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Ok, noob just joining your forum. I had a 325i and upgraded to a 2011 535i Xdrive Saphire Black with tan interior. Love this car...except... it stalls out when putting the throttle to it when I first start driving it. Seems that its only when its cold. I will start going down the road and i feel a pretty substantial jolt and then i get a "Drive-train" warning on the display and no RPMs. i coast to a stop and then turn the car off and then it starts right up and off i go. It won't do it again after it gets warm. Next morning, same thing. I've put new coils and plugs in it, (except #6, i can't get to it. ) Seems not to make a difference. It doesn't drive better or worse. I can get it so it doesn't do it by being real super light on the throttle...only increasing speed ever so slightly. So, now I can almost 'make ' it happen by giving it some more gas. I've read here and other posts about issues with the V8s but this is a straight 6. 3.0 twin turbo. I've also read in some posts about a stalling issue but they seemed to be during regular driving, not first thing when its cold. I hope this isn't something major. Just picked this car up. Any ideas would be appreciated.
 

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Have you scanned for codes? It can be a hundred different items.
 

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I have a reader I used on the 325i but i haven't tried it yet. Your right, I should scan for codes. My experience with the 325 was that the slightest fluctuation on any sensor would raise the 'Service Engine Soon' light, so my thought was that the 535 would not be any different. Is there a recommended reader and software?
 

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Ok, I used the Carista reader i had and the ODB Fusion software on my iphone. Generated the following report:

Manufacturer: BMW
Model: 535
Year: 2011

Monitor Status Report


Name Continuous Available Complete
Misfire Yes Yes Yes
Fuel System Yes Yes Yes
Components Yes Yes Yes
Catalyst No Yes Yes
Heated Catalyst No No No
Evap System No Yes No
Secondary Air System No No No
AC Refrigerant No No No
Oxygen Sensor No Yes Yes
Oxygen Sensor Heater No Yes Yes
EGR System No Yes Yes

MIL Off
Number of Confirmed Codes: 0
Readiness Standard: None

This vehicle is ready for emissions testing.

Trouble Code Report


There are no pending, stored, or permanent diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs).

Mode $01 - Powertrain Diagnostic Data


PID Description Value Units
SAE 0x03 Fuel system 1 status 2
SAE 0x03 Fuel system 2 status 0
SAE 0x04 Calculated load value 12.55 %
SAE 0x05 Engine coolant temperature 194 F
SAE 0x06 Short term fuel % trim - Bank 1 -1.56 %
SAE 0x07 Long term fuel % trim - Bank 1 4.69 %
SAE 0x0B Intake manifold absolute pressure 27.46 inHg
SAE 0x0C Engine RPM 645 RPM
SAE 0x0D Vehicle speed 0 MPH
SAE 0x0E Ignition timing advance for #1 cylinder 0 deg
SAE 0x0F Intake air temperature 82.4 F
SAE 0x10 Mass air flow rate 0.5 lb/min
SAE 0x11 Absolute throttle position 13.73 %
SAE 0x13 Location of oxygen sensors 3
SAE 0x15 O2 voltage (Bank 1, Sensor 2) 0.72 V
SAE 0x15 Short term fuel trim (Bank 1, Sensor 2) 99.22 %
SAE 0x1C OBD requirements to which vehicle or engine is certified 1
SAE 0x1F Time since engine start 1055 sec
SAE 0x21 Distance traveled while MIL is activated 0 miles
SAE 0x23 Fuel rail pressure 700.53 psi
SAE 0x2E Commanded evaporative purge 47.06 %
SAE 0x2F Fuel level input 78.43 %
SAE 0x30 Number of warm-ups since DTCs cleared 46
SAE 0x31 Distance traveled since DTCs cleared 611.43 miles
SAE 0x33 Barometric pressure 28.94 inHg
SAE 0x34 O2 sensor lambda wide range (current probe) (Bank 1, Sensor 1) 1
SAE 0x34 O2 sensor current wide range (Bank 1, Sensor 1) -0.02 mA
SAE 0x3C Catalyst temperature (Bank 1 Sensor 1) 872.06 F
SAE 0x42 Control module voltage 14.58 V
SAE 0x43 Absolute load value 20.39 %
SAE 0x44 Fuel/Air commanded equivalence ratio 1
SAE 0x45 Relative throttle position 3.14 %
SAE 0x46 Ambient air temperature 37.4 F
SAE 0x47 Absolute throttle position B 13.73 %
SAE 0x49 Accelerator pedal position D 14.12 %
SAE 0x4A Accelerator pedal position E 7.06 %
SAE 0x4C Commanded throttle actuator control 4.31 %
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature sensors supported 5
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 1, sensor 1 84.2 F
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 1, sensor 2 419 F
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 1, sensor 3 84.2 F
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 2, sensor 1 419 F
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 2, sensor 2 419 F
SAE 0x68 Intake air temperature bank 2, sensor 3 419 F
Aux 0x00 Input voltage read by the scan tool 13.8 V

Mode $02 - Freeze Frame


Freeze Frame data is not available.

Mode $05 - Oxygen Sensors


Sensor Available
Bank 1 - Sensor 1 Yes
Bank 1 - Sensor 2 Yes
Bank 1 - Sensor 3 No
Bank 1 - Sensor 4 No
Bank 2 - Sensor 1 No
Bank 2 - Sensor 2 No
Bank 2 - Sensor 3 No
Bank 2 - Sensor 4 No

Mode $06 - On-Board Monitoring


Component Description Value Minimum Maximum Units Result
$01 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1 TID $83 - Manufacturer Defined 0.749 0.3 1.9988 Pass
$01 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1 TID $90 - Manufacturer Defined 0.1074 0.0361 7.9999 V Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $01 - Rich to lean sensor threshold voltage (constant) 0.7097 0.7097 0.7097 V Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $02 - Lean to rich sensor threshold voltage (constant) 0.7097 0.7097 0.7097 V Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $05 - Rich to lean sensor switch time (calculated) 0.08 0 0.42 sec Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined 0.7028 0 0.7028 V Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $82 - Manufacturer Defined 0.7028 0.7028 1.1306 V Pass
$02 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $86 - Manufacturer Defined 0.113 0 0.1392 V Pass
$21 - Catalyst Monitor Bank 1 TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined 128.27 100 655.35 % Pass
$35 - VVT Monitor Bank 1 TID $80 - Manufacturer Defined -42.83 -54 -34 deg Pass
$35 - VVT Monitor Bank 1 TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined -42.83 -54 -34 deg Pass
$35 - VVT Monitor Bank 1 TID $82 - Manufacturer Defined 38.12 27.41 47.41 deg Pass
$35 - VVT Monitor Bank 1 TID $83 - Manufacturer Defined 38.12 27.41 47.41 deg Pass
$3B - EVAP Monitor (0.040”) TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3C - EVAP Monitor (0.020”) TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3D - Purge Flow Monitor TID $90 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3D - Purge Flow Monitor TID $91 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3D - Purge Flow Monitor TID $92 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3D - Purge Flow Monitor TID $93 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$3D - Purge Flow Monitor TID $94 - Manufacturer Defined 0 0 0 mA Pass
$41 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 1 TID $85 - Manufacturer Defined 785.2 725.1 6513.5 C Pass
$42 - Exhaust Gas Sensor Heater Monitor Bank 1 – Sensor 2 TID $81 - Manufacturer Defined 0.088 0 0.226 kOhm Pass
$A2 - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 7 0 65535 counts Pass
$A2 - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 4 0 65535 counts Pass
$A3 - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A3 - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 1 0 65535 counts Pass
$A4 - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A4 - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 2 0 65535 counts Pass
$A5 - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A5 - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A6 - Misfire Cylinder 5 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A6 - Misfire Cylinder 5 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 1 0 65535 counts Pass
$A7 - Misfire Cylinder 6 Data TID $0C - Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles (calculated, rounded to an integer value) 0 0 65535 counts Pass
$A7 - Misfire Cylinder 6 Data TID $0B - EWMA (Exponential Weighted Moving Average) misfire counts for last ten (10) driving cycles 1 0 65535 counts Pass

Mode $09 - Vehicle Information


General Information

Description Value
Vehicle Identification Number WBAFU7C56BC876813
Calibration ID - $7E0 44BEC695
Calibration ID - $7E1 4101D16F
Calibration Verification Number - $7E0 44BEC695
Calibration Verification Number - $7E1 4101D16F
In-Performance Tracking

Counter Description Value
0x00 OBD Monitoring Conditions Encountered Counts 2187
0x01 Ignition Cycle Counter 6834
0x02 Catalyst Monitor Completion Counts Bank 1 3832
0x03 Catalyst Monitor Conditions Encountered Counts Bank 1 2186
0x06 O2 Sensor Monitor Completion Counts Bank 1 3871
0x07 O2 Sensor Monitor Conditions Encountered Counts Bank 1 2186
0x0A EGR and/or VVT Monitor Completion Condition Counts 5244
0x0B EGR and/or VVT Monitor Conditions Encountered Counts 2187
0x0E EVAP Monitor Completion Condition Counts 408
0x0F EVAP Monitor Conditions Encountered Counts 534
0x10 Secondary O2 Sensor Monitor Completion Counts Bank 1 4435
0x11 Secondary O2 Sensor Monitor Conditions Encountered Counts Bank 1 2186
 

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I can***8217;t make much sense of that other than it looks to be running fine with no stored or active codes. You may have to have it hooked up while the issue occurs. Others will chime in.
 

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That was actually one of my first thoughts. The similar issue happened with my 325i. I was getting alot of random strange codes and so i tried cleaning the MAF. It didn't help, but a new MAF did help. Cleared almost all the codes. I did some research on the 535 and it was hard to tell if this engine had a MAF or some other type of sensor. I found a sensor in the intake directly after the airbox and pulled it out and sprayed it down with MAF Cleaner spray, let it dry and then reinstalled. Sorry didn't mention that in my first post. Didn't seem to help. Still does the same thing. I guess i could try a new one and see if it helps.:dunno:
 

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If its not too expensive I would give it a shot. I was never really a fan of cleaning - how dirty could it really get being post air filter.


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Ok, noob just joining your forum. I had a 325i and upgraded to a 2011 535i Xdrive Saphire Black with tan interior. Love this car...except... it stalls out when putting the throttle to it when I first start driving it. Seems that its only when its cold. I will start going down the road and i feel a pretty substantial jolt and then i get a "Drive-train" warning on the display and no RPMs. i coast to a stop and then turn the car off and then it starts right up and off i go. It won't do it again after it gets warm. Next morning, same thing. I've put new coils and plugs in it, (except #6, i can't get to it. ) Seems not to make a difference. It doesn't drive better or worse. I can get it so it doesn't do it by being real super light on the throttle...only increasing speed ever so slightly. So, now I can almost 'make ' it happen by giving it some more gas. I've read here and other posts about issues with the V8s but this is a straight 6. 3.0 twin turbo. I've also read in some posts about a stalling issue but they seemed to be during regular driving, not first thing when its cold. I hope this isn't something major. Just picked this car up. Any ideas would be appreciated.
When I had my 2011 E90, the car would stall and I had to replace crankshaft sensor. I can***8217;t recall if I got the drivetrain malfunction. On my f10, I got the drivetrain malfunction and would lose power. I brought it into dealer and I believe it was fixed under the vanos recall.
 

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Vanos Recall??? I entered my VIN on the BMWUSA Site and get "No Open Recalls" Is the Vanos recall something that the dealer should know about? How do I know if its been completed on my 535?
I did order the MAF and await arrival. I noticed that sometimes when I fire it up on a cold morning the engine will rhythmically rev and lose power, rev and lose power cycling back and forth. I think i had the same issue on the 325 before i replaced the MAF.
 

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Vanos Recall??? I entered my VIN on the BMWUSA Site and get "No Open Recalls" Is the Vanos recall something that the dealer should know about? How do I know if its been completed on my 535?
I did order the MAF and await arrival. I noticed that sometimes when I fire it up on a cold morning the engine will rhythmically rev and lose power, rev and lose power cycling back and forth. I think i had the same issue on the 325 before i replaced the MAF.
If its not on the site then you are most likely not under recall.
 

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Vanos Recall??? I entered my VIN on the BMWUSA Site and get "No Open Recalls" Is the Vanos recall something that the dealer should know about? How do I know if its been completed on my 535? ...
IIRC it was only for a certain production run. Something like early to mid 2011's (again, IIRC).
 

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GEEEZ! Doing some quick research on the VANOS recall i see that : "In addition, owners of approximately 170,172 2010-'12 BMW vehicles equipped with inline six-cylinder engines not covered by the recall will receive an extended warranty to address this condition." So wouldn't that cover my F10 2011 535I???? The symptoms sound almost exactly like what i described. I think i will be reaching out to the dealer to see if this is still covered under warranty.
DEFINITELY contact your dealer! Hopefully there isn't a time or mileage restriction.
 

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Ok, noob just joining your forum. I had a 325i and upgraded to a 2011 535i Xdrive Saphire Black with tan interior. Love this car...except... it stalls out when putting the throttle to it when I first start driving it. Seems that its only when its cold. I will start going down the road and i feel a pretty substantial jolt and then i get a "Drive-train" warning on the display and no RPMs. i coast to a stop and then turn the car off and then it starts right up and off i go. It won't do it again after it gets warm. Next morning, same thing. I've put new coils and plugs in it, (except #6, i can't get to it. ) Seems not to make a difference. It doesn't drive better or worse. I can get it so it doesn't do it by being real super light on the throttle...only increasing speed ever so slightly. So, now I can almost 'make ' it happen by giving it some more gas. I've read here and other posts about issues with the V8s but this is a straight 6. 3.0 twin turbo. I've also read in some posts about a stalling issue but they seemed to be during regular driving, not first thing when its cold. I hope this isn't something major. Just picked this car up. Any ideas would be appreciated.
I had a very similar issue on my 2015 535i. Typically happens on cold start, throw it into reverse, step on the gas, stalls. I took it to the dealer and they updated my transmission software. Since then no more stalling.
 

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Vapormike, thanks for that good info. Something to keep in mind if i ever reach out to the dealer. I just hate paying $$$$ for something i can try and fix myself.. I did get the MAF sensor and installed it and nothing has changed. I say nothing, but it did stop the revving when i first start it. Seems to be much smoother as far as RPMs are concerned. Also coincidentally i had someone stop that was interested in buying my 325i at the same time i was installing the MAF. He asked what i was working on and so i told him the whole story. He immediately said "VANOS". Pull the solenoids and clean them and see if it helps. He said he had a similar issue with a 5 series and found that the oil did not look like had been changed in a long time and that the filter was deformed. Changed oil and new filter and cleaning the solenoids fixed his issue. I may change the oil and clean the solenoids just to see if it makes any difference at all. If not, then I think its either the VANOS recall (shearing the bolts) or transmission related. Thanks for all the good info!!
 

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So watching a few videos on removing and cleaning the Vanos Solenoids, i figured i'd give it a try. I removed the top solenoid (I believe that is the Exhaust solenoid) and cleaned and re-installed and due to the time, i didn't do the lower one. I drove it down to to get some fuel and the acceleration was noticeably better. No more bllaaahhh. But while i was cruising at about 55, the warning tone went off and the "Drivetrain" warning popped up on the screen. I looked and had not RPMs. I pulled over and had to shut it totally off to get it restarted. These symptoms are different than before. Before it was always when accelerating. Never when cruising or letting off the gas. I don't know if there is a correlation, but i think i'm going to assume there is. I think i'll try ordering the replacement solenoids and see if this fixes the issue. I see a lot of posts where people have cleaned them and then the symptoms return, so i'm going with new ones. I will give this a try before reaching out to the dealer.
 

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So watching a few videos on removing and cleaning the Vanos Solenoids, i figured i'd give it a try. I removed the top solenoid (I believe that is the Exhaust solenoid) and cleaned and re-installed and due to the time, i didn't do the lower one. I drove it down to to get some fuel and the acceleration was noticeably better. No more bllaaahhh. But while i was cruising at about 55, the warning tone went off and the "Drivetrain" warning popped up on the screen. I looked and had not RPMs. I pulled over and had to shut it totally off to get it restarted. These symptoms are different than before. Before it was always when accelerating. Never when cruising or letting off the gas. I don't know if there is a correlation, but i think i'm going to assume there is. I think i'll try ordering the replacement solenoids and see if this fixes the issue. I see a lot of posts where people have cleaned them and then the symptoms return, so i'm going with new ones. I will give this a try before reaching out to the dealer.
Yeah the solenoids being sticky are a common issue for the N52, N54 and N55 and cleaning them does help. That happened to me in my e92 #335i and tends to make the engine idle higher.

Good luck resolving your issue!
 

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I have a ***8216;13 528iX that stalls only while driving. Like you I try to keep rpms and speed low as possible but it***8217;ll stall without notice. No hesitation no hiccups. Because there***8217;s no engine light or codes to speak of local Auto Shop couldn***8217;t get a read on the vehicle with multiple scan tools. Dealership wants to have a go at it tomorrow. Fingers crossed
 
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