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We've all heard horror stories about jags and their unreliability. But some people say the same thing about BMWs and now that I own one and have loved every min of it I wonder if what you hear about jags is true. So, anyone want to share their story about their jag? Are all the horror stories true?

I'm considering an x-type. Seems like a nice little car at a reasonable price.
 

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I consider them to be like Volvo - Ford quality at luxury car prices. Someone is bound to come in here and rip me a new poop chute for saying that, but a lot of Jag parts are Ford parts, particularly the engines.

It uses the Ford CD132 chassis, shared with the Euro-market 2000 Ford Mondeo (think slightly bigger then an Escort). The engine is a slightly different version of the Duratec 2.5 and 3.0, which proved fairly reliable in Escorts and Taurus'.

I remember reading reviews of them in Germany and they were criticized for sharing platforms with the Mondeo and Freelander, but if I remember correctly, less then 25% of the parts were Ford-sourced. Whether that's good or bad is up to you... But sharing engines and transmissions among sub-brands was regular practice at Ford at the time.

Nothing interested me in Jags so I would not go for one, but if it's your thing....

I did like the S Type R though... :D


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Just sold my S-Type and it was solid up to about 100K, then began costing alot from Tranny issues, heater core, Head gasket, window regulators... stuff like that. I liked it alot and stuff wears out- that's the way it goes, but what made it my first and last was resale value. Pay a luxury price of $40K new and the book price on it now is about equal to the same year Taurus. It was a glorified Ford Taurus! Fortunately I bought it in 2008 so i didn't eat that full loss. :)
Here's a pic- just sold it 2 months ago and came back to BMW. :thumbup:

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If I had the money and was in the market for an executive sedan, the Jag XF would probably be my top pick. The new XJ is also very nice as well. Not sure I'd get a used X-type though, that wasn't particularly well-built and is essentially a Ford Mondeo.
 

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I would never touch an X-Type...there is nothing about that car that makes it worth the risk...plenty of other options at that price point in the used market that will not give you such heartaches and will be a much better ride.
 

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I would never touch an X-Type...there is nothing about that car that makes it worth the risk...plenty of other options at that price point in the used market that will not give you such heartaches and will be a much better ride.
This was my sentiment as well, but I kept it to myself.

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I consider them to be like Volvo - Ford quality at luxury car prices. Someone is bound to come in here and rip me a new poop chute for saying that, but a lot of Jag parts are Ford parts, particularly the engines.

It uses the Ford CD132 chassis, shared with the Euro-market 2000 Ford Mondeo (think slightly bigger then an Escort). The engine is a slightly different version of the Duratec 2.5 and 3.0, which proved fairly reliable in Escorts and Taurus'.

I remember reading reviews of them in Germany and they were criticized for sharing platforms with the Mondeo and Freelander, but if I remember correctly, less then 25% of the parts were Ford-sourced. Whether that's good or bad is up to you... But sharing engines and transmissions among sub-brands was regular practice at Ford at the time.

Nothing interested me in Jags so I would not go for one, but if it's your thing....
Does any of this apply to anything but the X type?
 

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Does any of this apply to anything but the X type?
The S Type used the Ford Thunderbird/Lincoln LS platform (Jaguar/Ford DEW Platform). Engines were - surprise - Ford sourced and included 2.5, 3.0, and 4.0 engines, also found in Escorts, Taurus', and Rangers respectively. A 4.2 was in the S Type R, a theoretical competitor to M5s, S6/RS6, and E55s, though all it did was help one of the other three not place last in most comparisons. Transmissions were either Ford sourced (5 speed auto) or ZF-sourced (6sp auto) and featured a much-criticized "J-Gate". People talked about J-Gate like they talk about iDrive. S Types ran with 5/E/A6 models but was never a serious competitor.

XJs had a very old school designed and featured the same 3.0, 3.5, 4.2 engines. Bodies were aluminum and the shells weighed as much as a Mini Coopers. All 2004-2008 had a 6 speed automatic

The 2nd generations featured mostly 6 cylinder engines until they could redesign the V12 to fit in the engine. Tried (key word there) to compete with 7s, but only won comparisons in British mags. Ford eventually got rid of the 2.9L and put the 4.0 in it. In 1994 it got a standard passenger side airbag which eliminated the glove box.

The XJ is what people associate Jags with - style, price, and reliability. The XJs rode on carry-over platforms from the Flintstone era.

All 4 speed autos were GM sourced (ironic?).

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With all due respect, that is ancient history in automotive terms. S type? The old XJ? C'mon...

I guess the OP asked about an X type, so that is relevant. But I guess as a general thread on Jaguars, what's really relevant to buyers today would be the new XF, new XJ, etc. etc. I don't even like the new XJ, but let's at least evaluate Jaguar for what it's producing these days
 

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Well, the OP asked about an older Jag and someone asked if the same history applied to other models too. Current models are made by Tata Motors in India, I think we are best not knowing what's in those now ;)


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Well, the OP asked about an older Jag and someone asked if the same history applied to other models too. Current models are made by Tata Motors in India, I think we are best not knowing what's in those now ;)

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Why not? Hundreds of thousands of people own BMWs built in the USA, South Africa, Malaysia etc. or outsourced to 3rd party companies such as Magna Steyr. Every single car co is building cars in China or planning to. Soon they'll be thinking about India the same way.
 

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Why not? Hundreds of thousands of people own BMWs built in the USA, South Africa, Malaysia etc. or outsourced to 3rd party companies such as Magna Steyr. Every single car co is building cars in China or planning to. Soon they'll be thinking about India the same way.
Magna Steyr is world-renown for their 4WD manufacturing, including building all non-US model WJ Grand Cherokees. BMW factories are maintained to company specs and standards.

Tata motors is world renown for building the cheapest street legal cars in the world.

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I think Jags generally fall into two categories ... pre and post Ford.

You had better have deep pockets if you are considering any pre-Ford Jag by B/L. Even well maintained examples are expensive to run and maintain. I buy British parts at pretty much wholesale and Jag stuff is still pricey. Good luck finding a shop that's willing to work on it. And heaven help you if you have a 5.3 V12. Complete nightmare to maintain and repair. Lovely engine though. I looked at a 6.0l XJ12 last year. Guy wanted $1500 for it and it only had about 90k miles on it. It needed an ignition module and coil packs, and some suspension work. I would have been in it for about 5k to get it to pass inspection and that was using used parts. Bought a older Mercedes instead for slightly more.

The more modern Ford based stuff is about as reliable as a BMW of the same era. Jury is still out on the Tata stuff for me.
 

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If we are talking new Jags, then that is a different story. I would certainly look hard at the XF and XK...the back half of the XJ kills it for me...
 

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Well. I don't think I'm leaving BMW anytime soon. By considering an x-type I meant maybe if I wanted to downsize from a 7(bc of gas and the fact that it's maintenance cost are for a car that was 80grand new) I might consider the jag with a 5 or 3. The reason they caught my attention was bc they are so cheap for what year and milage you can find. But I'm already having second thoughts before even going to see one. So for now I'm sticking with Bimmer and don't plan on buying anything other than one :)
 

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Current models are made by Tata Motors in India, I think we are best not knowing what's in those now ;)
The XF was designed and built in the UK, Tata just owns them.

If I was in the big luxury sedan market, it's probably what I'd buy, the car is gorgeous.
 

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Nothing at all wrong with a modern Jag. Good looking, fast, great handling and often much, much lighter than anything comparable from Germany due to the materials and advanced construction techniques. Great interiors too.
 

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Current models are made by Tata Motors in India, I think we are best not knowing what's in those now ;)
Tata bought Jaguar-LandRover from Ford as an investment.
Current Jaguars are built in Birmingham England. Current Jaguars are designed in England.

http://www.jaguar.com/gl/en/#/experience/visits/factory_visits

The new cars are not from the Flintsone era or on Ford platforms. The engines are a shared design with Ford. I'm not sure who owns the UK plant that builds the engines for Jaguar. 385 or 500HP from a 5.0L V8. Depending on what criteria you use to judge a car, they can come out higher rated than what BMW is building today.



 

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The reason they caught my attention was bc they are so cheap for what year and milage you can find.
Well there's a reason for that. As others have pointed out the X-type is the previous generation Mondeo with a nicer interior. There are better options if you are looking to save on fuel. 325i would be a good one.

The current gen. Ford Mondeo is not a bad car and not sold in the US. Much improved over the old one that Ford used for the X-Type. Its a reasonable choice if you want a sedan at Ford prices. Not something that competes with a 5 series though.
 

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I remember a year ago on Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson explained on the news segment:

"Now news from India. Tata, as you know, Indian carmaker, has a large car division. They've got a new car out, here it is: the new Jaguar XJ........" :rofl:
 
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