Holy Flamebait. Wow, I didn't know I'd get such a strong spirited response from you. Listen, as I stated in my previous posts, all I wanted to say is that Zaino is not as expensive as some ppl make it out to be. Also, I have respect for every person here and I'm disappointed that you make me out to be a typical argumentative "Zaino user" while you post a sarcastic argumentative message yourself (am I the zealot here?). If you felt that I came across a bit too strongly in my previous posts, I apologize. I'll try to be more careful in the future.
I'll address each of your points individually, but let's keep this civil and leave the flaming to others (namely, PPL that know Zaino and only Zaino and love nothing but Zaino). Agreed?
unleasHell said:
I have read most all the arguments that have gone on in here and other sites and I will concede that (only from what I have read) Zaino is better (happy now?).
I wasn't trying to argue that Zaino is better than Klasse. You're missing my original point.
unleasHell said:
Zaino users seem to get very agurmentative to prove they are right and that their product is the best, so I will also concede you are right, it is the superior product.
I agree, Zaino users DO get argumentative, but so do ppl from all product lines. I certainly wouldn't want things to get that way between you and me though.
unleasHell said:
Now, is buying 33oz considered "bulk"? Certainly it is twice the size of the basic 16oz size, but at $28, I did not feel I was buying in "bulk" and I made a mistake it is only .85oz, so Zaino is nearly twice the price!
Hmmm, 33oz. Just out of curiousity, how many times a year do you apply Kasse AIO to your car? And also, did you buy the 33oz bottle? I have a 16 ounce bottle that I've been using continuously for over two years and it's still 3/4ths full and I've given away a few 1 ounce samples of it too. Each application on a midsized sedan should only take half an ounce. 33 ounces just doesn't work for me....that's all. I would much rather get 33 ounces of their sealant glaze.
unleasHell said:
Plus the Klasse SG in the same size is $35 (or $1.06/oz).
That's a good deal.
unleasHell said:
What is the size of the Zaino bottle that goes for $1.62/oz? And What other Zaino products do you have to use with it? I suspect that it is much more expesive to use...
8 ounces.
I know I initially compared the price per ounce of Zaino with Klasse. Yes, Klasse is a bit cheaper than Zaino, there's no denying that....but I just don't think that Zaino is very expensive. It does get expensive when you throw ZFX into the mix (excuse the pun), but with ZFX, we're talking about a whole new ballgame. It allows for things that go way above and beyond KSG and unmixed Zaino.
unleasHell said:
Also You say QUOTE " In terms of ease of use, you can't compare AIO with Zaino, b/c one is an abrasive paint cleaner with a little protective ability and the other is a non-abrasive paint protectant. "
That's right and I stand by that statement. Not b/c I think KAIO is much easier to use, but b/c that's honestly how I would categorize those products. In fact, if you really want me to compare the two, I would say that KAIO is only marginally easier to use than Zaino.
unleasHell said:
Huh? I could compare a rock with a can of worms... So I have no idea why that is such a HUGE leap for you... Besides how does the amount of abrasives it has in it relate to "ease of use"? Now if you were comparing the contents, your abrasive comments would fit. But Ease of Use to ME means how EASY it is to apply and take off, right?
I sorta get your drift here.... But I never said that the abrasive content of a product plays a role in its ease of use. In fact, the abrasive content of a product has very little to do with a product's ease of use. Also, I can make a comparison between AIO and Z-2....sure, it's not that great of a leap at all. I'm just saying that AIO (despite what ppl who try to market and sell the product say) is more of a paint-prep type of product and less of a protectant, like KSG or Zaino. It has no prayer of lasting 6 months the way CMA claims it does. I agree with your last sentence...ease of use is ease of use.
unleasHell said:
The fact is Klasse AIO has VERY VERY little abrasives in it, so little that they say you can dillute it and use it as a QD. So little that they say to add it in with your Car Wash. Man you're acting like it's polishing compound (lol).
I know it has very little abrasives in it, but it still has a decent amount. Why don't you re-read my original post. What products do I compare it to?? That's right! PPCL and P21S GEPC....both of which contain a small amount of abrasives. But it still does contain abrasives. Try appying some to a CD (maybe those AOL CD's we all get in the mail), buff it out, and then clean it with Alcohol and tell me what you see. Tada! marring! Why do you think ppl report being able to remove oxidation and restoration of very neglected paint with AIO? This is also one of my original points....it's a very different product than KSG and Z-2.
unleasHell said:
And getting back yo EASE OF USE, I will say again, What is easier than appying AIO (with a semi-wet applicator) and then IMMEDIATELY whipping it off with a Micro fiber towel (before it even dries)????? I can't imagine any wax being easier unless it comes with a bikini model that removes the wax for you...
Well, since you ask, I'll tell you.
Waxes easier to use than AIO (yes, even without the bikini model):
Pinnacle Souveran
Pinnacle Paste Glaze
Pinnacle Creme Glaze
P21S Carnauba (or S100 Carnauba)
TOL Trade Secret
Waxes just as easy to use as AIO:
Blackfire
Liquid Souveran
Polishes easier to use than AIO:
P21S GEPC
PPCL
Every single one of these products I've just listed are also like AIO in the sense that there is no dry-time. Just apply and immediately buff out.
Don't get me wrong, Klasse is an excellent product line and I've been using it for years and plan to continue using it indefinitely. I'm not trying to argue for product XYZ and against product ABC the way you seem to think I am. I 'm a fan of both Klasse AND Zaino. Do a search on some of the posts I've done about Klasse and you might agree. I just feel that products like PPCL and P21S GEPC are more suitable comparisons with AIO. And although Zaino is a little more expensive than Klasse, I don't think that the cost is prohibitive at all when compared to most other boutique detailing products.