G60 still shrouded in secrecy just three months before its release

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PsychDoc1

Discussion Starter · 1 mo ago

The brand new E-class will be introduced to the automotive world on April 25th beating BMW to the punch.

I'll be cross shopping the 2024 5 series and the E-class so I'm eagerly anticipating the introduction of both. Shocked that we're hearing nothing but crickets from BMW re: the new 5 series.

www.bmwblog.com

2024 Mercedes E-Class To Debut On April 25, Before The BMW 5 Series G60

Arriving before the BMW 5 Series Sedan G60, the new Mercedes E-Class Sedan will receive its digital world premiere on April 25.

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markl53

· #2 · 1 mo ago (Edited)

IMO, Mercedes has totally lost their way with exterior and interior designs. There is now almost no external differentiation between a high-end E-Class and a typical base C300, nor an S-Class for that matter. It looks like they all share the same rear lights and basic body design. I recently saw the interior of my cousin's new C300 and was literally shocked by it's cheap look.

EDIT: I just erased another paragraph I had written, I somehow mixed you up with our other forum pal Autoputzer!

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ezaircon4jc

· #3 · 1 mo ago (Edited)

That's one busy dash! I wonder how much all that light reflects off the windshield at night. What's with all those fingerprint-marring touch screens? Talk about distracted driving...

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PsychDoc1

Discussion Starter · #4 · 1 mo ago

My issue with the E-class is the lack of foot room in the front seats. The center console is huge and really limits foot space. By comparison, the 5 series is very spacious in the front footwell area. I don't love the exterior design of the E class but I do like their interiors, even if they tend to be a bit flashy and, at times, cheap looking in their material choices. What I really love about all the MB lines is their seat comfort. Their front seats are, hands down, way more comfortable than the BMW. And that means a lot to me.
A plus for the BMW is the amazing gas mileage you get from that incredible inline 6. I'm getting 27 mpg overall in my current 540xi. The mb, by comparison is a gas hog. Their new inline 6 is good, but not even close to a match for the venerable BMW inline 6 in refinement and gas efficiency.

But I'm going to try and be open minded as I cross-shop these two this summer. I would not ever even consider a 4 cylinder engine in either so the comparison will only be 6 to 6.

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No Brakes 72tii

· #5 · 1 mo ago

Still driving an automatic I take it... No comparison to the six-speed manual.

No Brakes 72tii

· #6 · 1 mo ago

So, not a true BMW enthusiast I take it.

PsychDoc1

Discussion Starter · #7 · 1 mo ago

No Brakes 72tii said:
So, not a true BMW enthusiast I take it.

So in your world only standard shift owners are "BMW enthusiasts?" Pretty limited view, especially now that autos are incredibly efficient and, in almost any tangible way, superior to manuals.

But hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinions.

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FredoinSF

· #8 · 1 mo ago

Dealers may need to clear a bit more of the G30 inventory. I happened to stop by the dealership in Reno to check out an i4 and noticed they had A LOT of G30's on the lot. By a lot I mean at least a half a dozen out front and this is a dealership that historically only has had a couple.

I'm still enthused by my 2018 540ix which now has 34k miles but I do hope that BMW delivers with the G60. I was not impressed with the i4.

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E30 e39 e46 owner

· #9 · 1 mo ago

My ‘98 528 manual and my ‘03 325 manual both average over 28mpg. My ‘89 averages 24mpg.

Every car my wife has bought gets worse mpg and they are all relatively new. Ford eco boost, her ‘17 X3 28i.

The m52 and m20 are criminally underrated for economy in manual trans mode, the m54 too. Turbo N motors and newer are guzzlers, can’t turbo without fuel but the power is no contest.

People drop jaws when I tell them that my 25 year old car gets 30 mpg highway, 600 miles on a tank.

ezaircon4jc

· #10 · 1 mo ago

FredoinSF said:
Dealers may need to clear a bit more of the G30 inventory. I happened to stop by the dealership in Reno to check out an i4 and noticed they had A LOT of G30's on the lot. By a lot I mean at least a half a dozen out front and this is a dealership that historically only has had a couple.

I'm still enthused by my 2018 540ix which now has 34k miles but I do hope that BMW delivers with the G60. I was not impressed with the i4.

I'll bet the majority, if not all, are the 4-cyl models.

E30 e39 e46 owner said:
My ‘98 528 manual and my ‘03 325 manual both average over 28mpg. My ‘89 averages 24mpg.

Every car my wife has bought gets worse mpg and they are all relatively new. Ford eco boost, her ‘17 X3 28i.

The m52 and m20 are criminally underrated for economy in manual trans mode, the m54 too. Turbo N motors and newer are guzzlers, can’t turbo without fuel but the power is no contest.

People drop jaws when I tell them that my 25 year old car gets 30 mpg highway, 600 miles on a tank.

My 2012 535i (N55) got low to mid-30's highway mpg, our 2014 535i (N55) gets solid mid-30's highway and our 2019 540i (B58) has seen 37.4 highway mpg. I guess the that qualifies as a "guzzler"?

Autoputzer

· #11 · 1 mo ago

EcoPro improves the fuel economy on automatic-transmission cars with early upshifts and coasting in neutral. With eight speeds instead of six, the engine's RPM can be maintained in a narrower band.

Engines in the turbocharged produce their maximum torque starting at around 1400 RPM.

Unlike a manual transmission, the torque converter of an automatic transmission amplifies the engine torque. This amplification is proportional to the slip (engine RPM / transmission input shaft RPM) of the torque converter: more slip, more torque.

For a manual, turbocharged BMW to achieve anything near the fuel economy of an automatic, turbocharged BMW, you have to upshift as about 2000 RPM. Go on a track, and an automatic BMW will be faster than the same BMW with a manual transmission.

I've bought seven new passenger cars for my own use. They've all been manuals, three of them BMW's. My second F10 535i was just about the last one made. My car was built on Monday, February 24, 2014. The last one was built on Friday, February 28, 2014. (My first 535i was only around 59 days and 904 miles, having been involved in an unfortunate mishap.)

I'm glad I have a manual 535i. But, a reality is that this car has the most finicky clutch of any car I've ever had or driven. A finicky clutch was not a problem with my Chevy Cobalt, by the way.

My highest MPG for a tank of gasoline in my manual 535i was 30.2. That was "gas pump" (actual) MPG. The displayed MPG was 29.9. That was under ideal conditions: 520 miles of rural, mostly straight surface roads (US 58 from Cumberland Gap (where VA, KY, and TN meet) to Chesapeake, VA), and without the air conditioner on (it was about 20F outside, and my tire pressures were adjusted for that temperature... because I'm The Tire Whisperer).

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FredoinSF

· #12 · 1 mo ago

ezaircon4jc said:
I'll bet the majority, if not all, are the 4-cyl models.

No. Just 1 530. Very nice 550 in the mix. Very nice.

tsbrown

· #13 · 1 mo ago

Autoputzer said:
EcoPro improves the fuel economy on automatic-transmission cars with early upshifts and coasting in neutral. With eight speeds instead of six, the engine's RPM can be maintained in a narrower band.

On my 2019 540i M-sport RWD I get the best gas mileage in Comfort mode, not EcoPro. On a trip last September I ran a test on the rolling hills of I-80 across northern PA, running 30 miles in EcoPro then 30 miles in Comfort, driver+passenger and full trunk of luggage, cruise control was used. The combination of miles driven and remaining range was higher on Comfort, plus it doesn't cut out the A/C to save energy. Max of the combined mileage hit 600 miles but usually settles at about 550 miles. I tried EcoPro once before in city traffic and found it nearly dangerous because of the throttle delay. Now I know it will never get used again in this car.

Goblin

· #14 · 1 mo ago

tsbrown said:
...running 30 miles in EcoPro then 30 miles in Comfort...

Unless you were running the very same stretch under the very same conditions, you can't rely on this test much

And I know these rolling hills.
I agree that the difference in mpg between the two modes is probably minimal enough to not compensate for the annoyance of using eco mode, which is enough to justify your decision.

tsbrown

· #15 · 1 mo ago

Goblinski said:
Unless you were running the very same stretch under the very same conditions, you can't rely on this test much
And I know these rolling hills.
I agree that the difference in mpg between the two modes is probably minimal enough to not compensate for the annoyance of using eco mode, which is enough to justify your decision.

Exactly the same? No. Close enough to consider it the same? Yes. I'm willing to bet in BMW AG's tests in exactly the same conditions you suggest that EcoPro had very minimal difference....EcoPro is more marketing than reality.

Autoputzer

· #16 · 1 mo ago

EcoPro does little in highway driving. Most of the benefit of EcoPro is when accelerating (in a higher gear) and decelerating (coasting in neutral). it takes skill to maximize the benefit from decelerating.

EcoPro also fiddles with the AC performamce. It's f-ing hot on Floriduh, so I disabled that part of EcoPro on the iDrive menu.

Autoputzer

· #17 · 1 mo ago

tsbrown said:
Exactly the same? No. Close enough to consider it the same? Yes. I'm willing to bet in BMW AG's tests in exactly the same conditions you suggest that EcoPro had very minimal difference....EcoPro is more marketing than reality.

The EcoPro instrument cluster shows a calculation of the extra miles you can drive since refueling due to EcoPro. On Frau Putzer's X3 xDrive 30i, it's about 10% of the mileage since refueling. Driving 100 miles in EcoPro "earns" me about 10 miles of free driving.

tsbrown

· #18 · 1 mo ago

We have 2 X3 xdrive 30i’s…a 2018 and 2022. Guarantee they are worse fuel mileage than my 540i, not even close. The purpose of my “test” was real world rather than ideal conditions that rarely exist or drivers with enough discipline to make it work. I’m firmly in the camp that EcoPro is marketing

tsbrown

· #19 · 1 mo ago

All this to say I’m ready for a G60 540i if the G99 M5 touring gets vetoed by the CFO.

Autoputzer

· #20 · 1 mo ago

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I went to a Mexican restaurant 14 miles from Bubba Estates tonight. Frau Putzer's not feeling well, so I picked her up a Royale With Cheese on the way home.

Here's my MPG's in her X3 xDrive 30i using EcoPro. The first one is from Bubba Estates to the restaurant (38.2 MPG). The second one is the restaurant to McDonald's two miles from Bubba Estates (37.3 MPG). It's Floriduh, so I had the AC running.

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I've calibrated the displayed MPG. For the last tank, the "gas pump" MPG was 1.14% higher than the displayed MPG.

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