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Arghh!! Very bad alignment experience today...

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Like some others on the board who have had the steering retro done, there seemed to be too much on-center play in my steering. I thought this might have been due to a toe problem (or a rack problem). Given that I'm busy during the week, and don't really trust the dealer svc departments I've dealt with, and the fact that local dealers charge $100-$150 for an alignment, I decided to try and find a good independent alignment shop in my area and have them check the alignment and the steering rack installation. This is something that seems quite easy in other parts of the country, but here in lower NY its a bit hard. All of the independent garages tend to reek of sleaziness and incompetence.

So, I called my local BMWCCA tech advisor who recommended a shop. When I arrived, my first impression was that it it seemed a little "old school" to be working on a new BMW. Having seen pictures of the places that others have take their BMWs, this was more like "Cooter's garage". But, I went ahead-- due to my frustration. I was thinking to myself "how hard can an alignment be-- people have been doing this for years". They used an old Hunter 111 machine (the newest is the 811), and told me to sit in the car holding the wheel straight while they aligned it! Atleast it had the specs for a 2001 e46 sport model programmed into it, and they attached wheel sensors on all 4 wheels but I was having major doubts/worries. It was a little late to turn back and I was crossing my fingers that this would all work out (yeah, right).

They reset the toe which they said had been way off (that worried me because the car didn't feeel way off-- I was thinking the machine may have been out of calibration or just carelessly set up). I paid ($70), and drove the car (again, a bonehead move-- should've insisted on a test drive first). At first it seemed fine, but after some time on the highway, I realized that the car drifted to the right pretty badly (even on flat roads). So, I took it back to the shop and let the guy drive it (of course, he got grease stains on my interior), and he finally admitted that he noticed it. So, he tellls me to take the car back on Monday because he's closing up for the day! I protested but he said "I usually leave at 3 on Saturdays and its already 4 (he's the shop owner btw). At this point, I just didn't feel like fighting and I was having second thoughts about even letting him touch the car again. I guess I'll have to bite the bullet, and take it to the dealer and pay $100. I'm so aggravated over this whole situation--- I feel like I should never have messed w/ the steering in the first place! I also confirmed that there really are no reputable/comeptent independent mechanics in my area if this is the best the BMWCCA can recommend. I guess the preponderance of leased cars has meant that most people just use dealer svc departments now.

Sorry for the long story, I just felt like I needed to vent a little to people who might be sympathetic. Yeah, I admit i'm an idiot for not just taking it back to the dealer.:mad: and for not following my intuition about my first impressions of the garage. I guess this experience pales in comparison to the HACK's recent experience w/ a bodyshop in his area though. This whole steering thing is so frustrating! I feel like it would be so easy to resolve, if I could just find a good reputable dealer w/ a good mechanic.

FWIW, this mechanic I went to seemed pretty impressed w/ the way the car was put together, and the materials used (chassis wise). I guess that should've been a warning unto itself because it meant he probably hadn't seen many recent BMWs. The guy who was sweeping the shop floors (an older guy), told me his daughter just got a 2002 325xi to replave a 99 323i--I should've ask him if she was going to have it serviced at her dad's garage.

I wish there was a way to rent out a BMW svc department bay for a few hours on a weekend so that I could do my own repairs/alignments w/ ease. There's no way that'll ever happen though...
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Aye!!! So this is your posting! I replied to the other one under 3-series forum.

Sorry to hear about the bad experience. :( The hardest part is to find a good shop. I was very lucky to find a shop in the vicinity of my residence. The mechanics and techs there are dedicated to their jobs too. Most of the techs there have been awarded ASE awards and letters of recommendations. I have since installed my Eisenmann and aligned my wheels there. Also, brought a friend's WRX to have his cat-back installed yesterday. And yes, they do wash their hands before driving my car out and into the service bay area. And no, I don't have to sit in the car to hold the steering straight.

Back to looking for a good shop. I don't think there is a set of guidelines really. If your first impression and instincts are unpleasant, then the service there probably will be. Some shops might do a good job, but end up charging you more cos you're a "BMW" driver.

Anyway, don't worry too much for now. If you are that confident of working on your own, I'd go for it. Otherwise, there is always the dealer to fall back on. :) At least you know where the problem lies in...damn, I still can't find that clunk on my passenger's lower end! :cry:
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Yep-- I've definitely got to learn to trust my instincts more. I think I jsut let my frustration and impatience w/ the steering get the better of me-- I just wanted the whole thing taken car of today.

Vince -- that shop you have in your neighborhood sounds amazing. I guess since southern california has such a "car culture" there's more good shops out there. Strangely, lower NY state has some of the worst quality services/restaurants/supermarkets of anywhere I've been in the country. The same holds true of NYC with the exception of restaurants (unless you pay an exorbinant amount). I did read you story on teh exhaust installation and was also very impressed w/ the attention to detail displayed by that shop. Maybe i'll have to take a cross-country trip, go to this shop and get infected by the Alpina bug! :D
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robg: Sorry to hear you are having a hard time finding a decent place. I live in Southern California, and although there are some good shops around, you still have to ask the right people to find the good ones. There is an alignment shop here that is fantastic - Glenn's in Costa Mesa (anyone else been there?). But I went to two or three other places with my alignment problem before I found them. One of the places even damaged my car (a deeply scratched aluminum wheel and a dented fender). After a long fight they ended up getting away with it. :(

Whatever the case, be glad that your car wasn't damaged. Though it sucks to lose $70, it could have been a much more expensive lesson!

Good luck...

--SONET
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robg said:
I wish there was a way to rent out a BMW svc department bay for a few hours on a weekend so that I could do my own repairs/alignments w/ ease. There's no way that'll ever happen though...
Some people are moer fortunate than others, I guess ;)

Anyways, I too took the risk of taking my E46 to one of the "highly recommended" shops in the area and was worried with what I noticed. First off, the guy couldn't unlock the car via the remote (I guess he couldn't figure out the buttons or something) so he had to use the key hole. Next, when he went to get the mileage off the car, he wrote down the mileage from the service indicator and not the true mileage. I didn't catch it at first since the numbers were so close, but I caught it after and got a good laugh. I used to take my E21 to this place way back in the day, but I hadn't had a new BMW in a while so I didn't have to worry about the shop being dumbfounded by the car.

Needless to say, I brought it there to have my snow tires mounted a few months after I bought it, and they managed to screw up that too. All of the wheels had very minute scuff marks, which I could live with, but one had a big scratch on it. :mad: That's what I got for being cheap and going to a local shop versus the trusty dealer to save $20. I never did go back, and that experience gave me a new appreciation for the dealer. Sure they may be a little more expensive, but if I was paying the local shop to work on a big problem on my car, it would take twice as long because they wouldn't figure out how to work on anything! Not to mention, I get loaner cars and a pick up and delivery service from the dealer instead of having to find a ride or sit around and wait.

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I forgot to mention the rims they scratched were my original "V-spoke" wheels, which is why I wasn't that mad. They were only going to be my winter wheels and they'd see worse abuse, like going weeks without a bath, I figured. Now if it were my type 44s that they scratched (they would have destroyed those wheels) I would have hurt someone.
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Rob, didn't you get my second PM ? ?

I gave you some great advice :lmao: :lmao:

Sorry this happened but being from New York as well I could see the writing on the wall.

Even when I would bring my car to my ex-best friends (no longer friends) place who happens to own one of THE biggest and best shop in Long Island, they couldn't even balance my tires correctly the first time :dunno: :dunno:

And if you saw his place you would be very impressed . . . it might have all the hi-tech equipment but the people that operate it just don't care :dunno:

Go try another dealer, I would try Rallye or Haberstad, they both are excellent Dealers.
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Alan-

I did follow your advice. I took it to another dealer in Greenwich Connecticut but they wanted $150 to align the car. Now, in retrospect I should've just forked over the money. But that sounde like an awful lot of money for an alignment. So I called the BMWCCA tech advisor at Euromeccanica who recommnded a shop in Westchester-- that's where the bad alignment occurred. I think you might be right about the dead spot being normal-- I may be oversensitive to my steering ever since the whole retrofit thing. Although, I drove a friends VW beetle today and was happier w/ his steering than mine (nicely weighted, good on center feeling, decent road feel-- that's all I want). My main problem is that I don't have a lot of time during the week to go to dealers-- so I like to get things done on the weekends- when no dealer operates. So, that also tempts me into the independent shop route--but as DrBimmer said, I've gained a new appreciation for dealers and their outrageous prices. Atleast they know the car. Why is it that no dealer ever has Saturday hours? I guess it wouldn't even matter- if they did it would be so crowded that it would be impossible to even go. Oh well.

SONET- I agree in the scheme of things it was a cheap lesson to learn.
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robg said:
Why is it that no dealer ever has Saturday hours? I guess it wouldn't even matter- if they did it would be so crowded that it would be impossible to even go. Oh well.
I am sorry it didn't work out for you. I don't know if you know this but Rallye Motors does service at night. You leave your car with them in the evening and you pick it up the following morning. Maybe this would work better for your schedule.
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Alan--

Interesting. I'm in westchester though- isn't Rallye on Long Island? Do they do weekend service?
They are on Long Island in Roslyn and they aren't open on weekends . . . sorry :bawling: :bawling:
Sorry this happened but being from New York as well I could see the writing on the wall.
Why do you think this is? I've lived here my whole life, but I've always been amazed that one of the most wealthy, diverse areas of the world has such poor services. Things that people take for granted in other parts of the country (like finding a good mechanic), are nearly impossible here. Maybe I should move to Ohio. :)
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robg said:


Why do you think this is?
I've never found a shop that really cares about my car :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

If you find one, let me know because I would love to bring my car there . . .
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My dealer is open on Saturdays now, which is a big plus.
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