I live in NY and the dealer was taking orders. I know production is starting in April in SC.
Contemplating eDrive 45e Purchase -- Questions
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The order banks for the 24's opened about three weeks ago and allocations were issued last week.
We all have different reasons for what buying decisions we make some always want to be on the so called leading edge, other are happy with old and reliable. In the 45e 50e controversy I’m going with what’s best for spending the money I have I don’t believe in borrowing money for vehicles. If I wanted a 50e I needed $15,000 more for a similarly equipped vehicle is the 50e better it might be but then I’ll take the XM over both there is always something better, in this discussion 45e is my choice and I’ll gladly live with it.
Well said Brian!
I’m usually on the tech leading edge: AI/ML, DIY solar install, beta versions for software, etc. Like you, I simply felt that scooping up a 45e made sense for a lot of reasons: guaranteed tax credit (if income threshold permits), an interior I prefer, and recognition that “perfect is the enemy of good enough.”
Picked up my 45e from Sandia BMW on Friday and drove back to Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex same day. Have to admit, so far the car has exceeded my expectations. Thrilled with the purchase overall.
Despite this, very curious if the increase in ‘24 x50e battery range is due to a) an adjustment to battery’s buffer to bring inline with European spec versions or b) if there was some chemistry/composition changes to the pack. Would be excellent if it’s the former: as BMW collects more data about pack wear it can raise the threshold to unlock additional capacity. If true, I can’t imagine BMW increasing capacity through OTA updates for ‘23 and older vehicles but it would indicate that owners could contemplate raising capacity more safely through unlock options that currently exist.
Whether to do so while under warranty or not is a different question that was covered elsewhere.
I’m usually on the tech leading edge: AI/ML, DIY solar install, beta versions for software, etc. Like you, I simply felt that scooping up a 45e made sense for a lot of reasons: guaranteed tax credit (if income threshold permits), an interior I prefer, and recognition that “perfect is the enemy of good enough.”
Picked up my 45e from Sandia BMW on Friday and drove back to Dallas-Ft. Worth Metroplex same day. Have to admit, so far the car has exceeded my expectations. Thrilled with the purchase overall.
Despite this, very curious if the increase in ‘24 x50e battery range is due to a) an adjustment to battery’s buffer to bring inline with European spec versions or b) if there was some chemistry/composition changes to the pack. Would be excellent if it’s the former: as BMW collects more data about pack wear it can raise the threshold to unlock additional capacity. If true, I can’t imagine BMW increasing capacity through OTA updates for ‘23 and older vehicles but it would indicate that owners could contemplate raising capacity more safely through unlock options that currently exist.
Whether to do so while under warranty or not is a different question that was covered elsewhere.
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Gotta agree 100% with not borrowing money for vehicles. Unfortunately some payment buyers do the 30 day coupon book shuffle their entire adult lives working for the bank and end up damn near broke at retirement living a lifestyle that they can't afford. Millions of Americans are trapped in payment book hell and have their financial futures hijacked by the credit industry's "buy now pay later" narcotic. 72 month car loans, 22% credit card rolling balance interest rates, get real, financial suicide.
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While agree with your comment on this, we have to realize there are millions of people trapped into debt because it is the only way they can afford to live. And the lenders know this. The lenders clearly take advantage of people who have no choice but to pay the interest rates in order to drive, and ultimately as a consequence of needing to work, also drive. I think it is shameful that there are not usury laws to protect the most vulnerable among us, but at the same time we cannot mandate to protect stupid - which some that sign up for those terms clearly are.
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I'm pretty sure the capacity increase was via a different cell as both the US and elsewhere got an increase. The USA still has about the same percentage cut off of the useable amount. BMW did this three times to the i3 over its lifetime, same battery case in all versions.
At one time I worked in the area of FT Hood in Texas 10- 15 years ago while there I found out you can get a used vehicle at great prices and choices. The reason being young people in the military were buying more car than they really could afford and it becomes an eventually that they will be forced to sell and take a big hit. Being a Veteran I was sympathetic for their situation but I remember when I was in the Navy I bought a new car which stayed in a parking lot 90% of the time as I was at sea. I guess boys will be boys. In my day however cars were cheaper as a percentage of income today people are getting credit to by cars that are more than a years income for some, the lenders are counting on foreclosure which is where they really make their money.
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^^^^^^Its not just cars. My parents generation had no credit cards, bought 900 sq ft unairconditioned homes with virtually no ammenities, drove Fords or Chevys, had no cell phones, PCs, Ipads, never had massages, manicures, pedicures, makeovers, gym memberships, personal trainers, nannies, landscappers, car detailers, Psychologists, cruises, international travel, and on and on.
Totally different world and none of the above is free but many unfortunately consider it to be mandatory but can only pay the bill with credit that will some how be reconcilled when that ship comes which really never happens.
I remember hearing my father say "Show me what you own, not what you have", when guys my age who were then into the early career stages and were flaunting new cars, Rolex watches, and a bunch of other look at me stuff.
Totally different world and none of the above is free but many unfortunately consider it to be mandatory but can only pay the bill with credit that will some how be reconcilled when that ship comes which really never happens.
I remember hearing my father say "Show me what you own, not what you have", when guys my age who were then into the early career stages and were flaunting new cars, Rolex watches, and a bunch of other look at me stuff.
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Pricing question -- I know the market has completely changed since the last time I bought and unsure how to approach dealers. I'm looking at the 45e - don't care about the changes in the 50e or the price increase. Dealers around me have many 45e's on the lot, I'm guessing because buyers are looking at the 50e. So my question, for those that have bought recently, will dealers negotiate or are they still demanding full MSRP plus all their larded up add-ons and fee? While I'd rather have the 45e, I know it is going to take a sharp depreciation the moment the first 50e's ship so I'll hold off for a 50e if pricing is effectively non-negotiable.
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It is going to depend on the dealer and location. We have been seeing discounts up to 5% or so more often for the 45e the past month but most seem to be sticking around MSRP. I think a big part of that is that the 45e still qualifies for the EV credit until the end of March, with MSRP and income limits of course, and the 50e is not expected to qualify once the battery guidance is issued. Your time is running out for that of course but if that is not an issue you may just want to wait until April and you will likely see more discounting. You may want to contact a broker and see what they can do for you if you don't want to contact a bunch of dealers to see what type off pricing to get.
For the most part I agree with The Turtleboy. I did get my best price from a broker however when you figure in State credits that may be available and the brokers fee I was able to get a slightly better price from dealer. But the main reason I went with dealer was that I was able to order exactly what I wanted with broker it was a toss up of car selection
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Thanks Man, good info.
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Yes all of that is very true. Also .gov is enabling people to believe they have a right to these devices and services through grants and bailouts. Obama phone anyone?
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Absolutely as laughable as it is true. Half the country lives off the other half.
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A friend of mine was 50, not maxing out his 401(k), and would end up with a $25k to $30k per year pension. He bought a new $50k BMW and had to finance it. I told him I'd be defecating in my pants if I was in that situation. I'll never forget what he said. "I deserve a BMW."
He'd earlier test drove a $28k Honda Accord. The Honda salesman went with him on the test drive, and had him park the car behind the showroom and sales offices building. There was some covered parking spaces back there, one containing a Porsche 911. My friend asked who the 911 belonged to. The salesman said it belonged ot the VW-Honda dealership's owner. My friend go pissed, stormed off the lot, and bragged about doing so. "Well, he obviously doesn't need my business." WTF?
I used to run into the dealership's owner years later on Fridays at The Trough (all-you-can-eat-buffet), after he retired and sold the dealership. He was driving a Porsche Turbo S. My lunch posse would hit The Trough on Fridays.
I tried to get my friend with the financed BMW to come to lunch with us, so I could point out the Turbo S in the parking lot, tell him who (whom?) it belonged to and say "I guess he really didn't need your business."
The Turbo S owner and his wife would get the "Red Plate Special," one trip only through the buffet, saving a few bucks. So did two of the millionaires in my lunch posse. They'd "engineer" their plates of food though. The only catch was that their desert on the bottom would taste like the collard greens higher up in the pile of food.
I'd get the "White Plate Special," a.k.a. "White Privilege," all-the trips I want. My peach cobbler tasted like... peach cobbler.
The Trough now has "Fat Geezer Happy Hour" from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m, all you can eat for $12.16 plus tip.
The retired VW-Honda dealer said he got a screaming deal on the Turbo S. Somebody had ordered it at a friend's Porsche dealership, and then backed out of the deal before the car came in. A $200k lot bunny eventually makes even a Porsche dealer nervous. So, he let his friend have it for cost. It's sort of scarry thinking about an 80-year-old driving a 600 h.p. car, though.
He'd earlier test drove a $28k Honda Accord. The Honda salesman went with him on the test drive, and had him park the car behind the showroom and sales offices building. There was some covered parking spaces back there, one containing a Porsche 911. My friend asked who the 911 belonged to. The salesman said it belonged ot the VW-Honda dealership's owner. My friend go pissed, stormed off the lot, and bragged about doing so. "Well, he obviously doesn't need my business." WTF?
I used to run into the dealership's owner years later on Fridays at The Trough (all-you-can-eat-buffet), after he retired and sold the dealership. He was driving a Porsche Turbo S. My lunch posse would hit The Trough on Fridays.
I tried to get my friend with the financed BMW to come to lunch with us, so I could point out the Turbo S in the parking lot, tell him who (whom?) it belonged to and say "I guess he really didn't need your business."
The Turbo S owner and his wife would get the "Red Plate Special," one trip only through the buffet, saving a few bucks. So did two of the millionaires in my lunch posse. They'd "engineer" their plates of food though. The only catch was that their desert on the bottom would taste like the collard greens higher up in the pile of food.
I'd get the "White Plate Special," a.k.a. "White Privilege," all-the trips I want. My peach cobbler tasted like... peach cobbler.
The Trough now has "Fat Geezer Happy Hour" from 2 p.m. to 5 p.m, all you can eat for $12.16 plus tip.
The retired VW-Honda dealer said he got a screaming deal on the Turbo S. Somebody had ordered it at a friend's Porsche dealership, and then backed out of the deal before the car came in. A $200k lot bunny eventually makes even a Porsche dealer nervous. So, he let his friend have it for cost. It's sort of scarry thinking about an 80-year-old driving a 600 h.p. car, though.
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Easy rule - mnemonic - HE WHO (nominative), HIM WHOM (accusative).
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I bought my Porsche 911 way back in 1973 (an advantage of being old), paid cash that I had saved from four years sailors pay, $18, 200 with all options that didn’t interfere with some other option.
Much later I lived in an old high rise (19 floors) condominium in Charleston, SC, 330 Concord St. Dockside Condos, #17E while my owner ate the ever increasing assessments to keep the place from falling down like the one in Florida. We had, I saw, the exact same problems - corroding rebar popping concrete. I timed it perfectly.
Dockside had a marina where I kept my Beneteau sailboat. Step into the back yard and go for a sunset sail. We hung a crab trap off the boat, and Milady Wife had offered to pick and clean all the crabs that I caught. Between the many fine restaurants in Charleston and our fresh crabs we ate very well. And we bicycled almost every day.
On 15 November 2005 while I was bicycling in the Florida Keys my closing on Wisconsin home happened by remote control.. A day or two later, while we were on a Sunset Cruise from Key West, I got a first opportunity to buy at $750,000 that I refused. It sold in three days.
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Probably tree-hugging more than money-hugging. If neither, it might be just an "outcome manipulation game." One of my single, millionaire coworkers cancelled his household garbage service, and would smuggle his household trash into the dumpster at work.
When I lived in Virginia, I had a 2nd story apartment in a 3-story building. The old guy below me would keep his heat set at about 85. I'd leave mine off and steal his heat. I didn't need to save the money. But, it was a game to see what I could get away with.
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