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I'm ready to purchase my 5th consecutive Bimmer and becoming a little discouraged with some of their recent changes. One of these issues is BMW charging a subscription fee for Apple CarPlay.

It's absurd to charge a subscription fee for a service that's performed between your iPhone and software on your car using Bluetooth technology. There are no third-party resources, servers or people involved to be compensated for performing a service or providing a product.

It's no different than BMW trying to charge you a fee for playing your music residing on your iPhone using your cars speakers or uploading your Contacts residing on your iPhone to iDrive using Bluetooth.

A subscription fee would be appropriate for things like Sirius or Assist where a third party is actually providing a service or a product but CarPlay involves neither.

BMW charging a subscription fee for CarPlay is wrong, probably illegal and IMO worthy of a class action lawsuit.

Obviously, most of us are not that concerned about the cost, but I am concerned with the unfair principle and doing business with them.
 

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I'm ready to purchase my 5th consecutive Bimmer and becoming a little discouraged with some of their recent changes. One of these issues is BMW charging a subscription fee for Apple CarPlay.

It's absurd to charge a subscription fee for a service that's performed between your iPhone and software on your car using Bluetooth technology. There are no third-party resources, servers or people involved to be compensated for performing a service or providing a product.

It's no different than BMW trying to charge you a fee for playing your music residing on your iPhone using your cars speakers or uploading your Contacts residing on your iPhone to iDrive using Bluetooth.

A subscription fee would be appropriate for things like Sirius or Assist where a third party is actually providing a service or a product but CarPlay involves neither.

BMW charging a subscription fee for CarPlay is wrong, probably illegal and IMO worthy of a class action lawsuit.

Obviously, most of us are not that concerned about the cost, but I am concerned with the unfair principle and doing business with them.
It's not illegal and you haven't been damaged so there's no basis for a lawsuit. It is definitely a jerk money grab on BMW's part, though.
 

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Though I dislike BMW for charging an annual fee when the rest of the car market isn't doing so, you have no way of knowing how BMW compensates Apple for the licensing rights.

It's absurd to charge a subscription fee for a service that's performed between your iPhone and software on your car using Bluetooth technology. There are no third-party resources, servers or people involved to be compensated for performing a service or providing a product.
 

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The worst part is most people will likely just pay the subscription fee and reward BMW's behavior. I just wonder when the Active Cruise Control and other driving aids will be subscription based (I've already done the survey). Every survey BMW sends me I tell them that the quickest way to put me in an Audi is to keep up with this subscription nonsense.

Unfortunately all I can do is vote with my wallet and post scathing comments on Facebook with lots of angry face emoticons :mad: I just hope I don't really really love Apple CarPlay when my new ride arrives.
 

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No, the problem is that people just buy BMWs based on the fancy electronics and couldn't care less about chassis design, vehicle character and engineering. Accordingly, BMWs have become LCD cars with a primary focus on market appeal, much like Cadillacs and Pontiacs of the 1970s. So if you want to sweat the CarPlay issue, just remember that you're furthering the direction that BMW has already taken in car design.



The worst part is most people will likely just pay the subscription fee and reward BMW's behavior. I just wonder when the Active Cruise Control and other driving aids will be subscription based (I've already done the survey). Every survey BMW sends me I tell them that the quickest way to put me in an Audi is to keep up with this subscription nonsense.

Unfortunately all I can do is vote with my wallet and post scathing comments on Facebook with lots of angry face emoticons :mad: I just hope I don't really really love Apple CarPlay when my new ride arrives.
 

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Step back and think about the development involved for BMW to add this to they car, and not to mention how STINGY that Apple is with their products, only allowing certain apps to run on certain cars, and yes its true what runs on a Chevy might not be the same apps that run on a BMW, also consider the cost for the development for BMW, then consider the licensing that APPLE charges for each car its added to and its not just a one time fee for CarPlay in your car, its a subscription based service, go talk to a Genius that knows all about the details it might change your mind about paying for Apple Carplay and just using BMW's bluetooth technology which is included with the car at no additional charge (that i know of) that works 10x better considering the bugs still in the carplay system and apple could care less about fixing that crap. Oh yeah im an Apple guy too and this ticks me off more then anything how apple takes open source software, locks it down then essentially sells it on their phones, they hide the cost in the phones, phones don't cost that much to make them, espcially when we pay over $1000 for a phone to do all the neat things we want then they limit what apps we can install on it and what cars we can use it with.


Any fyi it is not BMW's behavior causing this, it is Apple causing this behavior, remember crap flows downhill..


You guys spend anywhere in the range of 50k - 1250k for a car and wanna complain about a $300 addon??? Lets compain about something worthwhile like the gas prices in this country, quick complaining about such a small fee, how about removing the adaptive cruise package which is what $1700 and add carplay for $300


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No, the problem is that people just buy BMWs based on the fancy electronics and couldn't care less about chassis design, vehicle character and engineering. Accordingly, BMWs have become LCD cars with a primary focus on market appeal, much like Cadillacs and Pontiacs of the 1970s. So if you want to sweat the CarPlay issue, just remember that you're furthering the direction that BMW has already taken in car design.
BMW damaged the brand with this sort of thinking and have done a much better job with chassis design resulting in much improved driving dynamics in the last few years. The positive reviews of the G20 attest to this. But fancy electronics are in demand throughout the entire market. I do agree that paying a fee for Apple Car Play is heinous and a huge obvious money grab. It’s free on my $28k GTI and on dozens of lesser vehicles.
 

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Any fyi it is not BMW's behavior causing this, it is Apple causing this behavior, remember crap flows downhill..
Both Apple and BMW are culpable here. I presume Google is as well, but with BMW being the last holdout for Android Auto support among major global automotive OEMs, I'd place the blame mostly on BMW.
 

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So, OT a bit here, but I think VW has done a splendid job keeping close to their roots. I know you have a GTI Mark VII and the car's stayed very close to its original design. I'm actually curious about the new Jetta GLI as it's supposed to match the GTI for performance and handling, and it also offers a MT.

BMW damaged the brand with this sort of thinking and have done a much better job with chassis design resulting in much improved driving dynamics in the last few years. The positive reviews of the G20 attest to this. But fancy electronics are in demand throughout the entire market. I do agree that paying a fee for Apple Car Play is heinous and a huge obvious money grab. It’s free on my $28k GTI and on dozens of lesser vehicles.
 

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I just wonder when the Active Cruise Control and other driving aids will be subscription based (I've already done the survey).
I hope yesterday, that just might get me back in BMW because it would give me a choice to not have them. I am actually being serious.

I can understand ABS and I can understand ESC (stability control) and I also am OK with ABS that cannot be turned off while ESC can if user choses to do so. I am utterly unimpressed with Active Cruise Control, lane keeping and emergency braking. Frankly, I consider them dangerous.

Back to topic, it is certainly an inelegant move by BMW although perfectly legal, I'm afraid.
 

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So, OT a bit here, but I think VW has done a splendid job keeping close to their roots. I know you have a GTI Mark VII and the car's stayed very close to its original design. I'm actually curious about the new Jetta GLI as it's supposed to match the GTI for performance and handling, and it also offers a MT.
Wife and I are a GTI family. Mine = '17 Autobahn, DSG. Hers = '18 Mk 7.5 mit actual manual transmission und 3 pedals. Mine's faster and makes me look like a better driver. Her's is more fun to drive. Plus has bitching LED's all the way around and a bigger infotainment screen. Both have CarPlay and AndroidAuto included with nice responsive touch screens. AND NO BS ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTION! If BMWNA listens carefully they can hear me heading for my local Audi dealer and waiting for the 2020 S4 facelift unless the M340i is really worth the money!
 

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I'm actually curious about the new Jetta GLI as it's supposed to match the GTI for performance and handling, and it also offers a MT.
The new MQB platform Jetta GLI promises to be an excellent alternative to G20. At $30,890 for the Autobahn DSG version, its price is at least $15,000 less than a comparably equipped G20 330i and a couple grand or so less than a comparably equipped GTI.

Even better, Jetta GLI offers both Apple Carplay and Android Auto support standard (with no subscription required for either). And availability of manual transmission version of the new GLI you mentioned is a nice bonus ($800 less than DSG equipped Jetta GLI) . :thumbup:



 

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Only challenge is getting past the godawful front grille.
The new MQB platform Jetta GLI promises to be an excellent alternative to G20. At $30,890 for the Autobahn DSG version, its price is at least $15,000 less than a comparably equipped G20 330i and a couple grand or so less than a comparably equipped GTI.

Even better, Jetta GLI offers both Apple Carplay and Android Auto support standard (with no subscription required for either). And availability of manual transmission version of the new GLI you mentioned is a nice bonus ($800 less than DSG equipped Jetta GLI) . :thumbup:



 

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The worst part is most people will likely just pay the subscription fee and reward BMW's behavior. I just wonder when the Active Cruise Control and other driving aids will be subscription based (I've already done the survey). Every survey BMW sends me I tell them that the quickest way to put me in an Audi is to keep up with this subscription nonsense.

Unfortunately all I can do is vote with my wallet and post scathing comments on Facebook with lots of angry face emoticons :mad: I just hope I don't really really love Apple CarPlay when my new ride arrives.
Or bail. Just one of the many things that moved me to a Volvo S60. That, cost, handling, comfort.

But still coming around here because the Volvo boards are boring and there's no porn on tumblr any more.
 

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Step back and think about the development involved for BMW to add this to they car, and not to mention how STINGY that Apple is with their products, only allowing certain apps to run on certain cars, and yes its true what runs on a Chevy might not be the same apps that run on a BMW, also consider the cost for the development for BMW, then consider the licensing that APPLE charges for each car its added to and its not just a one time fee for CarPlay in your car, its a subscription based service, go talk to a Genius that knows all about the details it might change your mind about paying for Apple Carplay and just using BMW's bluetooth technology which is included with the car at no additional charge (that i know of) that works 10x better considering the bugs still in the carplay system and apple could care less about fixing that crap. Oh yeah im an Apple guy too and this ticks me off more then anything how apple takes open source software, locks it down then essentially sells it on their phones, they hide the cost in the phones, phones don't cost that much to make them, espcially when we pay over $1000 for a phone to do all the neat things we want then they limit what apps we can install on it and what cars we can use it with.


Any fyi it is not BMW's behavior causing this, it is Apple causing this behavior, remember crap flows downhill..


You guys spend anywhere in the range of 50k - 1250k for a car and wanna complain about a $300 addon??? Lets compain about something worthwhile like the gas prices in this country, quick complaining about such a small fee, how about removing the adaptive cruise package which is what $1700 and add carplay for $300


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Every rental car I have rented over the last year (and that's about 50+) has had Car Play. Ford. Chevy. Toyota.

No way I am shelling out for inferior add-on GPS in a rental = no way I am shelling out an extra dime for car play in a supposed luxury vehicle.

Sort of like charging for soda refils or tap water in a restaurant.
 

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Free CarPlay which now includes WAZE. Don't see it as any big deal; never got it in any BMW. Did not think it was worth it. My phone is plugged into the USB wire & does everything I need done in the BMW + it stays charged. If I don't plug it in Bluetooth works great in both cars.
 

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Free CarPlay which now includes WAZE. Don't see it as any big deal; never got it in any BMW. Did not think it was worth it. My phone is plugged into the USB wire & does everything I need done in the BMW + it stays charged. If I don't plug it in Bluetooth works great in both cars.
To me, CarPlay is worthwhile for the ability to project navigation onto the car screen alone. I travel professionally and rent cars almost weekly. I have begun to choose vehicles based on whether or not they have CarPlay because I appreciate a familiar, easy navigation experience in my rental cars that has integration with my calendar, so I can tap destination addresses and such.

Also, the ability to handle a text conversation using only voice seems to be much amplified with CarPlay. The text alerts appear on the projection screen, I can tap them to take action, and I never have to look at or pick up the phone itself.

One thing I should mention. In the Tahoe I have now, CarPlay is far better integrated with the rest of the MMI than I recall the direct cable connection (pre-CarPlay) or Bluetooth was in my last BMW, which was a 2013 F10. The Tahoe will project the phone alerts onto the screen and will channel the sound alerts regardless of which input I happen to be using.

In the F10, if I wanted to hear or interact with the phone at all I had to have the MMI tuned to that input. If I were, for example, listening to the radio, all sound notification coming off of the phone was inaudible and I missed a lot of things.
 
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