dealer is looking into it.
But after I have my FRM replaced, will I ever be able to scan the car again without risking to brick the FRM? I can ofc make sure that the charger is connected before I do it. But if it is a case of ISTA version X and X will brick the FRM, is there some kind of list of known incompatible versions circulating the interwebs?
Once the new module is fitted you wont have this problem again.

And yes there are a few unstable ISTA programs floating about.

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