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Old 08-14-2011, 09:27 PM
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Hi Guys,

I purchased a 335i xdrive recently and am planning to enjoy it thoroughly. To that effect, I am debating which Radar Detector would best serve me. I've been doing my research online for the past week and have found many biased reviews on radar detectors. I understand I may start a religious war here butů. Looks like its down to 2 options based on online reviews:

1. Valentine1 (V1)
2. Passport Escort 9500i

Valentine1: Reviews have it as an oversensitive and quirky apparatus that proves to be very effective. It's bulky, not sexy, cannot easily mute and cannot be concealed unless you purchase the "concealer" adaptor. On the positive side, it clearly indicates where threats are coming from and has rear radar detection. Its physical design would only be considered high tech in "Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979.)"

Passport 9500i: Fewer false alarms, sleeker and almost as effective as V1. More functions are available. It's futuristic design leaps forward a few years to "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (1982.)" Several users seem to prefer this radar detector.

IMO, both these detector stand out like dinosaurs in a higher-tech area BUT it's the best the market has to offer at this time, so...

Can I please have your opinions on which is better and has served you best in the past? Need other bimmerfest opinions to help me reach an informed decision. Budget: $500. Both detectors can be purchased for less than this amount. Being able to hide the detector is an important factor for me as the state of Virginia hates its drivers and especially those with radar detectors. I have found that the fine for having a radar detector in VA is considerably less than getting a speeding ticket + higher insurance costs (especially in Fairfax County!)

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I have both! They both are really nice but I prefer the escort 9500i. Easy to use , easy to mute , and it talks to u and tells you which band you getting. And also better display. After I tried both of them I made my choice and the V1 I gave to my close friend as the present.
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i think it depends more on your driving habits. if you drive in the city a lot you are going to get a lot of falses on the V1 where on the Escort you can lock them out so it will be more quiet around town. if you do more highway driving i think the V1 may have a small advantage. since you drive in virgina, i would recommend the escort redline (there is also a similar BEL model, the STi driver i believe). it is completely undetectable by radar detector detectors (RDD's). just make sure you read how to set it up since it sometimes struggles with instant on radar.

i have had the 9500 before and loved it and have the redline now and so far it is ok (only had it for a couple of weeks). i also have Laser Interceptors installed to protect from the dreaded LIDAR (laser) which no detector will protect you from other than to let you know to go ahead and pull over. you cant go wrong either way, but you are going to want to get the hardwire kit and have it installed so you can mount it without the coiled cord hanging down for cops to see. you might want to check out the link below for more reading.

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:02 AM
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I've tried them all (from Bel to Escort). At the end of the day, once I got my V1 I never looked back. The damn arrows!!!! once you get used to them, there's no living without them.

To this day I can't understand why the other brands don't implement arrows. It would really level the playing field.
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:20 AM
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I've tried them all (from Bel to Escort). At the end of the day, once I got my V1 I never looked back. The damn arrows!!!! once you get used to them, there's no living without them.

To this day I can't understand why the other brands don't implement arrows. It would really level the playing field.
pretty sure Valentine has a patent on the arrows.
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:29 AM
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SpeedRacer, since you are driving in VA a lot, take a look at the radar detectors that are invisible to the current flock of radar detector, detectors - quite the mouthful. The choices for that are :

Escort Redline and
Beltronics STI

Escort owns Beltronics as an FYI.

This forum might help even more:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/
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Old 08-15-2011, 10:46 AM
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Old 08-15-2011, 12:00 PM
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If you want to conceil the Valentine, you should review this thread:

http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showt...radar+detector

The rear view mirror is modified so that it becomes the display and the box is hidden in the center headrest in the back. So nothing shows.

It is way above your budget but the Passport 9500ci is also pretty hard to detect. Everything hides away escept the display and a few buttons. I think there is a 8500 series that is meant for integration with the vehicle and is more reasonably priced.

Also you might want to consider the Passport iQ. It is a GPS and radar (and laser) detector that looks like a GPS. 5 inch touch screen. It is a little over your price range, about $650 from Amazon, but seems like an interesting alternative. The reviews comment it is pretty heavy and works better if you would want to mount it touching the dash. It is a passport 9500ix as a radar detector.

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Old 08-17-2011, 11:28 AM
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Thanks for the great advise guys; all this info is tremendously helpful. The Redline is looking better every day; especially with your feedback. As you know the state of VA hates drivers and residents more than it hates its criminals; need to make sure i don't get harassed by law enforcement (as sad as that sounds.) I've been pulled over for "DWB" (Driving While Brown) many times.

Officer: "Do you know why i pulled you over?"
Me: "Umm... Because you liked my car?"
Officer (not happy with the remark): "License and registration Sir."
Me: "ok."

20 minutes pass by. I make calls, play on my phone, doodle...

Officer: "You are clear to go Sir. Drive safe."
Me: "Thank you Officer... but, why was i pulled over?"
Officer: "Have a good say Sir" - and he walks away.

It's happened 4 times this year. Driving the speed limit, no loud music, sunroof open, minding my own business, eyes on road, both hands on steering wheel. It has to be because I'm latin and have a dark tan. I can't think of anything else. It's only the white older officers that pull me over. I only get pulled over during the summer season. I hope its just my paranoia and nothing else...

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Old 08-17-2011, 03:38 PM
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Thanks for the great advise guys; all this info is tremendously helpful. The Redline is looking better every day; especially with your feedback. As you know the state of VA hates drivers and residents more than it hates its criminals; need to make sure i don't get harassed by law enforcement (as sad as that sounds.) I've been pulled over for "DWB" (Driving While Brown) many times.

Officer: "Do you know why i pulled you over?"
Me: "Umm... Because you liked my car?"
Officer (not happy with the remark): "License and registration Sir."
Me: "ok."

20 minutes pass by. I make calls, play on my phone, doodle...

Officer: "You are clear to go Sir. Drive safe."
Me: "Thank you Officer... but, why was i pulled over?"
Officer: "Have a good say Sir" - and he walks away.

It's happened 4 times this year. Driving the speed limit, no loud music, sunroof open, minding my own business, eyes on road, both hands on steering wheel. It has to be because I'm latin and have a dark tan. I can't think of anything else. It's only the white older officers that pull me over. I only get pulled over during the summer season. I hope its just my paranoia and nothing else...
Damn man, if you're having DWB problems, you better make sure you hide that radar detector while in VA!
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Because I live in VA, I have owned a Bel STi-Stealth for the last three years or so. My STi has never been detected by the state patrol, even when they drive right along side me and I can SEE their Specter IV RDD's in operation.

I have it mounted up high on the windscreen just to the left of the mirror. I this way it cannot be seen from outside the car (except from the front) unless you are lower than the driver, and in my MC you would have to be almost on the ground. I also have it on a separate power button so I can turn it off if needed.
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Because I live in VA, I have owned a Bel STi-Stealth for the last three years or so. My STi has never been detected by the state patrol, even when they drive right along side me and I can SEE their Specter IV RDD's in operation.

I have it mounted up high on the windscreen just to the left of the mirror. I this way it cannot be seen from outside the car (except from the front) unless you are lower than the driver, and in my MC you would have to be almost on the ground. I also have it on a separate power button so I can turn it off if needed.
FANTASTIC info thanks for sharing! Very smart idea. All credit goes to you.
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SpeedRacer, since you are driving in VA a lot, take a look at the radar detectors that are invisible to the current flock of radar detector, detectors - quite the mouthful. The choices for that are :

Escort Redline and
Beltronics STI

Escort owns Beltronics as an FYI.

This forum might help even more:

http://www.radardetector.net/forums/
Good advise.

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Old 08-27-2011, 03:40 AM
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I'm a bit late to this thread, but let me say this: the Escort 9500i/9500ix is the far superior detector compared to the V1. The V1 is based on REALLY old detector technology, even with their "upgrades". It offers INSANE sensitivity to X and K band, but that means that it false alarms ALL THE DAMN TIME. (Motion sensing doors are K or X band.) Check out this comprehensive review of 9500i vs. V1. The V1 wins in X-band range, which nothing uses anymore.

State troopers in most states are rolling Stalker II Duals that operate solely in the Ka band. Ka band performance is INCREDIBLY important then, for a lot of states.

Old Kustom Signals HR-12s and the like do use K band, so you can't just turn it off. In Arizona (where I drive), DPS (highway patrol) uses Stalker II Duals while the Sheriff dept. uses Kustom Signals. This is where the 9500ix kicks ass: it has a GPS sensor so that you can "lockout" certain alerts. Basically, if a K-band alert of a specific frequency happens over and over at the same spot, or you're driving in front of a CVS and you know it's the door, you can lock it out. (The unit will lock it out automatically after three passes.) Then it shuts up. You can drive around and instead of getting immune to alerts, you can jump to them like a jackrabbit whenever something triggers since it's likely an issue.

The arrows are helpful only to the extent that they're always flashing sideways, motion sensing doors. The range on the V1 isn't any better than the 9500ix and it can't screen out anything based on GPS.

Oh, and if you live in a state with redlight or speed cameras, the 9500ix has a built in database that alerts you as you approach them. It's awesome.

I actually have a built-in detector with full front laser jammers installed onto my 335i. The built-in:
1) Can't be stolen. (Well, not easily.) It required taking off the front bumper to install.
2) Isn't noticeable at all. My install has the display pod right in front of my gauge cluster and the control pod down right above my shifter.
3) Is insanely expensive. Seriously, about $1,200-$1,600+ installed.
4) Is INSANELY accurate and sensitive. The antenna lives behind my front (plastic) plate, so I get a jump on ANY detector EVER.

The STi-R also lets you screen out sections of the Ka band that aren't used by police radar: these segments of spectrum can SOMEtimes false alarm because of ****ty Cobra and Whistler radar detectors. (Yes, other people's detectors can set off your detector.) A good supplier will program the proper segments for you based on what's used in your state and what's NEVER used because no guns live there at all.

Driving back from California when I first got the car, I got two tickets an hour apart, for going barely 10-15 over the 70. On my way back this time, with the STi-R installed, it alerted me to THREE speed traps. Stood on the brakes, brought it under 70 (or 75 once I hit AZ) and cruised right past the waiting cops. Seriously, this thing is amazing.

The 9500ix is the spiritual sibling of the STi-R, and is only around $500. It's NOT built-in, so it's a huge theft risk (as would be a V1, etc.) and you always have a cigarette cord hanging down.

See my pictures to see the installed unit. (What little of it you can see.) The guy who runs radartest.com installed it, hence why he uses the image of my car on his site's review of the detector.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:52 AM
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I'm brown too bro, from india and the VA cops get jealous of us in our bmws. Little do they know that a 3 series is like a corolla to brown ppl especially if you're from NY/NJ/MA/CT/CA
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I'm a bit late to this thread, but let me say this: the Escort 9500i/9500ix is the far superior detector compared to the V1. The V1 is based on REALLY old detector technology, even with their "upgrades". It offers INSANE sensitivity to X and K band, but that means that it false alarms ALL THE DAMN TIME. (Motion sensing doors are K or X band.) Check out this comprehensive review of 9500i vs. V1. The V1 wins in X-band range, which nothing uses anymore.

State troopers in most states are rolling Stalker II Duals that operate solely in the Ka band. Ka band performance is INCREDIBLY important then, for a lot of states.

Old Kustom Signals HR-12s and the like do use K band, so you can't just turn it off. In Arizona (where I drive), DPS (highway patrol) uses Stalker II Duals while the Sheriff dept. uses Kustom Signals. This is where the 9500ix kicks ass: it has a GPS sensor so that you can "lockout" certain alerts. Basically, if a K-band alert of a specific frequency happens over and over at the same spot, or you're driving in front of a CVS and you know it's the door, you can lock it out. (The unit will lock it out automatically after three passes.) Then it shuts up. You can drive around and instead of getting immune to alerts, you can jump to them like a jackrabbit whenever something triggers since it's likely an issue.

The arrows are helpful only to the extent that they're always flashing sideways, motion sensing doors. The range on the V1 isn't any better than the 9500ix and it can't screen out anything based on GPS.

Oh, and if you live in a state with redlight or speed cameras, the 9500ix has a built in database that alerts you as you approach them. It's awesome.

I actually have a built-in detector with full front laser jammers installed onto my 335i. The built-in:
1) Can't be stolen. (Well, not easily.) It required taking off the front bumper to install.
2) Isn't noticeable at all. My install has the display pod right in front of my gauge cluster and the control pod down right above my shifter.
3) Is insanely expensive. Seriously, about $1,200-$1,600+ installed.
4) Is INSANELY accurate and sensitive. The antenna lives behind my front (plastic) plate, so I get a jump on ANY detector EVER.

The STi-R also lets you screen out sections of the Ka band that aren't used by police radar: these segments of spectrum can SOMEtimes false alarm because of ****ty Cobra and Whistler radar detectors. (Yes, other people's detectors can set off your detector.) A good supplier will program the proper segments for you based on what's used in your state and what's NEVER used because no guns live there at all.

Driving back from California when I first got the car, I got two tickets an hour apart, for going barely 10-15 over the 70. On my way back this time, with the STi-R installed, it alerted me to THREE speed traps. Stood on the brakes, brought it under 70 (or 75 once I hit AZ) and cruised right past the waiting cops. Seriously, this thing is amazing.

The 9500ix is the spiritual sibling of the STi-R, and is only around $500. It's NOT built-in, so it's a huge theft risk (as would be a V1, etc.) and you always have a cigarette cord hanging down.

See my pictures to see the installed unit. (What little of it you can see.) The guy who runs radartest.com installed it, hence why he uses the image of my car on his site's review of the detector.
GREAT review thanks!!! pictures really helped too.
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Your best bet is to drive safely if you dont want a ticket. Laser guns are point and shoot. They are extremely accurate and it will be too late by the time your detector goes off. As far as radar, it is controled by a remote. It only activates when they press a button. The old radars which are always on are not used by many departments anymore.
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By the way, any radar or laser jammers are illegal in some states and you can be arrested so install at your own risk.
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By the way, any radar or laser jammers are illegal in some states and you can be arrested so install at your own risk.
Radar jammers are illegal in all states. Laser jammers are only illegal in about 5 states but they arent going to arrest you for having them you will get a fix it ticket.
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Your best bet is to drive safely if you dont want a ticket. Laser guns are point and shoot. They are extremely accurate and it will be too late by the time your detector goes off. As far as radar, it is controled by a remote. It only activates when they press a button. The old radars which are always on are not used by many departments anymore.
this depends more on your location. a lot of departments are going to instant on but i wouldnt say "not many departments use constant on". if you have a good detector you can catch the signal when they are shooting someone else and have time to slow down.
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Radar jammers are illegal in all states. Laser jammers are only illegal in about 5 states but they arent going to arrest you for having them you will get a fix it ticket.
Here is a link to laws on jammers in some states. And yes you can be arrested

http://www.1stradardetectors.com/blo...-laws-usa.html
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