THis was the new for 2003 Navigator. It now has r&p steering which makes it feel a bit morre connceted (for a truck) to the road. But still, why do people buy these things?
The interior looked nice at first glance but was very cheesily built. That "aluminum" look dash you see in the pics looks and feels like an 80s panasonic boom box. Its just silver colored plastic-- not attempt to actually make it look like real metal. It feels very cheap and flimsy too.
It doesn't have as much room inside as its garganutan size would indicate. You actually have to squeeze your hand between the door panel and the seat to reach the power seat controls. on my "small" 325i, I have plenty of room to reach the seat controls.
The seats didn't feel very comfortable
The AC took a long time to cool down the interior
It rattled and squeaked pretty badly.
It felt like driving a bus--and averaged 11.8 mpg. How on earth do people put up with these things on a daily basis? I'd shudder to think what the older version was like... I guess it was sort of fun feeling like you could run over other cars, but that's about it.
Doesn't this thing cost 40-50K?!
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I think this is probably the most over-priced pile of junk i've had the (non)pleasure of driving.
The TL-S was much better (of course). Although the interior design wasn't as pleasing and maybe some of the plastics weren't as nice, I think its better put together than my BMW. I couldn't make any surface squeak or move by pressing on it as I can in my BMW. It did not squeak or rattle over any surfaces-- and it did have a pretty tight suspension w/ 17" wheels. I like the dial for the climate control temp. I liked the clear gauages that were lit with a whitish light. Strangely, overall it felt "tighter" than my BMW.
the steering has kind of a fake sensation of weight--but I actually liked it better than any of the recent 3 series steering I've tested-- atleast on the highway. Its definitely a FWD car in corners and abit of a pig- but not horrible.
The engine felt and sounded much coarser-- although you'd never notice if you didn't have a BMW. I didn't really feel the 260 hp this thing supposedly has either. Yeah, I saw the article posted here about the TL's transmission troubles-- pretty scary, although I get the sense that BMW screws up much more often than Honda.
I'm not tempted by it at all, but I do wish Honda would build a smaller RWD sport sedan. I know it would be very good- and I think it would actually make me want to give up my BMW. There were rumors when teh S2k came out that they were going to use that platform to do this, but I haven't heard anything new on this. I know Honda is going to import the FWD European accord and badge it as a "TSX" or something-- supposed to be a smaller 4 doors sports sedan to fill the gap between the RSX and the TL. Wish that slot had been occupied by something from the S2k platofrm...
The interior looked nice at first glance but was very cheesily built. That "aluminum" look dash you see in the pics looks and feels like an 80s panasonic boom box. Its just silver colored plastic-- not attempt to actually make it look like real metal. It feels very cheap and flimsy too.
It doesn't have as much room inside as its garganutan size would indicate. You actually have to squeeze your hand between the door panel and the seat to reach the power seat controls. on my "small" 325i, I have plenty of room to reach the seat controls.
The seats didn't feel very comfortable
The AC took a long time to cool down the interior
It rattled and squeaked pretty badly.
It felt like driving a bus--and averaged 11.8 mpg. How on earth do people put up with these things on a daily basis? I'd shudder to think what the older version was like... I guess it was sort of fun feeling like you could run over other cars, but that's about it.
Doesn't this thing cost 40-50K?!
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
I think this is probably the most over-priced pile of junk i've had the (non)pleasure of driving.
The TL-S was much better (of course). Although the interior design wasn't as pleasing and maybe some of the plastics weren't as nice, I think its better put together than my BMW. I couldn't make any surface squeak or move by pressing on it as I can in my BMW. It did not squeak or rattle over any surfaces-- and it did have a pretty tight suspension w/ 17" wheels. I like the dial for the climate control temp. I liked the clear gauages that were lit with a whitish light. Strangely, overall it felt "tighter" than my BMW.
the steering has kind of a fake sensation of weight--but I actually liked it better than any of the recent 3 series steering I've tested-- atleast on the highway. Its definitely a FWD car in corners and abit of a pig- but not horrible.
The engine felt and sounded much coarser-- although you'd never notice if you didn't have a BMW. I didn't really feel the 260 hp this thing supposedly has either. Yeah, I saw the article posted here about the TL's transmission troubles-- pretty scary, although I get the sense that BMW screws up much more often than Honda.
I'm not tempted by it at all, but I do wish Honda would build a smaller RWD sport sedan. I know it would be very good- and I think it would actually make me want to give up my BMW. There were rumors when teh S2k came out that they were going to use that platform to do this, but I haven't heard anything new on this. I know Honda is going to import the FWD European accord and badge it as a "TSX" or something-- supposed to be a smaller 4 doors sports sedan to fill the gap between the RSX and the TL. Wish that slot had been occupied by something from the S2k platofrm...