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first the story behind this,
i recently figured out that my car has active front steering by decoding the VIN, while i already own this car for 3 years. ( probably explains why steering isn't that light like it should been.)
went on investigating why it could not find/connect in inpa.
this is where it starts. there was no fuse (40A in the glovebox) present, put a new fuse in, and still nothing.

thought maybe a bad active front steering module ( water damage or corroded/rusted pins )
turns out the power connector was left unplugged. everything else seems alright. no moisture or corrosion or rust to be found in the area where the module sits.

after i plugged the connector back in the fun started with the following messages in the idrive.

Active steering faulty!
Drive control system!

in ista had the following code:
005F60 DSC: Control unit not for vehicles with active front steering.

so probably the previous owner already had or active front steering trouble, put a DSC unit without AFS in it and pulled the fuse to disable it.
or had a faulty DSC unit and just go this way as an easy fix to keep it driving or to sell the car without "big faults" popping up in the dash.

so i got another dsc unit for active steering out of an E60 3.0D ( probably a manual trans and found out it is a Dynamic Stability Control 8Plus unit ) without knowing what part number i need or could use.
or even if that could matter or not, meaning with that do i need a dsc unit out of a car with auto transmission, or can one out of a manual be used?

after installing the new dsc unit came a new list of fault codes. ( see picture below ) figured it needed to be programmed to match the VIN of the car.
programming the "new" unit with winkfp to match the vin and coded it after programming, still nothing and all the codes came back.

found in inpa that the SZL module showed no vin. thought that maybe that had something to do with it and corrected that.
still no luck.

idrive now shows 3 faults :

Active steering faulty
Drive control system
Start assistant inactive ( isn't this only for manual trans ? )

so the next questions are: did i bought a wrong DSC unit and need another one based on part numbers? and wich one do i need?
if not, whats next to do.
replace dsc sensor under the seats?
check wiring for damages?
replace active steering module?

00613D code would probably be a bad wiring to the lock as that is most common as far as i could find out?

( IHKA, fan box and AHL codes where already present before this. so nothing to do with the current situation )
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Is the DCS a seperate computer or the ABS pump in the engine bay?

for the 545 with active steering and DCS there is a specific ABS pump for cars equipped with AS. What is weird, is I don't see one for non-AS.


For AS. - if you are referring to these, it appears they need coded once installed.


For non AS

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Is the DCS a seperate computer or the ABS pump in the engine bay?

for the 545 with active steering and DCS there is a specific ABS pump for cars equipped with AS. What is weird, is I don't see one for non-AS.


For AS. - if you are referring to these, it appears they need coded once installed.


For non AS

yes it is the ABS/DSC unit in the engine bay. the old one i had in the car dont have active steering on the sticker. the ones for active steering has active steering on the sticker.

i probably found out the part number range on your link ( realoem ) that should be in my car by entering my last 7 digits of my vin.
part numbers 34516769704 - 34516769708
mine is 3451677485201.
so at this moment im leaning to that i bought the wrong DSC unit. but need confirmation if this is the case.
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To be honest, I've never looked in the engine bay at any of this other than the pump. are you saying the actual computer is attached to the pump where all the brake lines go into? it appears the computer itself has issues over the years from reading the FCP Euro fine print. You can just replace this. But if you don't have the correct pump, then maybe you will need both. And then you still have the outstanding active steering issue (or maybe you do)

I think I understand realoem now, it is missing the S217A=No text (where I put NO in red)
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Or maybe it should be this - this seems the correct correction. Deleted the one above to prevent any confusion. So this appears to be the complete unit, where as the other part number, the "repair kit", is the computer only.

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To be honest, I've never looked in the engine bay at any of this other than the pump. are you saying the actual computer is attached to the pump where all the brake lines go into? it appears the computer itself has issues over the years from reading the FCP Euro fine print. You can just replace this. But if you don't have the correct pump, then maybe you will need both. And then you still have the outstanding active steering issue (or maybe you do)

I think I understand realoem now, it is missing the S217A=No text (where I put NO in red)
yes the computer is attached to the pump.

could it be that the dsc 8 plus uses another gateway to communicate that it wont work in opposed to the dsc 8?

New from 09/2005: > E60, E61, E63, E64 Introduction of DSC 8Plus on the BMW 5-Series and 6-Series with rear-wheel drive. From this point time on, the body gateway module (KGM) is the gateway to the PT-CAN

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Lets get what should be in the car with the BMW Vin Decoder link below. This will tell you how your car was built.


Go into INPA & find the tab with UIF on it, as this will tell you what has the wrong vin number in the problem module. There are 3 modules that are associated with the Active steering that must be fault free for the Active Steering to operate properly. The SZL, AL, & the SGM. If all 3 of these modules are having faults, the clockspring ribbon could have been damaged. This only affected the 2004 & 2005 models, then the SZL was redesigned.

If you enter the modules on the control tree, you can work thru the module, testing all of its functions. INPA work best for sensory data on the drivetrain, & ISTA works better for checking out the modules functions.

Lets find out what you should have, then work from there.
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Lets get what should be in the car with the BMW Vin Decoder link below. This will tell you how your car was built.


Go into INPA & find the tab with UIF on it, as this will tell you what has the wrong vin number in the problem module. There are 3 modules that are associated with the Active steering that must be fault free for the Active Steering to operate properly. The SZL, AL, & the SGM. If all 3 of these modules are having faults, the clockspring ribbon could have been damaged. This only affected the 2004 & 2005 models, then the SZL was redesigned.

If you enter the modules on the control tree, you can work thru the module, testing all of its functions. INPA work best for sensory data on the drivetrain, & ISTA works better for checking out the modules functions.

Lets find out what you should have, then work from there.

the SZL has no codes. and checked in inpa if steering angle sensor was working. ( and with the old DSC connected i can reset/calibrate the steering angle in ista )
AL has 1 code: 00613D AL: Lock: electrical fault ( should check wiring first for this one ? )
SGM/SIM has 91C1 in inpa ( could be set because i had the passenger seat out to get to the AL module, no faults before i had the seat out.) but shows green and no code in ista
changed the VIN in the modules that needed it with tool32, or updated with winkfp and coded it after with ncs.

i searched for part numbers and found this.
the dsc unit i bought, following this site is for production after 9/2005 and the 645 Ci is not listed in the Vehicle applicability.

and this one is for 2003 to 9/2005 and listed for my vehicle in the Vehicle applicability.

they have one laying around with the part number in the last link.( 34516769707-01 ) i could change the unit out and try that one.
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Thanks for posting those DSC documents. Unfortunately they don't apply to our specific year. Its a lot to read, and I only skimmed them, but gut feeling is in order to communicate with the 2004 version of the DCS you will need the correct computer. The DSC software will gather info from other modules onboard the car and makes its decisions based on those inputs. If the format of the messages coming in don't make sense (because they are from older modules) then it can't work/work reliably/fully function. its hard enough to make software backwards compatible. forward compatible would be quite a feat, unless there was a software patch out there for the specific purpose. doesn't seem like something any car manufacturer would do.

Thats just a hunch, and probably a pretty good one. You would be fighting an uphill battle to get it working. You might search around and see if anyone has ever done it. Being its a safety module, I'd just do it right. Your lucky to find one, especially if it is working.
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the SZL has no codes. and checked in inpa if steering angle sensor was working. ( and with the old DSC connected i can reset/calibrate the steering angle in ista )
AL has 1 code: 00613D AL: Lock: electrical fault ( should check wiring first for this one ? )
SGM/SIM has 91C1 in inpa ( could be set because i had the passenger seat out to get to the AL module, no faults before i had the seat out.) but shows green and no code in ista
changed the VIN in the modules that needed it with tool32, or updated with winkfp and coded it after with ncs.

i searched for part numbers and found this.
the dsc unit i bought, following this site is for production after 9/2005 and the 645 Ci is not listed in the Vehicle applicability.

and this one is for 2003 to 9/2005 and listed for my vehicle in the Vehicle applicability.

they have one laying around with the part number in the last link.( 34516769707-01 ) i could change the unit out and try that one.
If you have the seat out, this effects the ability of the SGM to work properly, not allowing the AL module to calibrate. Hook the seat up to clear the airbag fault, then try and calibrate the AL. The pdf attached might help, but I have a few more when I can find them. If you go into ISTA & try and run the AC calibration, the test should calibrate once you see the blue numbers that change while turning the wheel. If you don't see the blue numbers, it want calibrate. If you have any Lin Bus errors, the clockspring is most likely damaged.

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Thanks for posting those Herb - curiosity got the best of me and started reading thru 02a, wow, didn't know how much was going on to achieve this. so many parts, so may things could go wrong. feel like I'm on borrowed time now!
I finally had to rebuild my steering rack from 3 different racks. BMW says this can't be done, but it is possible to do. Most diagnostics are very misleading, do to the FCAN connecting the 3 required modules. If one has a problem, they will not calibrate the steering angle sensor. Sometimes we learn the hard way on our cars, but at least we have that victory run at the end!
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I finally had to rebuild my steering rack from 3 different racks. BMW says this can't be done, but it is possible to do. Most diagnostics are very misleading, do to the FCAN connecting the 3 required modules. If one has a problem, they will not calibrate the steering angle sensor. Sometimes we learn the hard way on our cars, but at least we have that victory run at the end!
Impressive you were able to rebuild it. I got lucky, my 545 went out around 50K or so, when I had the car under an extended warranty. BMW put a rebuilt unit in there if I recall. When I had that extended warranty, if the car so much as sneezed, it went back to the dealership.

A guy on the M5board had his sent out somewhere, but of course, the M5's don't have active steering, nor my M6. I prefer active steering to be honest. The M6 "feels" harder to keep the car under control. Now that I have a small grasp of what occurs, I will pay closer attention between the both. It would be nice to read how the M5/M6 steering setup works, so I can compare and contrast mentally and physically.

What is interesting, is the document you posted covers yaw control IF you have Active Steering. It sort of brags about how AS is better than using brakes to achieve yaw control. But it doesn't cover what occurs if there is NO AS. Left to the imagination I guess....
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well, i traded the DSC in for another one. this one came out of a 645 so thats good.
the F-CAN codes are gone. but these 2 remain.

D368 no message (LWS steering box, 0xc3), reciever DSC, transmitter LWS/RAD
613D AL: lock: electrical fault.

inpa shows driver steering angle.
but is not reading the total steering angle sensor on the rack.
first thing to do is to check the wiring.
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Is the DCS a seperate computer or the ABS pump in the engine bay?

for the 545 with active steering and DCS there is a specific ABS pump for cars equipped with AS. What is weird, is I don't see one for non-AS.


For AS. - if you are referring to these, it appears they need coded once installed.


For non AS

Wrong car. Langeb has a 2004 645Ci.

I guess he figured it out in RealOEM though.
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wel, this project comes to a halt for now.
i was going to inspect the wiring to the steering rack when i found out there is no active steering rack installed.
perhaps in time it was broken and they installed a regular servotronic rack to cut costs.

so this project will be continued if i find a AF rack for a decent price.
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Wrong car. Langeb has a 2004 645Ci.

I guess he figured it out in RealOEM though.
I know it was wrong car, but figured Langeb was smart enough to plug in right car. I think is same parts anyway. Caveat moving forward, I just plug in one of my cars to show people the general idea where to look. Hopefully if they are wrenching, they are smart enough to figure that out. otherwise, drive over the the dealership!
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wel, this project comes to a halt for now.
i was going to inspect the wiring to the steering rack when i found out there is no active steering rack installed.
perhaps in time it was broken and they installed a regular servotronic rack to cut costs.

so this project will be continued if i find a AF rack for a decent price.
ya, you are going to definitely need the AF rack. The DCS also needs programmed to the car, I'm guessing VIN and such. And the AF rack is advertised as needing BMW programming or something too. Sounds like Herb figured it out at one time, hopefully you can find the AF rack and Herb took good notes! Keep us posted.

Meanwhile, you should be able to get some sort of comm to the DCS. If that isn't working, no sense in having the AF rack. But once you get all this working, you are going to love active steering.
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the SZL has no codes. and checked in inpa if steering angle sensor was working. ( and with the old DSC connected i can reset/calibrate the steering angle in ista )
AL has 1 code: 00613D AL: Lock: electrical fault ( should check wiring first for this one ? )
SGM/SIM has 91C1 in inpa ( could be set because i had the passenger seat out to get to the AL module, no faults before i had the seat out.) but shows green and no code in ista
changed the VIN in the modules that needed it with tool32, or updated with winkfp and coded it after with ncs.

i searched for part numbers and found this.
the dsc unit i bought, following this site is for production after 9/2005 and the 645 Ci is not listed in the Vehicle applicability.

and this one is for 2003 to 9/2005 and listed for my vehicle in the Vehicle applicability.

they have one laying around with the part number in the last link.( 34516769707-01 ) i could change the unit out and try that one.
Since you are having a "AL has 1 code: 00613D AL: Lock: electrical fault" the wiring could be damaged. The electronic lock is the top wire on the steering rack, located on the Active steering housing. The wire could have been knocked off, or something is locking up the AS lock device. There is a way to reset the lock, but I am floating around the ocean, & don't have all of files on the AS system with me. Pic below of the AS housing & plug.

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Did you run the vin decoder to see if your car was built with AS? The 2004 & 2005 AS system is a 2 year system, so parts from any newer AS will not work.
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