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The BMW 5-Series (E39 chassis) was introduced in the United States as a 1997 model year car and lasted until the 2004 when the E60 chassis was released. The United States saw several variations including the 525i, 528i, 530i and 540i. -- View the E39 Wiki

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Old 08-16-2014, 06:32 AM
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Great advice. I'm a new member and I already running into some issues with my 528i. But searching for some related topics on those issues is the best idea.


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97 528i camshaft sensor malfunction code

Need help with code camshaft sensor malfunction. I have already replaced the camshaft sensor and I'm still getting the same code with engine light keeps coming back on. Engine misfire and shaking a bit. I was told that the part might be defective. I don't want to buy another part and still get the same problem. Also, I want to know if I need to replace my oxygen sensors with these readings - Bank 1 Sensor 1 0.095V Short Term Fuel Trim 28.13% Lean
Bank 1 Sensor 2 0.800V Short Term Fuel Trim Not Available - does that mean sensor 2 is bad?

Fuel System 1 Status Closed Loop Control using Oxygen Sensor - Normal
Fuel System 2 Status Closed Loop Control using Oxygen Sensor - Normal

I have recently replaced exhaust
Replaced engine oil/filter
Replaced both tps sensor
Replaced mass air flow sensor
Cleaned air filter
Checked hoses no breaks or leaks

When I remove the engine oil cap it seems to ide better.

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Old 12-18-2014, 04:54 AM
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And, below, I list the firefox settings I use for efficient tab handling when culling out the riffraff from extensive search results:
Regarding opening many tabs and efficiently closing them as they pan out, Mozilla has disabled the about config BrowserTabCloseButton={1,2,3} setting so that what I wrote above no longer works after Firefox version 31:
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=865826

The workaround is to install the Firefox extension "tabs-closebutton-restored":
- https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...tton-restored/

EDIT: The good thing is that you get a close button both on every tab, and one that never changes location (to be placed where you want it placed).

To repeat the reason this matters, is that efficiency is a lot of little things done well. Searching, by necessity, involves opening multiple tabs, and closing those that don't pan out, so that you can concentrate on the best of the links found. This is an easy way to close out the tabs, with an absolute minimum amount of effort, so that you will be willing to open the tabs in the first place to ascertain whether they'll be useful.

The worst search is the search not done, and this little tidbit helps get the search done.
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make me scared to ask now

tried the methods, yet no outcome, few questions to ask about my car but seems simple to be answered, e.g. cannt diffrentiate my engine is it m52 or m54, ran search , so many videos showed different engine for same picture, and difference between timing chain or belt and the what so called tensioner belt, which needs to be changed and at least how to check it out, all do respect
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i drive 98 e39 528i benzine straight six, oil rod is next to wind shield beneath fuel intake to intake mannifold
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Today someone asked about torque specs, and I pointed them to the canonical link in the bestlinks, which, in the olden days, often pointed to a specific post (in this case, an old canonical post with a dead URL from cn90) and they came back saying the torque spec document wasn't there (at that post).

But, they had not bothered to read the thread (they had just tried the URL that cn90 had provided in one post).

So, if you are reading this thread to figure out how to find things, please look at the ENTIRE thread if someone points you to a POST in a thread, if that post doesn't specifically answer your question.

Since we improve threads by incrementalization, over time, the THREAD (if not the POST) will contain everything you need to know, as was the case today...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > torque specs
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hi, looking for head bolt torque spec for 1999 4.4 vanos
a url link to prove your readings would be nice too.
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Typing /torque f3 in the bestlinks nets this...
- BMW Torque specifications
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Ya that didn't help. Said the page was up for deleteation. Can anybody else pls help me find head bolt torque specs for 1999 vanos
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Try this attachment (from that thread).
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Ya that helps, thanks
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Had you just looked at the thread, you would have found that same torque spec that Bobdmac kindly supplied in post #5 of the thread I had already pointed you to.

In addition, I had forgotten to mention that typing /torque_ (the underscore captures PDF files) in the bestlinks nets this:
- BMW_torque_values_for_all_bolts_1997.pdf (172.4 KB, 1164 views)

Which is also the same document.
Nonetheless, I'll update the canonical thread and bestlinks references so that it's more clear that the torque specs are available in that PDF.
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Thanks
In summary, if you want to find something:
- Look in the THREAD (in addition to the POST)
- Consider using underscores in the bestlinks search (if you're looking for a PDF document)
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It's rare, nowadays, for an E39 to have a unique problem, but, there was one today which deserves note for how we handled it (by way of explaining the process)...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Removing radio from an e39 528i
  1. Australian user asks how to remove 1996 e39 528i radio.
  2. QSilver and Edjack and JimLev do their part to assist
  3. Radio turns out to be IRIS style
  4. Bluebee searches and finds what's there for IRIS removal and then adds a bestlinks reference, so that the next person searching for IRIS radio removal procedures can more easily find the information provided by QSilver, Edjack, and JimLev, and the search results.
That new thread is now the "canonical" thread on IRIS removal, such that we should strive to cross reference new useful threads to that thread, for one-stop shopping for the next person with the same problem.
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p0505 and p1523 my bmw 1999 528i is shaking

Hello I'm new to this site, and I need some insight with two codes i got on the obd Ii reader, well I'll first start by saying ive changed all my plugs and #6 coil and valve cover gasket. it stopped for 2 weeks and started back shaking again, since then i've changed the maf, camshaft position aculator intake and exhaust, oil change, I show 2 codes p0505 and p1523. The symptoms are it acts like its missing its a constant shake. I can go over 70mph but it shakes when i press the gas, recently I noticed my headlights flickering along with the skaking can someone please help......

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Hello im new to this site, and i need some insight with two codes i got, well first ive changed my plugs and #6 coil and valve cover gasket, maf, camshaft position aculator, oil change, i show 2 codes p0505 and p1523 cqn someone please help......
Have you looked up the codes? Look them up at obd-codes.com. It could have something to do with your ICV.
Also, open up a new thread with your issue. It will get more attention.
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I would recommend starting your own thread with your issue in the title. It is more likely to get attention and you're more likely to find a solution.
Have you checked your oil? Is it low? Does it look dark?
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Ive only done 150 miles since buying it, checked oil and its between the min and max Topped it up to max but the the lights still on .., sounds like there's no oil at the top half of the engine Very concerned any ideas on what it could be
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I would recommend starting your own thread with your issue in the title
We really should ask the moderators to delete the off-topic posts to any sticky thread (and, of course, in general, we should ignore those posts, perhaps sending a PM to the errant posters letting them know why they'll never get their answer that way).

Anyway, I came here just now to make a point about how the bestlinks has been morphing, over time, to be the best links INSIDE of Bimmerfest, and specifically inside the Bimmerfest E39 forum, and, how we've been cross referencing the canonical threads inside of Bimmerfest.

There's nothing wrong with best links outside of bimmerfest, EXCEPT that it's hard to add value to thread outside of bimmerfest (and, it's easy to link outside threads to inside threads on Bimmerfest).

Today, that issue came up when I was researching the best M54 head gasket DIY for this thread:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Head gasket?

Of course, I typed /head gasket f3 in the bestlinks, and, since there were a few hits, I went backward (using Shift F3) to find the last ones (which are generally the best overall).

However, in this case, it found a thread OUTSIDE of Bimmefest...
- A DIY for replacing the I6 M54 head gasket (1) & a DIY for replacing the V8 M62TU head gasket (1)

The problem with pointing to that external M54 head gasket DIY isn't that it's not a good DIY (it is); the problem is that (a) we can't easily improve it, and (b) it may disappear at any time.

So, I searched for an I6 head gasket DIY INSIDE of Bimmerfest (using the classic E39-only title-only search for simple keywords such as "head gasket"). Of course, the problem is that search finds five pages of hits encompassing over a hundred threads.

Of course, if it was ME, who needed a head gasket DIY, I'd read EVERY one of those hits ( and a few hundred others found on the net); and I'd likely summarize what I found, and ask a few questions, and then buy the tools and snap photos of every single bolt and provide a description down to the thread and torque values; but I don't have that kind of energy for a problem that I don't even have. If others, who do have the problem do that, it would make sense - but those people are few and far between (perhaps one out of a few thousand).

You'd think we could easily narrow down the Bimmerfest-only E39-only search to "M54 head gasket diy" (which is what we really want to find), but, of course, that finds zero hits (since most people unhelpfully just put something like "head gasket" or "overheat" or "blown engine" or just "engine" as their subject line).

But, there's hope ...

It turns out, by looking at the "head gasket" threads, and then picking the ones with the most posts, and then reading them, I find a cross reference to this thread (which I would never have found with a title-only search) which I would normally unilaterally declare the canonical thread on how to replace the M54 head gasket.
> E34 (1989 - 1995) > 525i Head

But, then I find out it's an E34 thread. Sigh.

Given this situation, sometimes it's just best to start a NEW thread, with a GOOD TITLE, and KEYWORDS.

Then, we can at least, over time, turn that thread into a canonical thread, by constant cross referencing when NEW related threads come along...

It's not perfect, but, it's a PROCESS to make things better for the NEXT person with the same problem, which, we hope, will outlast our time here on Bimmerfest...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > How to test, remove and replace the M54 cracked cylinder head DIY or head gasket DIY

TAGS: blown engine, blown gasket, compression test, cracked head, engine overheated, head gasket, overheated
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Today, I tried to help someone, where the bestlinks referred to a thread outside of Bimmerfest (which I don't do anymore) which turned out to be a dead link.

Worse, the best link I could find using a bimmerfest search referred to photos which were on an outside picture archive site (ImageShack), and, even worse than that, the links to the pictures came up with a strange out-of-locale error.

This is why, lately, I have been doing two things to prevent these problems in the future.

1. Bestlinks should link only to Bimmerfest threads, and, inside those canonical threads, they can then refer to outside links, and,
2. Any canonical thread in the bestlinks should have all its pictures preserved (locally) in that thread.

I ask others to preserve the pictures whenever they can (to spread the effort out a bit, as it is a pain to include someone else's pictures all the time).

For details, here is the actual thread today that prompted this, and the related response:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > -40 F on Display Panel

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It's news to me that these two items would be related, so, for now, I'd either treat them separately, or, consider this a voltage issue with the electronics.

For details on the voltage issue, look here (found by typing /cluster f3 in the bestlinks)...
- One user's experience debugging a half-dead instrument cluster (1) which, after testing the fuses (1) battery & alternator (1) thankfully turned into an alternative battery search (1) and a simple battery replacement DIY (1)

For details on the -40 reading, typing /-40 f3 in the bestlinks nets this...
- Outside ambient temperature sensor reads -40° on the cluster (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) & how to calibrate the ambient temp sensor (1) & how to change OBC MID IHKA KTMP temperature from degrees Celcius to Fahrenheit (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7)

For details on the gas gauge, look here (found by typing /gas gauge f3 in the bestlinks)...
- How to troubleshoot your gas gauge sending unit (1)
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It's news to me that these two items would be related, so, for now, I'd either treat them separately, or, consider this a voltage issue with the electronics.

For details on the voltage issue, look here (found by typing /cluster f3 in the bestlinks)...
- One user's experience debugging a half-dead instrument cluster (1) which, after testing the fuses (1) battery & alternator (1) thankfully turned into an alternative battery search (1) and a simple battery replacement DIY (1)

For details on the -40 reading, typing /-40 f3 in the bestlinks nets this...
- Outside ambient temperature sensor reads -40° on the cluster (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) & how to calibrate the ambient temp sensor (1) & how to change OBC MID IHKA KTMP temperature from degrees Celcius to Fahrenheit (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7)

For details on the gas gauge, look here (found by typing /gas gauge f3 in the bestlinks)...
- How to troubleshoot your gas gauge sending unit (1)
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Drat.

I used to add outside links to the bestlinks, but, this one is dead, so, that's why I stopped linking to the outside directly (the link can be in the thread).

Now it's time to look for a new canonical troubleshooting the gas-gauge thread.

Running the obligatory e39-only title-only search (of course, assuming that any op who used a bad title probably has a bad thread, so we only look for good titles as a pragmatic matter), using the keywords 'gas gauge', we get 16 hits, none with greater than 31 hits, and only two with pictures.
Of those two, the first was easily the better thread, but the pictures were on a foreign site, which said "this content is not available for your location" (whatever that means). Luckily, I had re-posted the pictures (as I am wont to do) so that they'd be on Bimmerfest (they must hate me for the bandwidth I use in just the thousands of pictures alone) for as long as the thread is available.

I'll add a new bestlink to bimmerfest pointing to that thread (I can't edit the old links so I am forced to ADD links, which is why I generally search the bestlinks backwards, i.e., I use slash+keyword+shift+f3 instead of slash+keyword+f3.

In addition, in that newly linked-to thread, I'll add the 16 threads which were found, so that the next person looking to troubleshoot this problem can start where I left off and improve the newly canonical thread from there...
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Here's a worst case scenario today, where the bestlinks references were all both outside of Bimmerfest, and far better than anything I could easily find on Bimmerfest. Sigh.
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > e39 4 spoke to 3 spoke sport steering wheel swap
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I have a 2002 530i with a 11/2001 build date. I currently have the base 4 spoke steering wheel and want to upgrade to the 3 spoke sport one. from what I've read , i know (assume ) i have a dual stage airbag. What year (and build dates) e46 , e39, e53 & e38 steering wheels/airbags can i install?
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At first I'd wonder why anyone would care how many spokes are on their steering wheel, but, as a quick test, I simply typed /steering wheel f3 in the bestlinks and this came up.
- How to retrofit a 4-spoke steering wheel to a 3-spoke M-Sport steering wheel (1) (2) (3) (4)

Unfortunately, all those are non-bimmerfest links, so, in order to help the OP improve upon our tribal knowledge, I'll unilaterally declare a bimmerfest link to be the canonical link for the conversion of a 4-spoke steering wheel to a 3-spoke steering wheel.

Running the obligatory title-only e39-only keyword search, using "steering wheel" as the keyword, I get too many hits (386), so I refined that search to "steering wheel retrofit", which nets a manageable 5 hits, one of which was:
- 97-98 Sport Steering Wheel retrofit question

That thread wasn't all that useful, so, I tried "steering wheel upgrade" (although, personally, I don't see how this is an "upgrade"), which came up with 7 hits, which the OP may peruse to see if they answer the question.

Having run those searches, I'd say there isn't a clear canonical DIY for the desired retrofit issues involved (which appears to have complications such as airbag, heating buttons, and other controls).

Given that situation, if the current OP decides to write a DIY, I'd be able to confidently link in the bestlinks the DIY to be written - but - until then - there really is no canonical thread that I can find in two or three minutes of searching for a good retrofit DIY on Bimmerfest.

Hence, the non-bimmerfest DIYs remain.


See also:
- How to identify a heated steering wheel (1) & how to retrofit to a 3-spoke M-Sport steering wheel (1) (2) (3) (4) & heated steering wheel mods (1) & restoring the life of an old steering wheel (1) (2) & where to buy the BMW steering wheel roundel (1) (2) (3) (4) (5).
Unsure of what to do, I simply added the OP's thread to the bestlinks, as the de-facto canonical thread, and, maybe, if we update it by incessant incrementalism, it would finally become a decent canonical thread, over time:

I didn't know what else to do that would add value ...
- How to identify a heated steering wheel (1) & how to retrofit to a 3-spoke M-Sport steering wheel (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) & heated steering wheel mods (1) & restoring the life of an old steering wheel (1) (2) & where to buy the BMW steering wheel roundel (1) (2) (3) (4) (5).
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By way of explanation, every once in a while, a truly rare problem pops up, such as this aux fan explosion thread today...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Aux fan EXPLOSION!??

Luckily, there was a link found by typing /aux fan f3 in the bestlinks, namely...
- DIY for how to replace the auxiliary fan (1) (2) (3) & how to test the cooling system auxiliary electrical fan (1) (2) & the infamous fuse 75 (1) & the aux fan relay (1) & an exploding aux fan noise situation (1)

But, looking at that link, there wasn't much information.

So, as I am wont to do, to save others the time and effort, I ran the obligatory "exploding aux fan" and "aux fan explode" keyword search, and found almost nothing (since this is a rare issue).

Given that, and realizing that one search can save others time, I ran a title-only e39-only search for "aux fan", and picked out likely suspects, and added THEM to that canonical thread, so that others can start where we left off (and then run their own searches from there).

In that process, I found a couple additional disintegrating aux fan blade threads, and added THEM to that canonical thread.

In this way, one thread provides a user with all that is available, on bimmerfest anyway, at the current time.

I also ran a standard google image search for similar keywords, and appended that information.
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Today, an unusual issue came up, mostly, I think, because the OP is ignoring anecdotal statistics and insisting on throwing parts at the problem:
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > ?; Replacing charcoal canister

Nonetheless, the problem for the bestlinks is that there was no canonical thread on debugging the evap purge valve (aka fuel tank breather valve) combined with the charcoal canister debugging.

So, as I am wont to do, I searched (as shown below), where the fuzzy algorithm for declaring the canonical thread is based on number of posts and photos, and intent.

Now that a canonical purge valve thread is defined, we can update "it" with all the cross references, for one-stop shopping for the next person wishing to test the purge valve (or to throw parts at the problem)...

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Separately, I'll search for a canonical purge valve thread to link to in the bestlinks, so that the next person finds purge valve information easier.
Running the Bimmerfest-only E39-only title-only search for "purge valve", nets only 11 threads, these two of which contained both pictures and a decent number of posts:
- DIY purge valve/fuel tank breather valve
- Purge control valve vac hose help!

While these two contained pictures, but not many posts:
- Purge valve sensor
- EVAP Purge Valve Flow

Given the first above is a DIY, and that it has the most posts, I'm going to unilaterally declare it the "canonical" thread on the "purge valve" by placing it in a keyword-rich sentence in the bestlinks, so that others find this more easily in the future (and so that we can cross reference new purge-valve information to that thread, over time, so that it improves by incessant incrementalism):
- Debugging the gasoline evap purge valve sensor and purge control valve evaporative emissions fuel system vapor recovery P0440 P0441 P0442 P0444 P0445 P0446 P0451 P1403 and other fuel tank breather valve and gas cap leak obd codes (1) & a fuel injection LDP leak detection pump DIY (1) & a fuel system charcoal canister R&R DIY (1) & where is the fuel tank breather valve located (1) & tricks for resolving the P0455 diagnostic trouble code when the missing gas cap is replaced (1) & does spilled gasoline really go into the charcoal canister via the two steel vent holes in the fuel filler canister at the 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock position and why is there a hole in the 6 o'clock position of my fuel filler hole rubber gasket (1)
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Here's a worst case scenario today, where the bestlinks references were all both outside of Bimmerfest, and far better than anything I could easily find on Bimmerfest. Sigh.
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > e39 4 spoke to 3 spoke sport steering wheel swap




Unsure of what to do, I simply added the OP's thread to the bestlinks, as the de-facto canonical thread, and, maybe, if we update it by incessant incrementalism, it would finally become a decent canonical thread, over time:

I didn't know what else to do that would add value ...
- How to identify a heated steering wheel (1) & how to retrofit to a 3-spoke M-Sport steering wheel (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) & heated steering wheel mods (1) & restoring the life of an old steering wheel (1) (2) & where to buy the BMW steering wheel roundel (1) (2) (3) (4) (5).
Bluebee,

Im not sure if you followed the thread but I ended doing the swap. Take a look at the last post on the thread and see if you feel it will help e39 facelift owners. I included a pictures that should help pre and post facelift owners identify single and dual stage airbags.

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=840628

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Squeaking on driver (left) when steering wheel is turned

Recently we, in Houston Texas, have had a rash of storms that have flooded many streets. Fortunately I have not experienced any high water while commuting to work. Yes, there has been small pools I have driven through (maybe 2-3 inches deep). Three days ago I noticed a squeaking sound when I turned the steering wheel. At first I thought it was power steering related. Yesterday I jacked both front wheels off the ground and with the engine running discovered that the sound was coming from the steering linkage. I did a search and found nothing related to squeaking when turning the steering wheel. I have a 2000 540I with 130,000 miles. The sound is definitely coming from some part of the steering linkage on the left side of the car. Any help resolving this problem is appreciated.
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This discussion over here today on a "can't open trunk" thread points out some of the faults and workarounds to finding relevant material on Bimmerfest...
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > Trunk shut no battery cannot open
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A better question is why is this even being asked? The same question was asked in 2009 and commented on yet again just 1 hour before he asked the same thing. Right here:

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=401683

Which of course brings us back to reading and searching before you ask the same thing. Right here:

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=593548
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In this case...I'm more forgiving in that this is the OP's first post to the forum. The learning curve is fresh. We all start somewhere...and for a noob...there will be things to learn.
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Which is exactly why the very first thread on this page is made specifically for noobs and noobs only and specifically states "read me first" before posting your question. Since we all start somewere, that should be the spot to start. It is the first link on the page. Geez Louise. Yes, there are things to learn and that should be the first thing to learn and well as the best of links below it where he can read to his hearts content. Or we can agree to support and condone ignorance.

The learning curve is fresh? What does that even mean?
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I'm with you. I too asked a few "already answered ... many times" questions when I began on this forum. And the OP deserves credit for A) asking instead of demanding help, B) writing in complete sentences with a train of thought that a reader could follow. Quite a contrast to many. I hope s/he hasn't been scared off.

OP - we are mostly a friendlier bunch than your first experience would indicate. Let us know how the trunk issue works out for you.
BTW, the key locks have a habit of seizing up from lack of use. If yours are frozen, some thin spray lube and time working the key will free them up. There are several threads on the issue ... and now you have an idea how to find them.
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Many "details" can get lost into the "that's obvious" category, but unfortunately many noobs don't think a lot of it is that obvious or they wouldn't have so many questions.

Example: There is a fire hydrant in front of the house across the street and yet their son's girlfriend is ALWAYS parking in front of it. It is obvious to most older people that you are not supposed to park there, but because it is so obvious you have to wonder if they explain that in drivers education (for the record, my 17yo son says yes they do where he took the class).

So Bluebee, keep typing out all the details because there will always be someone who will appreciate it. And good job beating Q...and you are all the way over in California hours behind him.
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Before the internet there was the Owner's Manual, a wonderful publication that all new owners should take the time to read the first day they take possession. So many questions are answered in this book. I have no problem with those who come here to this forum for information, but wouldn't it be quicker to open the glove box?
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Sad, but most used Bimmers these days are passed along sans owner's manual, and only one key (the car came with four).
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Dee- you were right on and many of us were WRONG. However, may I ask you something? Does it get to you that you put so much work into *packaging* all these canonical posts and yet they seem to be ignored when everything one needs to know is in one place? I know you personally put considerable time and effort into doing so, yet some can find and others can't....this brings me to a question that does NOT relate to your canonical threads.

What is the secret "key" to the algorithm used in *both* forum search functions? Any one have more specific tips as I use occasionally with VERY MIXED results, so it begs the question "what does the search engine want from a user"? I put in some short, specific, "key" words in the simple search and often gets 5 or 6 posts listed that have none of the words I insert in the search box in the title, the topic is completely off, and I must assume that somewhere in one of the reply posts someone has used my key words likely out of the context I am seeking. Other times, I get "fair success" as at least the threads returned *may be* on topic if I select the right thread returned. Don't mean this to run off-topic as I am sure I already have, but when I see posts like the OP posted, it begs the question is there a better way to find your threads on these topics Bee? I personally find yours easily, but I use them regularly so I understand the simple process. Can the search function within a "canned forum infrastructure" be updated to a more functional search function? I guess only if whoever designed wants to work on these older formats?? The "battery dead and can't open trunk" is just such a frequent topic and so many answers exist; it is just a shame people can't seem to find. I am not so sure anymore that none of these newbies don't try at all. They may just not get good search results? I'm flipping on myself- must be mellowing in my old age. Just some thoughts from those who frequently use the search function and have they found a method that works with the algorithm to get more consistent "on topic" results. Again, sorry to hi-jack, but believe topic has been addressed well and I just post whatever is on my mind, wherever! My bad for sure. Apologies to the forum. Depending on answers, I can make a new thread. Bill

AFTER-THOUGHT: I would vote that bees canonical threads warrant their own "STICKY" which in no way says that Doru's and other's posts are not equally valuable, but maybe we consider another sticky for the collective data Bee has assembled?
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searching the forums is almost a futile effort, I rarely ever bother if you do not have the right keyword it's not gonna work it's not a real robust search function
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Its not just the lack of a search, the prior post entitled "Cannot open trunk? No power" was commented on just one hour before he posted his question. Therefore he should have been looking right at that fresh post on the same page when he click on "new thread".
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I don't have a problem with someone who faces an immediate issue asking for our expertise. I am the lind of guy who will always RTFM, but there is a lot of info there, and it is not always that clear. (Try to understand the HVAC system with only one reading). And search does not work that well with more than one word to be searched.

I hope the OP solved his/her problem.
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We all may have a different response to the issues above, and I don't claim to have the only solution, but here are some of my workarounds to the very real issues listed above...

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I understand your point, which is fair enough that searching for "battery dead" or "key locked in trunk" is going to get you a zillion hits. It will even get a million hits if you limit it to E39-only and title-only filters.

You could, if you knew enough, additionally add a filter of, say, 'cn90' or 'QSilver7', or '540iman', etc., but a noob would never know enough to have that kind of finesse.

But, that's EXACTLY why typing /battery dead f3 in the bestlinks is such a great workaround to that problem. It only finds hits that someone deemed valuable enough to include in the bestlinks, and, it does that in less than a second or two.

Personally, I don't believe most of what people say (probably more than half is made up) especially when they say "I searched and searched". Just as when someone says "I replaced all four wheel speed sensors", the only two possibilities are (a) they're morons, or, (b) they're telling us a fib.

There is no other possibility, and they never supply the links or pictures, so, I lean more toward they're telling us a fib than they're so moronic as to run searches for "battery dead" and still find nothing.

My supply of "salt" for use when noobs post, is getting larger and larger as I age ...
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There is an emotional involvement, that does get to me, every once in a while.
It's especially irksome when I post links, and the people don't click on them - yet - they ask the very same questions that are already answered in the links.

While this happens daily, if it happens too many times in a single thread, I generally "solve" the problem by putting the person on Iggy. In the beginning, I was very selective about iggy - but - now - if the OP doesn't make sense, I put 'em on iggy because I have learned that some people can't be helped the way I help.

Of course, the way others help (such as QSilver, for example), is to PATIENTLY provide the answer the person asks sans editorial - which I don't have the patience for.

Likewise, Bill recently was exasperated trying to teach someone I had put on iggy a week or two before Bill became frustrated himself - the op was that helpless - so, in the end, it's a GOOD THING we all have DIFFERENT personalities because we approach the noobs differently.

And, as stated, we were all once noobs too.
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I found out early that the search function suffers from two huge flaws, one of which we all have solved, the other of which I only have a workaround for.

The first huge flaw is that too much garbage pops up. For example, if you type "brake job" into the search function, you'll get a million hits, and most of them stink. Many are even wrong.

Our "workaround" to that problem is Chivas' bestlinks thread, which I don't need to elaborate upon other than to say you type /brake f3 and voila, you get a thread that has been updated over the years, to contain exactly what is needed.

The second huge flaw shows its ugly face when you need information on a topic that is not in the bestlinks. Usually it's something I don't care about, such as bling or turbochargers or tires or wheels or poser M5 conversions, etc.

While the problem is the same, that too much garbage results from the search, the way I workaround that is to ONLY use the E39-only and the title-only search feature, with my keywords (usually more than one keyword).

This search only finds threads with "good titles", of course:
- Why we should use descriptive titles instead of single word or ubiquitous multi-word subject lines (1)

But, my hypothesis is that people who write bad titles also write bad threads (and vice versa).
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I agree that the unadulterated search stinks, but, a title-only e39-only search generally pops up good stuff (as does a bestlinks thread-only keyword search).

I'll give you an example of the 'in-your-face' answer from a stripped spark plugs thread today.

1. The OP asks about the problem (which is fair enough).
2. I provide the classic helicoil/timesert and Bosch-popping-out related links.
3. The OP continues to ask questions so I ask for pictures.
4. To the OP's credit, pictures are forthcoming (guess what? Bosch plugs!)
5. The OP asks "why" it happened and I tell the OP that question was already answered, twice (once by his own pictures).
6. He posts back that he doesn't get it.

Now in this case, I give the OP a little slack because I was being slightly clever by giving the thread (which only mentions that it's common with Bosch plugs INSIDE the thread - which the OP would have had to READ in order to get that datapoint).

But still - had the OP actually READ the thread I pointed him to in the second post of his thread, the fact that Bosch plugs pop out all the time would have been obvious to him. So, it's obvious to me that either the OP (a) didn't read the thread, or (b) isn't all that intelligent, and therefore must be spoon fed more directly (with an intravenous tube).
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