BimmerFest BMW Forum banner

1 - 19 of 19 Posts
G

·
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
Listing: Euro M5 touring Individual
Year: 1995
Model: M5 touring
Body: sports wagon
VIN: WBSHJ91010BL01908
Exterior Color: Sterling Sil
Interior Color: Blue leather
Transmission: 6 speed
Price: $28,000
Mileage: 67,000



One of only about 100 late production wagons, 340 hp 3.8L M power motor, Individual exteriour colour (Sterlingsilber Metallic) on blue Nappa leather memory sports seats, six speed, 18X8/9" staggered M-parallel wheels, shadowline, dual airbags, EDCIII active electronic suspension, 345 mm front floating rotors with 4 piston calipers, 328 mm rear rotors, fully automatic AC, double sunroof, headlight washers, very clean, well maintianed automobile. Federalization extra.

http://www.roadfly.org/bmw/classifieds/cars/detview.php?view=10663

So what does Federalization run (in $)? I WANT THIS CAR!!!!
 

·
King of Rear Clunks
Joined
·
12,903 Posts
Would something like this fall under a 'Show and Display'? That would make import easier but you'd only be able to drive it 2500mi(?)/yr.
 

·
Ex-Dictator
Joined
·
26,111 Posts
What is the logic behind the 2500 mls/year restriction ?
 

·
I like cookies.
Joined
·
18,102 Posts
Alex Baumann said:
What is the logic behind the 2500 mls/year restriction ?
Cars that don't meet US regulations can be imported for "show and display" purposes only and save huge costs if you just want a show car.
 

·
Ex-Dictator
Joined
·
26,111 Posts
nate328Ci said:
Cars that don't meet US regulations can be imported for "show and display" purposes only and save huge costs if you just want a show car.
What about foreigners entering the USA with a car ? Let's say me shipping my car to East Coast and I fly over. How would this be regulated ?
 

·
I like cookies.
Joined
·
18,102 Posts
Alex Baumann said:
What about foreigners entering the USA with a car ? Let's say me shipping my car to East Coast and I fly over. How would this be regulated ?
No, I think you can drive non-complying with foreign tags cars for a certain amount of time without modifications.

6 months, I believe?

I see Canadian plates a bit, Mexican too, even saw a car from Aruba last week :yikes:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
6,869 Posts
nate328Ci said:
Cars that don't meet US regulations can be imported for "show and display" purposes only and save huge costs if you just want a show car.
Additionally there is a list of cars you can bring in under "Show and Display"....I don't remember seeing a M5T on the list.
 

·
fahrer
Joined
·
1,387 Posts
Alex Baumann said:
What about foreigners entering the USA with a car ? Let's say me shipping my car to East Coast and I fly over. How would this be regulated ?
You can bring it in for one year. At the end of that time, the car has
to leave US soil, be legally imported, or turned over to US Customs
for "final disposition" (aka, crushed).

Alternatively, it's relatively easy to bring one in if the manufacturer
certifies that the car meets US DOT requirements. For German
market cars, this typically means airbag replacement. This has
to be performed by an RI (US DOT Registered Importer).

Active US servicemen fall under different rules, which are more
relaxed. If they follow the standard rules, it's the same - if they
follow the rules specific to them, they can end up with a vehicle
that can't legally be sold in the US.

If the vehicle is over 25 years old, it's relatively straightforward -
it can be brought in, pretty much regardless of any certifications.

I checked into it when I lived overseas, as I wanted to bring
a car back with me (unreasonable for me at the time). Once
I got back, I got all the paperwork from DOT to become an RI
but never followed up on it. There's so few RIs that there's
only one person at US DOT that handles importation for the
entire country!

It can be as cheap as shipping the vehicle and the associated
Customs brokerage fees, or it can be even more expensive
than Nate stated.

I've got two "grey market" vehicles in the garage right now!
:D

In order to meet the "show & display" requirements, the car
has to be judged by US DOT to be of significant rarity or
technological advancement to be worthy of status as such.
Last I checked, only one car had been brought in under those
regulations, an XJ220. There's also a mileage limitation,
which if exceeded, results in crushing. The allowance for
driving exists as DOT recognized owners' requests to drive
in order to keep the cars in working order.

The individual responsible for the show & display allowance?
Bill Gates - His auto club petitioned the US DOT and responded
to nearly all the requests for comments posted in the Federal
Register.
 

·
fahrer
Joined
·
1,387 Posts
Also, the US DOT regularly published a list of "certified
non-conforming" vehicles which are allowed to enter.

It won't always state needed modifications, as that becomes
a trade issue with RIs - it will comprehensively list all vehicles
which have already been allowed to enter though!

If it's on the list already, someone else has already done
the majority of the work!
:thumbup:
 

·
A sudden sense of liberty
Joined
·
3,939 Posts
bluer1 said:
Also, the US DOT regularly published a list of "certified
non-conforming" vehicles which are allowed to enter.

It won't always state needed modifications, as that becomes
a trade issue with RIs - it will comprehensively list all vehicles
which have already been allowed to enter though!

If it's on the list already, someone else has already done
the majority of the work!
:thumbup:
In this case, we know that 3.8L M5Ts have been imported to the United States; there are a handful of them out there that come up for sale from time to time. Ergo, someone either a) smuggled these cars in (not likely) or b) has done the work necessary to get them federalized.

Tom, if you're serious about this car (and I would be, if I were you) probably the best thing to do is contact Rob Levinson and ask him for tips on who federalized his. Alternately, you could try and track down the original owner of that 93 (?) we saw at Curry's. But Rob probably either has the answers or knows who to contact to get them.

Here's a useful site:

http://www.bmwworld.com/bmw/importing.htm

And here's the NHTSA page on it:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/index.html
 

·
TwinTurbo Power
Joined
·
76 Posts
Can you cheat?

1) Import the car under the one year use.
2) Buy a 1995 Silver 528T
3) Switch VIN and ID Plates
4) Turn it in as the M5T to be crushed!

Just an idea....

LJS330i
 

·
Registered User
Joined
·
10,856 Posts
How about sell it to JP every year for $1 and then buy it back the next day? *g*
 

·
fahrer
Joined
·
1,387 Posts
Actually - it's even easier just to drive one across with plates off
another car, then worry about titling it once you're in the US.
(Most loopholes have been closed, but it's still possible.)

The caveat? It's more difficult to import a car into Canada or Mexico
than the US!
:cry:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
738 Posts
nate328Ci said:
No, I think you can drive non-complying with foreign tags cars for a certain amount of time without modifications.

6 months, I believe?

I see Canadian plates a bit, Mexican too, even saw a car from Aruba last week :yikes:
I see Canadian cars around here all the time, mostly students. I saw an E46 320 near the Brown campus a few weeks ago.

I am not familiar with the restrictions on these cars. Can they only be in the country a limited period of time? What about in this case, with a student living in the US. He/She will be here from September to May, with the exception of breaks, which exceeds the 6 month "limit".

Edit: Ok, so I see it is actually one year. What about someone coming here for 4 years? Do they renew it every year when they come back? I am still confused how this would work in my above example. Or, are the Canadian cars free from this hassle?
 

·
I like cookies.
Joined
·
18,102 Posts
DrBimmer said:
I see Canadian cars around here all the time, mostly students. I saw an E46 320 near the Brown campus a few weeks ago.

I am not familiar with the restrictions on these cars. Can they only be in the country a limited period of time? What about in this case, with a student living in the US. He/She will be here from September to May, with the exception of breaks, which exceeds the 6 month "limit".
See my post above, it is actually one year.

Students might also get a waver, or take the car back during the summer :dunno:

Canadian cars meet almost every US regualtion besides labeling anyway...
 
1 - 19 of 19 Posts
Top