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Today I failed the CA Smog test. My car is a 1995 325 convertible with 130,000 miles on it. It currently runs without any problems. However my daily driver is a Harley and for the last five years or so I have only put about 1000-1250 miles per year on the car. It lives in the garage waiting for a nice day out at the weekend. The result of this is that maintenance stuff like oil changes is recent in terms of mileage but may still have been done longer ago than most people do it. It had (stock) plugs 30,000 miles ago and the Oxygen sensor was replaced once but not by me. It was done 50,000 miles ago. I don't think it has ever had a new cat.

On the advice of the smog test shop I go to, I usually run a tank of gas with a bottle of ""Guaranteed to Pass"" in it before refilling the tank and taking the test. Doing this I passed first time two years ago although it was fairly close. Here are the numbers for today though. I'd be grateful for any advice. And if it helps I can post the numbers for two years ago and answer any questions.

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</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]%C02[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]%02[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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</td> <td style="width:38.75pt;border:none;border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52">
</td> <td colspan="3" style="width:105.5pt;border:none; border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt; mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="141"> [FONT=&quot]CO (%)[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td colspan="3" style="width:105.7pt;border:none; border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt; mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="141"> [FONT=&quot]NO (PPM)[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:.8in;border-top:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; border-left:none;border-bottom:none;border-right:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.0pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="77">
</td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:1;height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <td style="width:44.4pt;border:none;border-left:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="59"> [FONT=&quot]Test[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.7pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]RPM[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]MEAS[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]MEAS[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:32.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]MAX[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.85pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]AVE[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.75pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]MEAS[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.0pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]MAX[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]AVE[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]MEAS[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.1pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]MAX[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]AVE[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:39.0pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]MEAS[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:.8in;border:none;border-right:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:11.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="77"> [FONT=&quot]Results[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:2;height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly"> <td style="width:44.4pt;border:none;border-left:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="59"> [FONT=&quot]15 mph[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.7pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]1266[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]14[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]6[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]5[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:32.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]59[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.85pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]29[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.75pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]231[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.0pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]34[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]08[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]0.46[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.1pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]486[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]131[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:39.0pt;border:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]1138[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:.8in;border:none;border-right:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:11.4pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="77"> [FONT=&quot]Fail[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> </tr> <tr style="mso-yfti-irow:3;mso-yfti-lastrow:yes;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule: exactly"> <td style="width:44.4pt;border-top:none;border-left:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt;border-right:none;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in; height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="59"> [FONT=&quot]25 mph[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.7pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]1380[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]15.3[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:32.9pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]35[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.85pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.75pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]85[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]33[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]0[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot]06[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:38.9pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]0.11[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.1pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="44"> [FONT=&quot]502[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:33.6pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="45"> [FONT=&quot]94[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:39.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="52"> [FONT=&quot]163[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> <td style="width:.8in;border-top:none;border-left:none; border-bottom:solid #1F232B 1.0pt;border-right:solid #1F232B 1.0pt; padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:14.3pt;mso-height-rule:exactly" valign="top" width="77"> [FONT=&quot]Fail[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
</td> </tr> ********></table>
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the high nox indicates a failing cat, but i would also make certain the cat is up to operating temps and all the simple things like carbon buildup on the valves (top engine clean would help).

other things i would consider would be the coolant level and condition, thermostat operation, and vacuum line and intake boot condition.



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I think I had it hot enough. I drove it on the freeway for 20 minutes before the test (although I did end up having to drive around the neighborhood for another twenty minutes when I got to the smog place as he had two customers in line). Would this have let it cool down to the extent of making the cat less effective? Coolant level and thermostat condition should be good as my mechanic had just replaced the thermostat housing. Would a new oxygen sensor be helpful? I was thinking that I would first change the plugs and then if it's doable without special tools, I would change the oxygen sensor.
 

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Would CNC "Guaranteed to pass"qualify? I ran a bottle of that through a tank-full of 91 gas before taking the test? Is sea foam different?
 

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Yes, using Seafoam is different. You use a vaccum line to suck the Seafoam into the running engine. It loosens and removes carbon deposits in the combustion chambers and valve faces. Instructions are on the can.
 

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I failed smog again this week with almost exactly the same numbers as I posted above. But I just remembered that I had one of the Peake tools for reading trouble codes. When I read them, it turns out that I have two: one is for the knock sensor for cylinders 4-6 and the other is for the Mass Air Flow sensor. Can anyone clue me in on what these could indicate in terms of my bad smog test readings? And what I can do about it? I bought a can of MAF cleaner and that will be my first step.
 

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The latest test results are below.These are a month after the ones I posted above and in the interim I changed plugs and oil. I have also run through a tank of gas with a bottle of "Guaranteed to Pass" in it. I thought the numbers would get better but they are marginally worse.

%C02 %02 HC (PPM) CO (%) NO (PPM)
Test RPM MEAS MEAS MAX AVE MEAS MAX AVE MEAS MAX AVE MEAS Results
15 mph 1890 14.5 0.5 85 39 242 0.50 0.07 0.53 695 164 1280 Fail
25 mph 2000 15.2 0.0 50 23 96 0.47 0.06 0.17 717 152 241 Fail
 

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Great news. It just passed. Here's the tale. I finally took it to a new and much more competent place. The first guy where it failed (first test, whose numbers are posted at the top of the thread) ran the test as though it were a four cylinder car, which did not suggest any great expertise. The second (second set of numbers posted above) seemed to think it was OBD2. He didn't seem really sure about the visual stuff and had to keep asking his son how to take stuff off. He told me the day before he was sure it would pass and then when it failed said he didn't want to waste my money by doing any work on it since it was an old car, blah, blah, blah. I now think he just wanted to take $70 off me and then get rid of me. Then I found a guy on Yelp with good reviews (A1 Smog, on Van Nuys Blvd, out in the San Fernando Valley) and went there.

A day previously I had, as mentioned above, taken out and cleaned the MAF because I discovered it had thrown an MAF code. I didn't think it would pass but on the phone, Joe, at A1, had seemed sympathetic and I was also somewhat curious to see if the numbers got any better. Well he had a bunch of clients waiting so I had to hang about for an hour, but he was a very nice guy and anyway I like mechanic's shops. He said that the cat is so far back on these cars that it is hard to get it hot, so he made sure he got it good and hot. First I drove it 25 minutes on the freeway, then he ran it on his dyno machine under load right before doing the test. Anyway, it passed. He suggested I change the O2 sensor and I may get around to doing that if I can borrow the tool to get it off. But woohoo, my car - whose registration and insurance I have been paying pointlessly for the past three months is legally driveable. Of course, as I live in CA and summer's on the way gas prices have already gone well over $4, so I can't actually afford to drive it, but it's nice to know I could. The results are below in case anyone is interested. And I will never be going anywhere but to A1 Smog.


%C02 %02 HC (PPM) CO (%) NO (PPM)
Test RPM MEAS MEAS MAX AVE MEAS MAX AVE MEAS MAX AVE MEAS Results
15 mph 1498 15.8 0.0 85 38 45 0.34 0.07 0.09 695 146 363 Pass
25 mph 1445 15.9 0.0 37 22 19 0.33 0.06 0.2 502 122 138 Pass
 

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If you have a smog issues and do not pass the emision test your best bet is to diagnose from there. I have purchased OBD2 sensors and the cost is a bit pricy.
 
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