Nick325xiT 5spd said:Almost certainly yes.
Just like almost all other BMWs.
Don't hold your breath (and no I haven't bothered to open that link.)
rumratt said:Is the problem that the Z3 (and BMW's in general) are truely placed in the wrong SCCA classes, or is it just that there will always be over and underdogs and the BMW's happen to get the short end of the stick.
WileECoyote said:rum, think about it - in the CCA autocrosses, are 2.3 Z3s in the same class as M Roadsters? Nope. They are in the SCCA events.
·clyde· said:Speak for your own CCA chapter...each one is different. Even so, a marque specific club usually has the flexability to have much finer granularity since the vast majority of participation would be expected to be cars of that marque.
The SCCA doesn't have that luxury.
WileECoyote said:True, they don't, but the should actually readjust based on scoring. The real problem is that the SP classes are too broad in what's allowed, so basically, if you go to an SP class, you really have to do everything to your car that's allowed, and that's a lotta bucks. Most BMWs also don't fit into the Street Touring classes, unless you autocross in an M BMW, it's not worth it.
Hell, a few years ago I autocrossed an e46 328i and I was classed in BS with Miatas. WTF is up with that???
NJ CCA Chapter uses the Boston Chapter's classifications. They set up a points system for all Beemers (I know, that's what I prefer to use), and then there are additions for each mod. From there, the score is tallied and it determines your class. Non Beemers use SCCA ratings, and all of 'em are Paxed for the winner.
Of course, it requires people to be honest about their mods, but our chapter is friendly enough that it's never really a problem (except for that e30 with the M motor last year )
·clyde· said:Most (all?) 3ers can be run in STX. The E30 M3 can run in STX. The E36 M3 can run in STU.
2) If you don't want to be serious, don't sweat the small sh:t. If you're not serious about making an effort to do well against the best drivers that are driving the best cars in class, why worry about classing at all? Driver skill is going to be the determining factor 99% of the time.
WileECoyote said:That's just it. We've sorta come full circle here - I chose the cars I own because I like them and afterward I chose to autocross. I gave up on the SCCA system because it unfairly classifies Z3s, and up until recently, the 3 series cars. Even then, all the ST classes aren't universal to all SCCA chapters - in the past, some have not chosen to run them all. I gave up on the SCCA because of what I believe is a classification system. I sthere are a lot of people who gave up for the same reasons, rather than fight the system.
I have to disagree with you about that 99% number. I'd say it's more 70/30. In cars equipped similarly, I'd agree, but not when the classifications are so out of whack as to make it impossible unless you're totally committed to it mentally and, more importantly, finalcially. A somewhat modded 2.8 Z3 just won't cut it against a modded Rx-7 or kit-car Cobra. They're not in the same league. An M roadster or Coupe might be, but not a regular Z3.
Hell, I won ASP one year, but that was only because I attended almost twice as many events as anyone else in the field. I ran a bunch of events by myself in ASP, but as soon as others attended, I got whupped heavily.
·clyde· said:When were the 3ers unfairly classed? The non-M E46 has been in D Stock since the Stock reorganization for 2002 and started to do quite well once someone made a serious effort at campagning one.
Razorbak said:What pisses me off more is that I can't seem to get any track time in my local area because of the requirement for a true roll bar on my M Roadster. Unfortunately, my understanding is that I have to forego using my convertible top if I install a true roll bar.
Maybe my information is wrong, but the last time I looked into it, that's what I was told. :dunno:
Does anyone know a good way around these issues?
Nick325xiT 5spd said:Yeah.
Buy a car that isn't incredibly dangerous to use on the track.
For some reason some of the clubs around here allow unprepared 'verts on the track. I feel really bad for instructors who have to deal with yahoos in those cars.
Razorbak said:I have a hardtop already, and I'd love to put a rollbar in my roadster, but I'd like to maintain the functionality of the top. Do you know of any available rollbar kits that will allow that option?
Nick325xiT 5spd said:Have you called Kirk Racing, and Autopower?
After that, try contacting the various race shops. TC Kline, Road Race Tech, Bimmerworld, etc.
A removable hard top is not particularly safe. If you rollover, it can still come off relatively easily.