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A couple of interesting things:

1. Damn, my car's value is plummeting. This is the first car I've owned (rather than leased) in about ten years, and I have to say being a car owner is kind of like being a Nortel shareholder: You cringe every time you open the paper. :mad:

2. The salesman I bought my first BMW from is selling his 1991 M3 (I recognize the name and phone no.) Looks nice, and I still really want one of those, but he wants 15K for it, and that's hard to justify for an eleven year old car (especially in light of 1, above).:cry:

3. ALEX325, is that your letter? :confused:
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I got my Roundel a few days ago and had not had time to look at it. Your post made me dig it up and give it a quick skim.

To address your observations:

1. Ouch! While potential resale value did not enter in to my decision to purchase what I did, I am surprised at how well the M3 sedans are holding their value. Remember, though, you have no intentions of selling it and, hence don't care. And by the time you do get around to selling it, the depreciation will have totally leveled off.

2. That's what excellent condition E30 M3s are going for. Remember, to purists, they were the only real //Motorsport M3s ever built.

3. I suspect that's our Alex. I think he gets off on being a contrarian. (I understand the joy in riling up strangers by posting views completely opposite of what they likely hold.) But there's just no way he could honestly be that excited about that design. Sure, some folks don't hate it and let their BMW loyalty confuse them into thinking they actually like it, but NO ONE legitimately is THAT enthusiastic about it except maybe Bangle and Hooy-D.

Granted his letter and his posts do not, themselves, highlight the different demographic background he comes from compared to most everyone else in society and in the CCA. Most people don't come by money as easily and, hence, have to make actual value judgments. With unlimited funds, I could appreciate the novelty of the E65, kind of like buying into trendy fashions or hairstyles. But I'm not in a position to buy into any of the above. And neither are most people, including most wealthy people.

Fortunately, a lone, looney voice doesn't carry much weight. After the older Alexes of the world get done buying their E65s, we'll see what happens. The other E65-related letters far more accurately convey the long-time BMW enthusiast perspective on the E65.

But he's getting off on yanking our chains. I'm sure he yanked a number of new chains with that letter.
of interest to me: 27 e36m3s for sale.

it's very tempting to move back to an e36m3 and part my stuff over to that sort of car......and prices are plummeting.
There was a really sweet E36 M3/4 in last months Roundel. I was going to look at it, but I called my insurance company and it was going to raise my premium too much. :bawling:
TD said:

3. I suspect that's our Alex.
I seriously doubt that is Alex, wrong town and wrong last name.
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Sean said:
There was a really sweet E36 M3/4 in last months Roundel. I was going to look at it, but I called my insurance company and it was going to raise my premium too much. :bawling:
Grrr... We all told you at the time to shop around on insurance. My rates went DOWN going from a 330i SP SEDAN to the M3/4. You have a 330Ci COUPE. If mine went down, yours should surely go down. Our demographics are VERY similar. (Hell, I'm, what, 10 DAYS older than you? Both of us are married with one child. This should be comparable.)

Don't give up!!! ;)
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Mike 325xi said:


I seriously doubt that is Alex, wrong town and wrong last name.
You mean THERE'S TWO OF THEM?!

j/k
TD said:


Grrr... We all told you at the time to shop around on insurance. My rates went DOWN going from a 330i SP SEDAN to the M3/4. You have a 330Ci COUPE. If mine went down, yours should surely go down. Our demographics are VERY similar. (Hell, I'm, what, 10 DAYS older than you? Both of us are married with one child. This should be comparable.)

Don't give up!!! ;)
I know, I know, but the guy really wanted too much for the car anyways ($33,500). At that price he isn't losing to much money on a car that will be 5 years old in 8 months (from purchase date). I never went to look at it. Probably gone by now and to be honest it's the only car I've had interest in giving up my 330Ci for. There's not to much out there that drives me crazy other than a CooperS and that's a whole different breed of a car.
TD said:
3. I suspect that's our Alex. I think he gets off on being a contrarian. (I understand the joy in riling up strangers by posting views completely opposite of what they likely hold.) But there's just no way he could honestly be that excited about that design. Sure, some folks don't hate it and let their BMW loyalty confuse them into thinking they actually like it, but NO ONE legitimately is THAT enthusiastic about it except maybe Bangle and Hooy-D.

Granted his letter and his posts do not, themselves, highlight the different demographic background he comes from compared to most everyone else in society and in the CCA. Most people don't come by money as easily and, hence, have to make actual value judgments. With unlimited funds, I could appreciate the novelty of the E65, kind of like buying into trendy fashions or hairstyles. But I'm not in a position to buy into any of the above. And neither are most people, including most wealthy people.

Fortunately, a lone, looney voice doesn't carry much weight. After the older Alexes of the world get done buying their E65s, we'll see what happens. The other E65-related letters far more accurately convey the long-time BMW enthusiast perspective on the E65.

But he's getting off on yanking our chains. I'm sure he yanked a number of new chains with that letter.
Oh, come on! Why are you trying to imply these things about Alex? You are saying that he has no judgement and likes it because he has money :tsk:

It is funny that I have NEVER spoken to anyone in person that wasn't impressed by the E65, including enthusiasts, former CCA chapter presidents, and many other people not associated with the marque. The only place that I have seen as much E65 anger is on messageboards. There are MANY people that like the car. Yesterday, I was an independent BMW shop, the far and away best one in the region. The owner has been a long time enthusiast and has been chaper president and still participates in the club. We talked on various subjects for 2 hours yesterday while my car was getting inspected and brake work. One topic was the E65, I asked if he had driven it. Guess what? He liked it and was very impressed with the car. The sometimes rediculous views that you expel are not reflective of the club or the general public.

On a side note, there was a rusted to hell 3.0CS sitting outside that needed 50K in restoration. Gawd, if I had money....:cry:
A stock E30 M3 is very rare. Most have been altered for track use, or just plain abused but unknowing owners who put Sears mufflers on them and cheap tires.

If you find a clean, stock car with OEM parts, it could warrant $15,000. A good condition car is about $10-13,000 here, while a beater is about $7,500. For comparision, the same year clean E30 325i is about $5,000.

I am one of those who feels the E30 M3 is one of the last true streetable racecars that BMW made.... they are a blast to drive!
Emission said:
A stock E30 M3 is very rare. Most have been altered for track use, or just plain abused but unknowing owners who put Sears mufflers on them and cheap tires.

If you find a clean, stock car with OEM parts, it could warrant $15,000. A good condition car is about $10-13,000 here, while a beater is about $7,500. For comparision, the same year clean E30 325i is about $5,000.

I am one of those who feels the E30 M3 is one of the last true streetable racecars that BMW made.... they are a blast to drive!
I had asked a while ago in a post about that gorgeous red E30 M3 which I saw on your website, but you've probably missed it.

Was/is that your car ?
Emission said:
A stock E30 M3 is very rare. Most have been altered for track use, or just plain abused but unknowing owners who put Sears mufflers on them and cheap tires.

If you find a clean, stock car with OEM parts, it could warrant $15,000. A good condition car is about $10-13,000 here, while a beater is about $7,500. For comparision, the same year clean E30 325i is about $5,000.

I am one of those who feels the E30 M3 is one of the last true streetable racecars that BMW made.... they are a blast to drive!
Are you missing your E46 330i yet? I still haven't sealed the deal on mine.
JST said:
A couple of interesting things:

3. ALEX325, is that your letter? :confused:
Have NO idea what you're talking about. I've been spending weeks on the road and have just gotten my Roundel. Hopefully I'll have some time to read it next week.

Edit:

Based on what I read above, I can only assume somebody else on the planet likes the E65 too. I really don't see anything wrong with that. I saw a post from you some time ago praising the Marauder (Marauder (UGH!) Praise - that's really all the marketplace needs - a Grand Marquis on steroids :tsk: - WTG Ford). See, people have different tastes. That's all.
TD said:
I got my Roundel a few days ago and had not had time to look at it. Your post made me dig it up and give it a quick skim.

To address your observations:

3. I suspect that's our Alex. I think he gets off on being a contrarian. (I understand the joy in riling up strangers by posting views completely opposite of what they likely hold.) But there's just no way he could honestly be that excited about that design. Sure, some folks don't hate it and let their BMW loyalty confuse them into thinking they actually like it, but NO ONE legitimately is THAT enthusiastic about it except maybe Bangle and Hooy-D.

Granted his letter and his posts do not, themselves, highlight the different demographic background he comes from compared to most everyone else in society and in the CCA. Most people don't come by money as easily and, hence, have to make actual value judgments. With unlimited funds, I could appreciate the novelty of the E65, kind of like buying into trendy fashions or hairstyles. But I'm not in a position to buy into any of the above. And neither are most people, including most wealthy people.

Fortunately, a lone, looney voice doesn't carry much weight. After the older Alexes of the world get done buying their E65s, we'll see what happens. The other E65-related letters far more accurately convey the long-time BMW enthusiast perspective on the E65.

But he's getting off on yanking our chains. I'm sure he yanked a number of new chains with that letter.
Like I said in my previous reply, I have JUST gotten my Roundel and haven't had time to read it yet. So, I have NO idea what you guys are talking about. One thing is for sure though: the letter in question is NOT mine.

No, I don't "get off" on being a contrarian. Besides, contrarian to whom? Example: how many people do you know dumped an E46 in favor of an E36? I only know a couple. Does that mean you and JST get off on being contrarians? Maybe, but I couldn't care less. I guess what I'm trying to say is: I simply voice my opinion. I don't have to agree with anybody.

Also, I've said countless times I REALLY don't care about looks. I've never said the new 7 is THE MOST beautiful car on the road either. I LIKE what the CAR offers. I LIKE it as a whole. It DRIVES better than its competitors and better than its predecessor. To me, THAT'S what counts.

If looks/design were everything, BMW wouldn't have sold ONE Z3/M Coupe...

PS: You seem to have people all figured out TD. Trust me, things are not that simple. There's a bunch of things WAY beyond you. And just for the record, I HAVE TO WORK VERY HARD TO BUY CARS AND EVERYTHING ELSE I HAVE. So, my taste has NOTHING to do with demographic background or "coming by money easily".
Well, I got my Roundel sometime earlier this week, and if this month is anything like the past 6 or 8 (or whatever), it'll end up in the circular file (along with Money magazine, Conde Nasty, sic, and every other rag we subscribe to around here).

In any event, getting back to the original topic, I wonder if my new G35 6-speed, 6CD in-dash, LSD, and 280-ish hp, will hold its resale as well as my 330i.

:p
hts said:
Well, I got my Roundel sometime earlier this week, and if this month is anything like the past 6 or 8 (or whatever), it'll end up in the circular file (along with Money magazine, Conde Nasty, sic, and every other rag we subscribe to around here).

In any event, getting back to the original topic, I wonder if my new G35 6-speed, 6CD in-dash, LSD, and 280-ish hp, will hold its resale as well as my 330i.

:p
Yeah, my Roundel has been in the trash for 3-days. As for the G35... I think it is queer, don't buy it, keep your 330i for a while longer. :rolleyes:

CD-55
Alex, clean out your PM box :)
I have to agree with Nate . . . every person who brings up the new 7 to me either likes it or loves it.

These are your public people who are not as obsessed with BMW's like us nut cases that spend everyday here at this board . . .

AND YES we are the minority !!!


Also, just for the record I like the E65 and I bet most will love it by the year 2003 when they get used to it
hts said:
In any event, getting back to the original topic, I wonder if my new G35 6-speed, 6CD in-dash, LSD, and 280-ish hp, will hold its resale as well as my 330i.

:p
LOL, so I guess your still in love . . . good choice !!!
Alan F said:


LOL, so I guess your still in love . . . good choice !!!
Hell, I dunno. I had to run out to the drug store at 11:30pm last night (we ran out of Infant Motrin and my son's fever returned) and had a blast with my 330i. Some times I really LOVE it, and some days it's like, ho-hum, it's just a car.

I've had it for almost a year now and have 6,1xx miles on it. I'm sure I'll keep it until this Fall for sure, when we'll take a good look at the RX-8 and G35 6-speed. Who the heck knows?
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