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I've seen on another forum or two that kwik fit have issues when it comes to aligning these cars, ATS seems work well but that's the larger Euromaster centres, not sure about the smaller ones.
Beleive it or not I had mine done at a toyota dealership and they had no problems :rofl:.
 

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In regards to the car running very lumpy it actually ran really well and i did a 230 mile round trip to the Cotswolds with no issues. I got a mate of mine that works on /restores classic BMW's to have a listen today and his opinion is that it is not running on all cylinders and could be a plug, coil pack or injector, this will also cause the gearbox to clatter (the clatter goes away when you press in the clutch). As for the active steering that is not really his thing so doesn't know anything about that.

Now onto the saga of the active steering. I took it back to cowboys that did the alignment, what a mess!! They use the Hunter alignment machine if anyone is familiar with that.

I got them to realign with the engine on and the wheel tied down. I reset the error codes and did the turning the wheel three times and still no luck.

Attached are the alignment readings.

Firstly note that they set it originally as a non active steering car. The image titled 'After original alignment' is what they gave me after the alignment, they said that you couldn't adjust rear camber on an e63.

The image titled 'Actual after orig alignment' are the readings after they put the car back on the machine today with the engine on, as you can see the readings are all over the place.

The image titled 'Latest alignment' shows the readings as they are now. I would have thought steer ahead should be 0 degrees but apparently it's within tolerance.

I did note that on the first round ACC was adjusted on the second round ACC wasn't adjusted, not sure if that is significant.

Kwik Fit say the next thing to do would be to visit their 'Master Mechanic' in Chelmsford, i'm not convinced.
 

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I've seen on another forum or two that kwik fit have issues when it comes to aligning these cars, ATS seems work well but that's the larger Euromaster centres, not sure about the smaller ones.
Beleive it or not I had mine done at a toyota dealership and they had no problems :rofl:.
I may have to bite the bullet, and take it somewhere else and take a hit on the £96 that Kwik Fit charged me. That irks me so badly though!!!

I take it BMW themselves do alignment, is it worth just going to them and getting on with my life?
 

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FYI this is the procedure. I don't think INPA will do this, but possible. You will have what you need shortly, & we will sort this out. If you had a misfire, you would be getting some type of fault. This could be seen with an OBD2 meter very easily.

The service function Commissioning/Adjusting active steering must be run during or after the following work:

axle alignment/wheel alignment (see Note)

work on the steering column

after replacing or programming the active steering control unit (AL)

after replacing or programming the steering column switch (SZL): only E60/E61/63/64

after replacing the steering column switching centre (SZL): only E90/91

Note:

Adjustment of the active front steering must be carried out:
Before adjustment work on the front axle/steering
after all mechanical work on the steering system
after the battery has been disconnected or electrical plug connections on the steering column switch cluster have been disconnected
after replacement/programming or coding of the following components:
Steering column switch cluster
DSC control unit
Active front steering control unit
ARS control unit

Connect vehicle to BMW diagnosis system.
Select and carry out initial operation/adjustment for active front steering under Service functions.


Note:
Only perform axle alignment/wheel alignment if:

- The diagnosis of the active steering leads to no defect (fault entry) and there is a deviation in the position of the steering wheel

- The guided troubleshooting on fault entry 'active steering' concludes with the with defect 'Wheel alignment'

- Repair measures are carried out that make axle alignment/wheel alignment necessary (see corresponding repair instructions)



replacing or programming the Dynamic Stability Control (DSC)

after replacing the steering gear

The sequence for Commissioning/Adjustment in the service function is as follows:

- Default setting of the cumulative steering angle sensor exactly to zero for any axle alignment/wheel alignment. Choice of calling up (see Note)

- Reset the engine location angle (AL)

- Run a steering-angle sensor adjustment (E60/61/63/64: SZL, E90/91: DSC)

- Clear SZL fault code memory: only E60/61/63/64

- Clear DSC fault code memory

- Calibrate the engine location angle (AL)

- If ARS is included as an option, clear the value for steering angle (ARS): only E60/61/63/64

- Clear AL fault code memory

- Calibrate total steering angle offset (AL): only E60/61/63/64 from 09/2005 and E90/91 after replacement of the steering gear
 

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32 00 Wheel Alignment E63 / E64 Series
Observe test conditions!
Front axle:
Total toe 0° 10' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 10' ± 4'
Toe difference** single wheel between left/ right max. 12'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 30') - 12' ± 30'
Adjustment* camber - 12' ± 25'
Toe angle difference (difference between left/right max. 30')
- with 20° lock on inside wheel - 1° 54' ± 30'
Caster (difference between left/right max. 30')
Front wheel displacement 0° ± 15'
Maximum wheel lock
- Inside wheel 41° 14'
- Outside wheel 32° 11'
Rear axle:
Total toe 0° 18' ± 12'
Adjustment* total toe 0° 18' ± 4'
Camber (difference between left/right max. 15') -2° ± 25'
Adjustment* camber -2° ± 05'
Geometrical axis deviation 0° ± 12'
*Note: To minimize adjusting errors (measuring inaccuracies), use a narrower tolerance for adjustment.
**Note: Toe difference front axle = criterion for steering wheel inclination
 

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We have some progress, due to a 500 mile round trip next weekend to the Lake District I got my mate that restores the classic BMW's to have a tinker, it turns out the rough engine and clanking from the back of the block was a coil, cylinder 5 wasn't running. Part and labour £133 which i didn't think was bad.

He reset the steering angle of the active steering using his Snap-on ECU reader, and we still had the error.

He then tried to communicate with the Active Steering module with the device and couldn't communicate.

I left the car with him and he took the car to another specialist, they couldn't communicate either, they reckon the module has blown, they're going to have another look in the week. I wasn't booked in and they were busy.
 

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The disc part ( optical reader) on the steering assembly might be dirty, & need to be removed to be cleaned? The module for the steering assembly probably has a fault that needs to be removed, directly in that module. Since it is a safety module, it probably want clear with the normal routine. Glad you found a bad COP, at least that wasn't a expensive repair.
 

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I still have my steering fault.

The current thinking by the mechanics is that the Active Steering Module which i believe lives under the passenger seat may have blown as they cannot communicate with it. Does this sound a plausable explanation? I don't really want to dish out on a replacement module as they seem to be $$$ when it's just a theory.
 

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Do you have ISTA, or have access to someone with it? ISTA will provide you with the fault explanation, & the path to clear the fault. Since this is a safety related fault, it probably will have to be deleted directly in that module. The trip to BMW might be best for the alignment & diagnostics if you don't. It is hard to say if it is the module or not, without seeing what is going on.
 

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I'll have another go at installing ISTA P this weekend. I'll try and get it from another source, the download i got was 360GB and when i went through the instructions there wasn't the registry change file that you need run at the beginning of the install process so i kinda got stuck.

Failing that i've found a specialist i may take it to.
 
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