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Hey guys,

It's been a while since I've posted. Read alot of the sticky's and other posts before asking these questions. Looking to trade in my 16 F15 M Sport for a 19 M Sport G05. Here's a few questions I haven't been able to find answers for yet:

1. Multi-Contour Seats: Are multi contour seats WITHOUT ventilation still available? When you do the BMW BYO configurator, it looks like you automatically get MC seats once you selected merino leather. Do you have to get the Luxury seating package to get the massagers and ventilation? I do NOT want the ventilation, but would love the massagers.

2. Steering wheel - I'm hoping the G05 addressed the steering wheel height and allows for a lower downward-most position than the F15 did. Biggest complaint for me was the steering wheel being so #$%! high in my F15. I actually had (3) F15s - 14 35d, 15 50i, and now 16 xDrive35i.

3. Haven't gone to physically drive or look at the G05 since my dealer doesn't have any on the lot with MC seats right now - according to their online inventory list. MC seats are an absolute must for me due to some issues with my legs and hips - sports injuries.

4. From all the reading, it looks like I should get around 10% off MSRP when combining dealer discount plus stackable rebates. Does the $2000 financing credit apply to leases, or just finance contracts? I would qualify for the loyalty credit and BMW CCA credit (handled outside the dealer I know).

5. Rims/Tires. I see that the 20s are now all-season RFT. The 21's are performance (summer) RFT, and the 22's are summer non-rft. Which will have the longest treadwear rating??? I know that they normally have (2) or (3) different manufacturer's tires on each rim size, but I'd like to know which one will be longest lasting [and potentially last] the life of the lease (12k miles/yr for 36 month lease)

Thanks for any pointers and help - really appreciate it.
 

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Hmm, I believe you posted this on bimmerpost as well, right?:rofl:

Can't blame you, there is much more going on over there..
 

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1. While I suppose all of the holes for the ventilation might be an issue some places, I find that when it's hot out, it really does prevent arriving all soggy.
5. The lower the profile, and especially with a performance tire, you'll tend to find their tread wear factor gets smaller and smaller. It's really hard to say how any tire will last with the variations in driver actions, but a general guideline that is relative, but not absolute, is the Federal treadwear number assigned to any one tire. You'll find the higher the performance and lower the profile from even the same brand and model (but different sizes) the lower the wear factor. A factor of 100 means 100% of the reference tire wear. 200% should last twice as long under similar situations. Most summer performance tires tend to be in the 200 range while a similar all-season tire might be 300-500. Those numbers are molded into all tires sold in the USA.
 

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1. While I suppose all of the holes for the ventilation might be an issue some places, I find that when it's hot out, it really does prevent arriving all soggy.
5. The lower the profile, and especially with a performance tire, you'll tend to find their tread wear factor gets smaller and smaller. It's really hard to say how any tire will last with the variations in driver actions, but a general guideline that is relative, but not absolute, is the Federal treadwear number assigned to any one tire. You'll find the higher the performance and lower the profile from even the same brand and model (but different sizes) the lower the wear factor. A factor of 100 means 100% of the reference tire wear. 200% should last twice as long under similar situations. Most summer performance tires tend to be in the 200 range while a similar all-season tire might be 300-500. Those numbers are molded into all tires sold in the USA.
thanks for the response. the reason for NOT wanting the ventilation in the seats is due to the fact that several people on the F15 forums that have or had the lux seating package complained of how firm and uncomfortable the seats were. I don't think ventilated seats are really worth it anyhow, out of all the luxury vehicles I've owned and currently own, I've only found the current Escalade's to actually help/work well. I realize comfort is subjective, but there were quite a few very unhappy with the MC ventilated. The seats look very similar in the G05 as the F15 with the MC and merino leather, just different seatback design.
On the tires, I am very knowledgeable about the UTQC. What I'm trying to find out is what specific treadwear ratings are given from the factory on the 20, 21, and 22 wheels. I want to select the rim size based upon highest treadwear rating of tires so I don't have to dump $2k with tires, alignment, etc before I turn in on lease end. I have 58K miles on my 16 X5 M Sport 20s and I am needing to soon put on a third set of the Conti RFT and they are not cheap! I don't want to have to dump 2K on tires at time of lease return as they typically need to be just 3/32" to be OK at lease return.
 

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Hmm, I believe you posted this on bimmerpost as well, right?:rofl:

Can't blame you, there is much more going on over there..
HAHA...yep. I've been on both forums for years. Some members don't do both forums so trying to get as much info as possible. Playing catch-up as I haven't really been on the forums for several months [life got in the way!] and now trying to absorb as much knowledge as I can about G05.
 

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FWIW, I have the comfort seats on my GT. Many German cars have what some people call firm seats, and mine fall in that range. I've done some 10-12 hour days in them, and got out without kinks or pain. Your results may not be the same. On leather seats, without that, I've always tended to end up damp, regardless of how high the a/c is cranked.
 

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FWIW, I have the comfort seats on my GT. Many German cars have what some people call firm seats, and mine fall in that range. I've done some 10-12 hour days in them, and got out without kinks or pain. Your results may not be the same. On leather seats, without that, I've always tended to end up damp, regardless of how high the a/c is cranked.
Thanks. My current 16 X5 has the multicontour (Black dakota) without ventilation and find them extremely comfortable. I did sit in an F15 with the lux seating pkg and did notice right away they felt more firm. Interestingly enough, the Mocha Design 15 X5 50i that I had previously had the nappa leather multi contour (without ventilation) and I found the dakota to actually be much more comfortable due to the foam padding difference between the 2. Weird, huh!?
 

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My '18 F15 does not have the multi contour seats and although they are ok. My previous car (535) and my husband's 540 both have them. I do miss them and my next X5 will have them for sure.
 

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There can be a significant difference between initial impression of comfort in any seat, and how it feels after sitting in it for hours. Pressure points aren't good, but a well shaped, firmer seat tends to be more comfortable long-term. Another issue...foam degrades, so you may find one that is softer initially, ends up feeling nasty if you keep your vehicle very long.

Everyone is slightly different. Way back when, I think the most comfortable car I've ever owned was a 1971 Citroen ID19. Those seats just seemed to fit me perfectly.
 

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My '18 F15 does not have the multi contour seats and although they are ok. My previous car (535) and my husband's 540 both have them. I do miss them and my next X5 will have them for sure.

Edited to say that my current F15 has the standard seats and I would have preferred the multi-contour ones.
 

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Hmm, I believe you posted this on bimmerpost as well, right?<img src="http://s1.bimmerfest.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif" border="0" alt="" title="ROFL" class="inlineimg" />

Can't blame you, there is much more going on over there..
I second that! NO ONE seems to respond here. However I can send you pictures showing how low my steering wheel goes if you like. The tires that last the shortest I believe are the P Zero tires that I got on the M Sport Package ~ 16k miles is the lifetime, I believe. I have the 20 position seats if you need me to..

Thanks
 

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Hmm, I believe you posted this on bimmerpost as well, right?


Can't blame you, there is much more going on over there..
I second that! NO ONE seems to respond here. However I can send you pictures showing how low my steering wheel goes if you like. The tires that last the shortest I believe are the P Zero tires that I got on the M Sport Package ~ 16k miles is the lifetime, I believe. I have the 20 position seats if you need me to..

Thanks

ANNNND NO REPLY , or appreciation for my offering
 

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Just to add... the sport seats are far firmer and more uncomfortable for me because of the hip bolsters. So if I order an M-Sport pkg, I'm ordering the luxury seats just to keep from getting the sport seats (which are awful imo... but that's me).
 
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