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Many posts indicate BMW did not go far enough and there is no place for the 1M. I think BMW is trying to walk a fine line by providing enthusiasts a real M option in the 1 series and not really stepping on the toes of those loyal enthusiasts that have bought and will buy the M3. They have comprehensively updated the chassis, meaningful drivetrain changes, done a decent job of creating a specific look on the exterior without going too far in the boy racer look, and have tasteful tweaks inside the cabin.

I went ahead and put in a deposit because I love small cars and the three series has grown larger than I would like (and my kids are now off at college). I am looking forward to the upgraded suspension, the short throw shift, M3 brakes, nice wheels, and every time I climb in experiencing the alcantara details and orange stitching as a reminder of what it is.

Sure I could have chipped a 135i ($2200 admittedly more power), upgraded the wheels ($5000), brakes ($7000), suspension ($2300), etc but even with comprehensive changes it would not equal the balanced and integrated package of the 1M. Also it would be a hot rodded model and not a limited production model.

I am hoping a few small conveniences like mirror garage door remotes and fold down rear seats carry over from the 135i. I am afraid the later may be omitted and that will be a real pain when I want to take my bike or anything large for that matter. Please post if you have info on this.

There is a place for the 1M, my garage. Thanks, George
 

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I still don't think it is a "real" M with that engine and I think history will not look back kindly on the dorky 1M. I predict after the first wave of buyers pay a premium to own one, the rest will languish on dealer lots with big incentives. Anyone remember the Z4M? My Z4MC sat for more than 2 years after it was delivered before it sold. Can you say discount?

Has anyone read up on the Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca? If you want to buy something truly special in that same price range, that would be a better choice. I would love to take a Boss 320 LS to my next DE event.
 

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I've seen 1M at Geneva auto show and it had folding seats.
I think it had pass-through in place of ski bag as well.

I put deposit as well - 1M is the only new BMW model I would buy.
Thanks for the Geneva sighting with the folding seats. Sounds trivial but it comes in very handy.

I agree that some of the slots that mhrir objects to are a bit much and I'd prefer a cleaner look. I ordered white in hopes that it might not be too flamboyant (also does not show dirt and scratches too badly). With the relatively small number coming in I think they will sell very well and I doubt we will see be discounts soon. I am ok paying sticker on this one, but the $500 over invoice on the 135i was pretty attractive.

I just read the Car & Driver comparison and it reinforces the decision nicely. Now the long wait till July. Cheers, GJ
 

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I am pretty sure you can also chip 1M to make a whole lot more power. Just wait a few more months till after market guys get examples of 1M.
 

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I still don't think it is a "real" M with that engine and I think history will not look back kindly on the dorky 1M. I predict after the first wave of buyers pay a premium to own one, the rest will languish on dealer lots with big incentives. Anyone remember the Z4M? My Z4MC sat for more than 2 years after it was delivered before it sold. Can you say discount?
There could be some truth to this; especially the first part. Have a hard time buying a non-M M car.

Not sure how much more boost the tuners will be able to get without making further changes. What are they getting out of the "is" 3 series models? It is the same engine which is why this really is not an M car...
 

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The last time I checked M car were not all about engines even though there is nothing wrong with the N54 twin turbo. It is a very strong performance engine. I think with appropriate mods the tuners are pushing close to 17 psi in N54's. The N54 in 1M is probably around 11-12 psi at most.

Not sure how much more boost the tuners will be able to get without making further changes. What are they getting out of the "is" 3 series models? It is the same engine which is why this really is not an M car...
 

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The last time I checked M car were not all about engines even though there is nothing wrong with the N54 twin turbo. It is a very strong performance engine.
I reluctantly accept that the times are changing and BMW has had to give up RPMs and go with forced induction for the M cars. But I disagree that M cars are not about engines. Consider the S62 M5, S65B40 M3, S85B50 M5/M6, and S54B32 M3/Z3M/Z4M. All to an engine were (and still are) very special techno wonders that are high-rpm screamers. The S54 at 8,000 rpm? Not a problem.

Only recently has there been the disturbing trend of M badged vehicles with engines shared with other non-M cars. I tried to look past it with the X5M/X6M but to piss away something that could have been truly special in the 1M is disappointing. There is no special engine for this car, just the leftovers from the 335is and Z4 35is.
 

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Many posts indicate BMW did not go far enough and there is no place for the 1M. I think BMW is trying to walk a fine line by providing enthusiasts a real M option in the 1 series and not really stepping on the toes of those loyal enthusiasts that have bought and will buy the M3. They have comprehensively updated the chassis, meaningful drivetrain changes, done a decent job of creating a specific look on the exterior without going too far in the boy racer look, and have tasteful tweaks inside the cabin.

I went ahead and put in a deposit because I love small cars and the three series has grown larger than I would like (and my kids are now off at college). I am looking forward to the upgraded suspension, the short throw shift, M3 brakes, nice wheels, and every time I climb in experiencing the alcantara details and orange stitching as a reminder of what it is.

Sure I could have chipped a 135i ($2200 admittedly more power), upgraded the wheels ($5000), brakes ($7000), suspension ($2300), etc but even with comprehensive changes it would not equal the balanced and integrated package of the 1M. Also it would be a hot rodded model and not a limited production model.

I am hoping a few small conveniences like mirror garage door remotes and fold down rear seats carry over from the 135i. I am afraid the later may be omitted and that will be a real pain when I want to take my bike or anything large for that matter. Please post if you have info on this.

There is a place for the 1M, my garage. Thanks, George
I am buying a 1M as well. I currently own an 07 335i which I do like, however it feels as big as the 5 series to me from two generations ago only heavier. I still have fond memories of my 1972 2002tii of which no current BMW offers to me. As soon as I read about the 1M I realized a few things.

1 This is a real Enthusiasts car that is small shares the same chassis as the M3 at the price of the 335i.

2 The 1M is ~400 lbs lighter than the current M3 with the same chassis which equals better agility overall.

3 Price - + M3 performance for $20K less money. You will never find a less expensive M car EVER again. The 1M is even less expensive than the E30 M3 in today's dollars.

4 To all out there who think this isn't a Real M car because it doesn't have it's own high rev engine??? Get real the current M3 is the LAST High Rev N/A engine that we will see in an M car. Turbo's make Big Torque, and Torque Rules always. The 1M will go down in BMW history as one of the all time limited edition Cult cars.

5 Of the 450 total cars for All the UK 300 have already been sold in just the first Month.

6 Of the ~800 cars allocated for the whole US most have been pre-ordered. You may find a few left if you look real hard.

7 For all who think they will sit on the dealer lots waiting for a discount just to sell, guess again. This car will be produced from March through December Only. Demand is already way past the current production schedule.

8 To the OP, unfortunately the auto Garage Door Opener won't be offered in the 1M, but the rear seats to fold. Per several of the first people who have received their cars here in the US.
I have links you can read about this if you would like.
 

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if you are looking for a serious enthusiast car why not just get a E46 M3 ZCP or a Z4MC...
those are real M cars....
i think M has deviated from its core values... and the only real Ms are the ones before the current/future models
 

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The last time I checked M car were not all about engines even though there is nothing wrong with the N54 twin turbo. It is a very strong performance engine. I think with appropriate mods the tuners are pushing close to 17 psi in N54's. The N54 in 1M is probably around 11-12 psi at most.
OK, so I will buy a 135, swap the suspension, put a limited slip diff, chip it, sell the rims/tires and buy the competition rims/tires, and put some M badges on the back... We good?
 

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Personally I couldn't care less what the self-proclaimed arbiters of M-ness (M-nositicators?) say about the 1M's value as a true M-car (the definition of which has always meant different things to different people). At the end of the day the 1M is one heck of a performance machine (faster around many tracks than the M3), it looks and sounds like a sexy beast, and would be a hoot to drive. If it were not so terribly impractical for my stage of life (2 year old), I would gladly drive one of these (in Valencia Orange no less) and have a huge smile on my face whilst doing so.

The only reason the Z4MC sat on the lot is because it was the butt-ugliest car BMW has ever built. Demand for the 1M has and will far outstrip supply.
 

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To be honest the M engines might have revved sky high in all those configurations. But that is not what made M cars special. What made M cars special was the overall driving dynamics. This driving dynamics that puts a smile on your face......this is what was lacking in its competitors and not how awesome the engine was.

Because to be honest M engines when compared to its MB counter parts were always anemic. The Corvette engine or Viper engine or AMG engines could whoop M engines in overall performance any given day. They might not be exotic engines but they were much quicker. Which is what the purpose of the engine is. At the track or quarter mile no body opens your hood after you lost and marvels at how exotic the engine is or how high it revs even though it is anemic enough to cause you a loss.

As far as 1M goes it is far more purer M car to me. That is because it does not weigh as much as some much purer M engine cars you mentioned. Bottom line is M cars were awesome not because of engine or transmission or handling or practicality. But rather giving a great blend of all the above factors in a grin inducing great package and this is what 1M does successfully after reading many different reviews.

The N54 is a great engine regardless of the fact that it is not created by M division. It provides solid performance with great fuel mileage which none of the engines you describe could ever do. It has far greater mod ability for a lot less $$$$$. Which means that 1M when properly modded will show all those true M engine cars tail lights without burning a hole in your pocket. 1M has the ability of being a great daily driver that gives decent a gas mileage.

If you just care for high revving engines then get a super sport class motorcycle and for $12K you will swear you had the best engine you could ever have with its near 11K redline.

I reluctantly accept that the times are changing and BMW has had to give up RPMs and go with forced induction for the M cars. But I disagree that M cars are not about engines. Consider the S62 M5, S65B40 M3, S85B50 M5/M6, and S54B32 M3/Z3M/Z4M. All to an engine were (and still are) very special techno wonders that are high-rpm screamers. The S54 at 8,000 rpm? Not a problem.

Only recently has there been the disturbing trend of M badged vehicles with engines shared with other non-M cars. I tried to look past it with the X5M/X6M but to piss away something that could have been truly special in the 1M is disappointing. There is no special engine for this car, just the leftovers from the 335is and Z4 35is.
 

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If you do all of that it is not 135i any more it will be one hell of a good 1 series. It would give not only M cars but many cars a run for their money. So what is your point driving a great performance car or just oogling over how high the engine revs or brag to your buddies that your engine was designed by M division. :tsk:

OK, so I will buy a 135, swap the suspension, put a limited slip diff, chip it, sell the rims/tires and buy the competition rims/tires, and put some M badges on the back... We good?
 

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if you are looking for a serious enthusiast car why not just get a E46 M3 ZCP or a Z4MC...
those are real M cars....
i think M has deviated from its core values... and the only real Ms are the ones before the current/future models
The 1M is lighter and more powerful and way faster then the E46 M3. Weight wise the 1M falls between the E30 M3 and the E36 M3. The 1M is the Highest Torque M Motor six ever produced.

The Z4MC is one of the ugliest BMW ever made IMO and this is why they did sit on dealers lots and why there are no more Z M cars.

Now why would I bother with either?

I would say the 1M is closest to the iconic E30 M3 for which it was created.
 

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If you do all of that it is not 135i any more it will be one hell of a good 1 series. It would give not only M cars but many cars a run for their money. So what is your point driving a great performance car or just oogling over how high the engine revs or brag to your buddies that your engine was designed by M division. :tsk:
I have an E90 M3 and a 135.

My point is, I can go out and make the 135 essentially the 1M for not a heck of a lot of money (chip, coil-overs, diff, rims, bodykit, badges).

Can't take a 335 sedan and make it an M3 unless you want to forklift in the S65 and do everything else (brakes, M suspension, diff, etc). I imagine a new S65 costs around $15K to $20K... Now, you can take some tuner's chip, intake, exhaust combo, put them in and roll the dice, but after 2.5 years with the S65, I will take it bone stock.

The motor is pretty important...

http://paultan.org/2007/03/23/the-new-bmw-m3-v8-engine-specifications/
 

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I have an E90 M3 and a 135.

My point is, I can go out and make the 135 essentially the 1M for not a heck of a lot of money (chip, coil-overs, diff, rims, bodykit, badges).

Can't take a 335 sedan and make it an M3 unless you want to forklift in the S65 and do everything else (brakes, M suspension, diff, etc). I imagine a new S65 costs around $15K to $20K... Now, you can take some tuner's chip, intake, exhaust combo, put them in and roll the dice, but after 2.5 years with the S65, I will take it bone stock.

The motor is pretty important...

http://paultan.org/2007/03/23/the-new-bmw-m3-v8-engine-specifications/
I think you are about as wrong as you can be. The difference is that the M engineers, the same ones that created the E90 M3 have designed all components of the 1M to work together as a package vs buying a bunch of aftermarket parts and slapping them on a 135.
I would challenge you to price out the same based equipped 135i vs the 1M after adding all parts to the 135i and see how much you save. Again it still won't be the 1M.

As far as making a 335i an equal to the E90 M3 you can use the same logic you are using about the 135, buy all the aftermarket parts for the 335i including as software update that matches the V8 in HP and far exceeds the V8 in Torque. Dinan has already done this to both the 135i and the 335i but neither are engineered from the M group to have all components work as well together.

The other missing issue is that the 135i has sold since 2008 and is still for sale. The 1M will only be made this year and in very limited numbers making it a very special car.
 
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