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This is for a 2003 540i, ~100K miles. They haven't opened up the car yet to see if the flywheel can be resurfaced or not but this is what they quoted me for the parts cost of the flywheel. Looking online with the same part number: 21-20-1-223-581 I'm seeing prices of USD 1300 for OEM. Is this the same part that BMW uses? Are they ripping me off? Can I say something to them about the cost (never done this before).
 

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I've had BMW dealers here in Toronto sell me the same part twice (seperate times) at a different price. And it was a $10 part. First time I went, they sold it to me for $15. Next time, it was $12.50. They love to mark up if they get the chance. On a clutch job, since that's what I'm assuming is going on, they will try to milk the hell out of it. Demand that you want to see the price of said part on their screen via their parts catalogue, not on the blue screen. Don't pay for any prices they tell you verbally.
 

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You can enter the part number at realoem.com, and find which models use that part.

Dealer pricing tends to be high (and even more so in Canada), since BMW NA claims to have no control over dealer price structures.

Consider getting a quote form an independent BMW garage.
 

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Thanks for the insight. I've asked my service guy to see what he can do about the price. I definitely don't want to go aftermarket with this. Labor is at $1100 which I think is fine but damn the parts are expensive! The realoem site states ~$1900 US for the flywheel, but I'm not sure what that price is, is it an average dealer price for the part or something?
 

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Yes the dealer is ripping you off big time.. ECS tuning has the LUK Dual Mass Flywheel for $545.81 (link). LUK is the OEM flywheel. You can tell them that you could get it for price X and see what they respond. Why are you going to dealer? You got tons off cash you want to burn?
 

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AutoPartsWay (Canadian website) that has the same LUK dual mass flywheel for $350 more than HTK12's source. Lol. At least it's free shipping to where you are. Take your pick. I'm just not sure whether the dealer will install anything that doesn't come from their own parts department even though it's technically OEM.
 

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LUK is the OEM flywheel.
Lots of flywheel supplier information in this thread:
- What brand to get for clutch and flywheel (1)

BTW ...
I'm curious what would make a flywheel go bad?

Would it be a bad starting motor gear coupling which ruins the teeth?
Or is it from a manual transmission scraping it?

Note: We should probably have a thread on who is the OEM supplier for each part...
 

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I'm curious what would make a flywheel go bad?

Would it be a bad starting motor gear coupling which ruins the teeth?
Or is it from a manual transmission scraping it?

Note: We should probably have a thread on who is the OEM supplier for each part...
Bad gear coupling via the teeth engagement is rare and unlikely. Flywheels can get warped from excessive heat similar to a brake rotor. Maybe that's the issue here. A warped flywheel can be caused by excessive clutch slippage over a lengthy period of time. It adds up. The most common symptom of a warped flywheel is shuddering under clutch engagement. Maybe that's the issue here. A simple lateral runout measurement would confirm that.
 

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I'm curious what would make a flywheel go bad?

Would it be a bad starting motor gear coupling which ruins the teeth?
Or is it from a manual transmission scraping it?

Note: We should probably have a thread on who is the OEM supplier for each part...
Well dual mass flywheel isin't like the flywheel on your '69 chevy. The springs usually give out on dual mass flywheel. Dual mass flywheel is used to absorb vibrations on low rpm. With a dual mass flywheel one can cruise at low rpm, if you were to replace it with a single mass flywheel you couldn't cruise at the same low rpm or you would cause wear to all drivetrain parts. If you want to know about dual mass flywheels check out this LUK video.


It is quite easy to destroy a dual mass flywheel by increasing low end torq (below 2000 rpm) and regularly going WOT on low rpm. This is a really common issue on chipped diesel engines, not so much with gasoline engines. This is due to diesel engines having more torque on lower rpm compared to gasoline engines. This causes the dual mass flywheel to bottom out, which causes clutch wear, transmission wear etc. In any case I don't recommend regularly dropping the hammer below 2000 rpm, if you want to max the duel mass flywheel life.

Bluebee I think having a thread stating OEM supplier for each part is just too much work when one can go to site like ECS tuning and check that out. When you look at the part on ECS tuning it lists which one is OEM. I think many other sites got that too. ECS tuning is just the first to pop into my mind.
 

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check out this LUK video
Nice. I had never heard of a "dual mass" flywheel before.

  • One mass is attached to the gearbox (which the clutch engages with)
  • The other mass is bolted to the crankshaft
  • Benefit is to lower the resonant frequency to below idle speed


When you look at the part on ECS tuning it lists which one is OEM
I am aware that many web sites "do" list the OEM supplier, but, that doesn't give us the opportunity to discuss them, nor is it E39 specific in a single sort (it would take a zillion searches on ECS to find the information that can be in a single table).
> E39 (1997 - 2003) > The list of OEM suppliers (primary manufacturer) for parts often replaced on the E39

Plus, they often just say "OEM" or "OE" or "OES" or "Genuine BMW", so you don't really know WHO made the part.
In addition, they often don't list the OE for multi-part things such as the window regulators, where it took me a LONG TIME to figure out who the OEM was.
 

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My God, how some stealers can look themselves in the mirror. When I did the clutch and flywheel on my M5 with all OEM parts, they were somewhere around $450 US as I recall. This was right from Sachs if I recall. I did not research "forever" or even go on Ebay. Someone just told me to stay with OEM and that OEM manufacturer was on the net and to just google them. Seems like they even did 1 day or 2nd day UPS included. Make sure to get $2 plastic pivot pin from BMW. I bought all parts (You need flywheel because a dual mass flywheel can't be ground by most and remain balanced-get flywheel and also do rear main while in there). I bought all parts, took to ASE BMW-certified Indy in Chicago who just charged labor only. They charged $300 labor and all parts were under $600 easily. I got mine done for way under 1/2 what you were quoted for just flywheel. I would print-out price from Sachs and show it to this scumbag.

I would honestly rather have multiple root canals than have to go to a BMW dealership for repairs. Parts are bad enough unless you use someone like Tischer or one of those who will give an individual the same discount a mechanic gets. BMW works hard to earn the reputation they get and I feel no mercy for them.

Oh, just to add...As I recall, LUK and SACHS are the same pieces. Some LUK parts come stamped "SACHS" on the outside or vice versa. Please believe me that clutch disk AND flywheel were under $500 from the manufactures web site. This was in 2009 or 2010. Labor you were quoted is too high as well. They charged me $50 to do rear main seal. I replaced throw-out bearing, clutch pivot pin $2 (they are plastic and get brittle and if break, your whole job is ruined for $2 part) clutch arm (fork) probably unnecessary, springs, pilot bearing, disk and flywheel and that's it. If you can not find clutch and flywheel for near price I quoted you, PM me and I will help find. Just google LUK and SACHS for starters.
 

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Yep. It's ridiulous how much they mark up the prices. They like to take advantage of the average Joe that doesn't know anything and doesn't bother to look into it. When they deal with people like us though who are well-informed, well, they won't be getting any of our money. We know better. Good to hear you got it all done within a reasonable price range.
 

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Thanks for the insight. I've asked my service guy to see what he can do about the price. I definitely don't want to go aftermarket with this. Labor is at $1100 which I think is fine but damn the parts are expensive! The realoem site states ~$1900 US for the flywheel, but I'm not sure what that price is, is it an average dealer price for the part or something?
Welcome to BMW Canada prices. :(
I tried this site with your part #
http://www.furiousmethod.com/
BMW branded parts ~$1,200 US, LUK brand (stated as OES to BMW) $500 to $700. Shipping to Canada extra of course.

My experience is that Canadian dealer prices are 3 to 10 time higher than US sourced BMW branded parts. I've challenged the local dealer with US prices & the parts counter staff insisted that those prices are lower than their cost from BMW Canada. Based on their body language and tone of voice I believed them. So the price you were quoted was actually not bad. :rofl:

FWIW, Here are the sites I've had good service & value shipping to me in Canada
http://faulknerbmwpartssource.com/splash/index.cfm?siteid=216042
http://www.bestpricecarparts.ca/index.html
http://www.bimmerspecialist.ca/parts/index/bmw
http://www.eeuroparts.com/
http://www.rockauto.com/

I shop around. No one vendor is best every time. Accumulate a basket of parts to minimize shipping & border costs. At all costs avoid shipping by UPS - they will charge $50 to $100 at the door for brokerage. (only exception is UPS WorldEase rate in which everything is prepaid so you know in advance.)
EDIT: Fedex, USPS, DHL, etc. are $5 to $10

Best of luck.
 

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I don't know if Amazon will ship to you or how much extra it is to Canada, but the Luk flywheel and clutch are on sale on Amazon. I picked them both up with free Amazon Prime 2-day shipping for $551.:bigpimp:
 

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i pulled the drivetrain from my 2001 540i Sport 6 speed a few months ago to go with LS power. I still have the OEM BMW M62TU dual mass flywheel. Minor surface rust, would clean up beautifully with a resurface job (which I would recommend anyways). Would be more than happy to help you out in this situation. $200 shipped for the flywheel, plus a $100 resurface/cleanup, would be far cheaper than any other option. I also have the OEM pressure plate and clutch disc with 25K on them. Let me know if you're interested, send me a PM, or email me at [email protected]

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Just a random thought, but if you go with this gentleman's flywheel, I would NOT resurface. Re-surfacing a dual-mass flywheel is a very iffy proposition. I would just install with surface rust and a few clutch engagements and surface rust will be gone anyway. The Amazon price is close to what I would expect and close to what I paid by ordering from the maker. Luk is re-branded Sachs or Sachs is re-branded LUK. Can't remember
which way it is, but if you buy Sachs it comes in LUK box or vice versa. $551 is spot on.
 

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Dual-mass flywheels can be resurfaced, but the operator has to be slow and very careful and not take off too much material at once. I had my flwheel done a month ago and it took well over an hour on the grinder at the cost of $100.
 
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