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Lutz kicks ass.

The Holden Monaro coupe is going to be imported into the US as a Pontiac GTO starting in the 2004 model year. Drivetrain will be RWD, with a 5.7L V8 and a six speed manual (!). No word on prices yet.

My first GM? Perhaps.

Automotive News article


Here's the Monaro website. Colors, interiors should be the same for the GTO, according to GM. The engine makes 300 hp in Aussie trim, and the car weighs about 3600 lbs.

Holden Monaro
 

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Kaz said:
I'd like to know what Holden quality is like. Who knows, it could be just as reliable as a real Pontiac. :rolleyes:
What's the worst that could happen? DMEs that shut down e-throttles, leaving you stranded? Faulty thermostats? Band end-stage resistors? Cooling fans that short and cause the cars to burn?

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Let me see if I've got this straight--you're all getting jizzed up over some stupid GM throw-back to the 70's era of Detroit muscle cars, but yet none of you want to give the new G35 the time of day?

I wonder what the weight distribution of this new POS from Australia will be...?
The simplest answer is probably this: I'm from Detroit. I grew up driving Mustangs. Bavarian driving machines aside, there's nothing like an SBF or SBC when it comes to motivating power. The American pony cars have become so archaic, though, that they're impossible to live with, even for a V8 freak like me (and the Corvette's two seats limit its appeal).

A European chassis (OK, it's an Opel, but still), modern suspension architecture, modern interior, a non-boy racer design, room for four, 6 speeds, *and* a Small Block Chevy? For 30K?

Where do I sign, and do you think I should put a deposit down now?
 

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Here's what I wrote about the HSV GTS and the Commodore coupe on rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang almost exactly three years ago (isn't Google cool?). I am happy to eat this crow.



I'm a died in the wool Ford guy, but I vow right now that if GM imports the HSV GTS, I will sleep outside my local Chevrolet dealer for three weeks to be first on the waiting list. I actually like the way it looks, and the Catera is just un-GM enough that 300+ hp and a 6 speed manual would vault it right to the top of my Christmas list, ahead of the M3 that's been there for the past three years.

I am so serious about this that it makes me want to puke. ARE YOU LISTENING, GM?

I'm a little less excited about the Commodore coupe, only because I've always preferred 4 doors to 2 (and see absolutely no reason to ruin a perfectly good sedan by making it into a coupe). However, the coupe is very nicely styled, blending a lot of classic coupe elements together to produce a very clean result. Putting the LS1 in that car would finally be giving the engine the chassis it has always deserved, and a thoroughly modern, IRS chassis with those looks and the LS1 engine might finally put the Camaro back in the sales hunt with the Mustang. Put simply, GM's management would have to be utterly incompetent, bumbling,
slathering, mouth-breathing idiots to forgo the chance to sell that car here.

Oh, wait a minute...

Damn, I guess we'll never see it. I guess we'll just have to happy with the Monte Carlo, or some other variation of the FWD/3800 theme, which all also make me want to puke, but not in the good way described above.
 

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hts said:
From today's (3-28-02) USAT:

GM already has high-performance coupes - Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird - but those sell poorly and are being discontinued. Lutz said there are "no short- or medium-term plans to bring either of those cars back."

Australian cars have fared poorly in U.S. quality surveys, and automakers have mostly abandoned the idea of selling Aussie buggies in the USA. An exception is the U.S. version of the Mitsubishi Diamante, which is built in Australia. In the latest J.D. Power and Associates initial quality study, the Diamante had 179 problems per 100 vehicles, worse than the industry average of 147 per 100.

think you had problems with bad auxiliary fans? you ain't seen nuthin' yet...

maybe your local pontiac dealer will be happy to throw another shrimp on the barbie for you while you're dropping off your silly holden for the umteenth time...oh, and i'll bet the re-sale on those little "Aussie buggies" is pretty swell too.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/mear.htm
That's the kind of hard-hitting insight I've come to expect from USA Today. "Mostly abandoned" the idea of selling Australian cars? When did carmakers ever really give this serious consideration? The only recent example of an American automaker selling an Australian built car in the US that I can think of was the Mercury Capri convertible. That car was decidedly not a success, but it had a lot more to do with the underlying product than with anything about it being from Australia.

The Australian automotive market in many ways resembles the American one. Big, RWD cars with big engines are very popular, and have evolved in ways that US RWD cars (which were caught in sort of an evolutionary dead-end by CAFE and downsizing) never did. Now, the American market has substituted trucks for cars, but that doesn't mean that one of the modern Australian RWD V8 vehicles wouldn't do very well up here. I imagine that it's *exactly* what a large sector of the American public would want in a car.

I can't wait.
 
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