How do I find 2011 50i with Adaptive Drive & M Sport?

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sarends

Discussion Starter · Aug 26, 2012

I am looking to buy a 2011 X5 Xdrive50i with Adaptive Drive & the M Sport package. It is my understanding that Adaptive Drive came with the ZMP M Sport Package? I am looking at a "2011 E70 Order Guide" and it says the following:

ZMP M Sport Package
2NY 20" wheels performance tires (style 333M)
2VA Adaptive Drive
337 M Sport Package
3MA Roof rails aluminum
508 Park Distance Control
710 M steering wheel
7M5 M exterior parts in body color

Does this mean that if you bought either the:
X5 xDrive35i Sport Activity
or the
X5 xDrive50i

and you ordered the ZMP M Sport Package, that it came with Adaptive Drive?

I realize that other models (eg. X5 xDrive35d) could be ordered with the Adaptive Drive option as a separate item too.

But my main question is whether the ZMP M Sport Package automatically included Adaptive Drive?

Thanks, Steve

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ND40oz

· #21 · Aug 28, 2012

sarends said:
I think this is hard to figure out definitively after having researched, read on the forums and after talking to my dealer friend (who says the suspensions are the same between the Sports Activity Package and the M Sport Package).

Following the 2011 model year, they dropped adaptive drive from the packages and it became a standalone priority 1 option at $3500. So if you're looking at the newer models, options are different then if you're looking at a 2011.

Suspensions for the 2012+ 35i Sport Activity and ZMP without standalone adaptive drive aren't the same, the 35i gets the sport suspension delete on the SAV version until you add ZMP which adds the sport suspension.

On the 2012+ 50i, you get the rear air suspension with ZMP, I'm not sure how that affects the front suspension though.

Adding adaptive drive on top of ZMP does give you a discount for AD on both the 35i (only $3150) and 50i (only $2650). I would assume this is because it costs them less to go from the rear air suspension or the sport suspension to adaptive drive, but you know what they say about assuming.

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335i

· #22 · Aug 28, 2012

ND40oz said:
Following the 2011 model year, they dropped adaptive drive from the packages and it became a standalone priority 1 option at $3500. So if you're looking at the newer models, options are different then if you're looking at a 2011.

Suspensions for the 2012+ 35i Sport Activity and ZMP without standalone adaptive drive aren't the same, the 35i gets the sport suspension delete on the SAV version until you add ZMP which adds the sport suspension.

On the 2012+ 50i, you get the rear air suspension with ZMP, I'm not sure how that affects the front suspension though.

Adding adaptive drive on top of ZMP does give you a discount for AD on both the 35i (only $3150) and 50i (only $2650). I would assume this is because it costs them less to go from the rear air suspension or the sport suspension to adaptive drive, but you know what they say about assuming.

Anytime you add 3rd row seats, you get self leveling suspension.. so unless they do a "self-leveling sport suspension", I see part of the "sport" suspension being deleted. Might just be me.

ayu910 said:
On the build sheet no mention of "sport suspension" but "Adaptive Drive" for the M Sport Pack. As I understdnard, this inlcude Active Roll Stabilzation and Dynamic Dapering Contorl which you already know. Plus there is the "sport" button below the transmission selector. As I understand sport suspension is non adaptive. I don't think the 3rd row lose the "sport supsension calbiration", might be just different calbiraiton than the non 3rd row springs/shock build. Hope this help.

On the build sheet, there is no mention of sport suspension for the 50i available (M-Sport or not). For the 35i SPORT, there is a specific line for sport suspension, and it is denoted that it is available with M-Sport. For the 50i, you can get self leveling suspension with the 50i, but again, no mention of the sport suspension.

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ayu910

· #23 · Aug 28, 2012 (Edited)

335i said:
Anytime you add 3rd row seats, you get self leveling suspension.. so unless they do a "self-leveling sport suspension", I see part of the "sport" suspension being deleted. Might just be me.

I see where you are coming from.

My thought is this, some physical "sport" sups component got eplaced due to 3rd row but I think result of "sportiness" should be the same. If X5M come stock with air self-leveling then there would be no reason for BMW not to impelment sport supsension calbiration for similar setup on X5 with Adpative Drive plus air sups (due to 3rd row).

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Rosmoss

· #24 · Aug 28, 2012

The X6 50i (at least in Canada) comes with sport suspension and self leveling.

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335i

· #25 · Aug 28, 2012 (Edited)

ayu910 said:
335i said:

Anytime you add 3rd row seats, you get self leveling suspension.. so unless they do a "self-leveling sport suspension", I see part of the "sport" suspension being deleted. Might just be me.

I see where you are coming from.

My thought is this, some physical "sport" sups component got eplaced due to 3rd row but I think result of "sportiness" should be the same. If X5M come stock with air self-leveling then there would be no reason for BMW not to impelment sport supsension calbiration for similar setup on X5 with Adpative Drive plus air sups (due to 3rd row).

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Went and checked the front and rear suspension components from the parts diagrams on getbmwparts.com. There are different springs and struts for Adaptive Drive and 3rd row seats, AD/sport suspension, and AD/self leveling suspension (and similar for non AD/non sport, non AD/3rd row, BUT there is an option for non AD/ sport suspension/3rd row and non AD/ no sport, self leveling AND non AD/sport/self leveling.

Rear suspension for the X5M was different than 35i, 35d, or 50i.

Appears if you have AD, you either get 3rd row suspension, self leveling, or sport. WITHOUT AD, you can have no sport, 3rd row/sport, 3rd row/non sport/self leveling, or sport/self leveling.

For the front suspension, looks like there is the option of "W/ M" and "W/O M". the 35i and 35d both have "W/O M" and the 50i and X5M have "W/ M".

Again, clear as mud.

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Rickm5X3

· #26 · Aug 28, 2012

335i said:
ayu910 said:

Went and checked the front and rear suspension components from the parts diagrams on getbmwparts.com. There are different springs and struts for Adaptive Drive and 3rd row seats, AD/sport suspension, and AD/self leveling suspension (and similar for non AD/non sport, non AD/3rd row, BUT there is an option for non AD/ sport suspension/3rd row and non AD/ no sport, self leveling AND non AD/sport/self leveling.

Rear suspension for the X5M was different than 35i, 35d, or 50i.

Appears if you have AD, you either get 3rd row suspension, self leveling, or sport. WITHOUT AD, you can have no sport, 3rd row/sport, 3rd row/non sport/self leveling, or sport/self leveling.

For the front suspension, looks like there is the option of "W/ M" and "W/O M". the 35i and 35d both have "W/O M" and the 50i and X5M have "W/ M".

Again, clear as mud.

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Nice work. Damn this is confusing. Almost need a flow chart to map this out. Maybe if I find a couple hours with a few beers. Seems like I should further rationalize a CPO X5M so I can be sure to have my sport suspension and adaptive. But wait, no third row available with that choice!

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ard

· #27 · Aug 29, 2012

^^ I was thinking this...that looking at the parts diagrams is an unequivocal way of knowing what was changed... but, as you discovered, it will make your head explode.

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ND40oz

· #28 · Aug 29, 2012

Yeah, looking through realoem it looks like if you have the rear air suspension, it's completely independent of any of the other suspension settings, so they have different air bags for the regular, sport and adaptive drive options:

For vehicles with Self-levelling suspension S220A=Yes
Important: Never lower vehicle with air discharged from air-suspension bellows!
01 Pneumatic spring, rear 2 37126790079
Note Repair Manual
For vehicles with

Sports suspension settings
Important: Never lower vehicle with air discharged from air-suspension bellows!
S226A=Yes
01 Pneumatic spring, rear 2 37126790080 $220.29
Note Repair Manual
For vehicles with

Chassis & suspens. setup"Adaptive Drive"
Important: Never lower vehicle with air discharged from air-suspension bellows!
S2VAA=Yes
01 Pneumatic spring, rear 2 37126790078 $220.29
Note Repair Manual

The thing is, I don't think there's anyway to get the sport suspension on the 50i in the US, you either get the choice of the normal suspension, sport suspension delete (ZAP) or self leveling (ZMP) and it looks like with the self leveling system the dampers differ depending on if you get the 3rd row or not as well. Different part number if you have just the self leveling then if you have self leveling and the 3rd row. I could be missing where you can order option 226, but as far as I can tell, you can't.

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ayu910

· #29 · Aug 29, 2012 (Edited)

335i said:
ayu910 said:

Went and checked the front and rear suspension components from the parts diagrams on getbmwparts.com. There are different springs and struts for Adaptive Drive and 3rd row seats, AD/sport suspension, and AD/self leveling suspension (and similar for non AD/non sport, non AD/3rd row, BUT there is an option for non AD/ sport suspension/3rd row and non AD/ no sport, self leveling AND non AD/sport/self leveling.

Rear suspension for the X5M was different than 35i, 35d, or 50i.

Appears if you have AD, you either get 3rd row suspension, self leveling, or sport. WITHOUT AD, you can have no sport, 3rd row/sport, 3rd row/non sport/self leveling, or sport/self leveling.

For the front suspension, looks like there is the option of "W/ M" and "W/O M". the 35i and 35d both have "W/O M" and the 50i and X5M have "W/ M".

Again, clear as mud.

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Thanks for looking up, very confusing indeed. But it appear BMW got all different combination covered to deliver at best intent.

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Rickm5X3

· #30 · Aug 29, 2012

By the way Sarends, welcome to the E70 board. Granted this thread had adaptive drive content to begin with, but you'll find we can turn almost any thread into an AD discussion. Or even better, AD mixed with a diesel fuel efficiency discussion. You're lucky your buying decision was not sidetracked with a 35d discussion (although it would have been a super choice, especially if you like punchy low end torque). Anyway, you won't fine much obsessive discussions on which oil to use and rod bearings like the M5board, but we are apt to dive into the confounding nuances of X5 suspension choices (and lack thereof).

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sarends

Discussion Starter · #31 · Aug 29, 2012 (Edited)

Rickm5x3, thanks - glad to be here - seems like a good forum!

I like diesels - my DD is a 2012 Ford F250 Super Duty with 6.7 Liter Turbo Diesel - she is a torque monster!

I did test drive 35D - very nice. If an M50D had been available here, that would have been the X for me!

I can't wait for the road trip this Thursday to pickup the X - should be allot of fun! I was amazed at how fun the 11 M sport 35i was that I test drove that had Adaptive Drive - I hope the 50I I am buying will be as fun as the 35i was - I test drove one 50i before that was not Adaptive Drive and I loved the motor but immediately missed the handling that I experienced with the 35i with AD. I am a little worried about the extra 375 lbs added by the 50I over the 35I.

I will report back here my first impressions after getting the new X back to Colorado!

PS - I see that you too had an 02 M5! I had an 02 Imola M5 - she was the best car I have owned to date!

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Rickm5X3

· #32 · Aug 29, 2012

sarends said:
I will report back here my first impressions after getting the new X back to Colorado!

PS - I see that you too had an 02 M5! I had an 02 Imola M5 - she was the best car I have owned to date!

Good stuff. Yeah, I miss the E39 and toy with the idea of picking up a low mileage example again to start the journey over. But reality is that a 50i or used X5M to replace my 04 4.4i is the better plan for me.

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