C-Bear said:I've run extensive searches, visited sites, and read about Zaino (sounds like a lot of work), Zymol ($$$), Klasse, Griot's, etc., 'till it's coming out my ears - and I still feel no closer to a satisfying decision.
Any advice on a top-quality detailing system (for both the exterior an interior of my car) that isn't going to cost a fortune or take unreasonable amount of time to apply alone?
Zaino is not very expensive compared to the Klasse twins.unleasHell said:Zaino is very expensive (as I recall, never bought it) but you can get a sample kit of Klass for under $16 including shipping here:
I wasn't trying to argue that Zaino is better than Klasse. You're missing my original point.unleasHell said:I have read most all the arguments that have gone on in here and other sites and I will concede that (only from what I have read) Zaino is better (happy now?).
I agree, Zaino users DO get argumentative, but so do ppl from all product lines. I certainly wouldn't want things to get that way between you and me though.unleasHell said:Zaino users seem to get very agurmentative to prove they are right and that their product is the best, so I will also concede you are right, it is the superior product.
Hmmm, 33oz. Just out of curiousity, how many times a year do you apply Kasse AIO to your car? And also, did you buy the 33oz bottle? I have a 16 ounce bottle that I've been using continuously for over two years and it's still 3/4ths full and I've given away a few 1 ounce samples of it too. Each application on a midsized sedan should only take half an ounce. 33 ounces just doesn't work for me....that's all. I would much rather get 33 ounces of their sealant glaze.unleasHell said:Now, is buying 33oz considered "bulk"? Certainly it is twice the size of the basic 16oz size, but at $28, I did not feel I was buying in "bulk" and I made a mistake it is only .85oz, so Zaino is nearly twice the price!
That's a good deal.unleasHell said:Plus the Klasse SG in the same size is $35 (or $1.06/oz).
8 ounces.unleasHell said:What is the size of the Zaino bottle that goes for $1.62/oz? And What other Zaino products do you have to use with it? I suspect that it is much more expesive to use...
That's right and I stand by that statement. Not b/c I think KAIO is much easier to use, but b/c that's honestly how I would categorize those products. In fact, if you really want me to compare the two, I would say that KAIO is only marginally easier to use than Zaino.unleasHell said:Also You say QUOTE " In terms of ease of use, you can't compare AIO with Zaino, b/c one is an abrasive paint cleaner with a little protective ability and the other is a non-abrasive paint protectant. "
I sorta get your drift here.... But I never said that the abrasive content of a product plays a role in its ease of use. In fact, the abrasive content of a product has very little to do with a product's ease of use. Also, I can make a comparison between AIO and Z-2....sure, it's not that great of a leap at all. I'm just saying that AIO (despite what ppl who try to market and sell the product say) is more of a paint-prep type of product and less of a protectant, like KSG or Zaino. It has no prayer of lasting 6 months the way CMA claims it does. I agree with your last sentence...ease of use is ease of use.unleasHell said:Huh? I could compare a rock with a can of worms... So I have no idea why that is such a HUGE leap for you... Besides how does the amount of abrasives it has in it relate to "ease of use"? Now if you were comparing the contents, your abrasive comments would fit. But Ease of Use to ME means how EASY it is to apply and take off, right?
I know it has very little abrasives in it, but it still has a decent amount. Why don't you re-read my original post. What products do I compare it to?? That's right! PPCL and P21S GEPC....both of which contain a small amount of abrasives. But it still does contain abrasives. Try appying some to a CD (maybe those AOL CD's we all get in the mail), buff it out, and then clean it with Alcohol and tell me what you see. Tada! marring! Why do you think ppl report being able to remove oxidation and restoration of very neglected paint with AIO? This is also one of my original points....it's a very different product than KSG and Z-2.unleasHell said:The fact is Klasse AIO has VERY VERY little abrasives in it, so little that they say you can dillute it and use it as a QD. So little that they say to add it in with your Car Wash. Man you're acting like it's polishing compound (lol).
Well, since you ask, I'll tell you.unleasHell said:And getting back yo EASE OF USE, I will say again, What is easier than appying AIO (with a semi-wet applicator) and then IMMEDIATELY whipping it off with a Micro fiber towel (before it even dries)????? I can't imagine any wax being easier unless it comes with a bikini model that removes the wax for you...